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Title: ATF change on the Jaag!
Post by: JamesV6CDX on 12 December 2012, 13:11:54
Hi Guys,

I want to change my ATF on the Jag.

I thought I got lucky when I saw the drain plug on the sump ;D But I can't find a filler anywhere  ::)

Anyone know about these things? I must say, the Jag forum's are not a patch on this one :y
Title: Re: ATF change on the Jaag!
Post by: Andy B on 12 December 2012, 13:13:36
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Anyone know about these things?  .....

I take it then, the Jag also lacks a dip stick  :-\
Title: Re: ATF change on the Jaag!
Post by: JamesV6CDX on 12 December 2012, 13:14:37
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Anyone know about these things?  .....

I take it then, the Jag also lacks a dip stick  :-\

Yep!

Jag forum's say it's "sealed for life"

More like.. "sealed until life is over (due to lack of ATF servicing!)"

I was kinda hoping I could drain, and refill via dipstick tube... no such luck!
Title: Re: ATF change on the Jaag!
Post by: Gaffers on 12 December 2012, 14:01:59
Mine has a dipstick which comes out in to the engine bay by the rocker cover.
Title: Re: ATF change on the Jaag!
Post by: JamesV6CDX on 12 December 2012, 14:14:31
gottit

"At the 2 o clock point on the rear of the transmission, there is an inspection/filler point for use by Jaguar Service Technicians only"

That'll be the badger, then!!

Title: Re: ATF change on the Jaag!
Post by: tunnie on 12 December 2012, 14:32:55
Mine has a dipstick which comes out in to the engine bay by the rocker cover.

I'm liking the sound of those old Jags even more  ;D
Title: Re: ATF change on the Jaag!
Post by: Gaffers on 12 December 2012, 14:37:44
Mine has a dipstick which comes out in to the engine bay by the rocker cover.

I'm liking the sound of those old Jags even more  ;D

That's why I got an AJ16 as old as I could find.  Once Ford got their hands on the XJ they f***ed it up
Title: Re: ATF change on the Jaag!
Post by: tunnie on 12 December 2012, 15:08:19
Mine has a dipstick which comes out in to the engine bay by the rocker cover.

I'm liking the sound of those old Jags even more  ;D

That's why I got an AJ16 as old as I could find.  Once Ford got their hands on the XJ they f***ed it up

Ford ones are V8 I guess?  :(
Title: Re: ATF change on the Jaag!
Post by: JamesV6CDX on 12 December 2012, 15:11:08
Mine is a 2001 3.0 V6, and that's a ford in disguise ;D

The block itself is ford, though many of the ancils etc are Jag specific.

Thankfully rear wheel drive, though :y
Title: Re: ATF change on the Jaag!
Post by: TheBoy on 12 December 2012, 18:10:10
The Ford Jags are money pits.

If you are unlucky enough to have one with a Ford Autobox, sell it before the "Gearbox Fault" comes up on instrument panel. Be quick!
Title: Re: ATF change on the Jaag!
Post by: serek on 12 December 2012, 18:57:16
The Ford Jags are money pits.

If you are unlucky enough to have one with a Ford Autobox, sell it before the "Gearbox Fault" comes up on instrument panel. Be quick!
agree
lucky if you ger 100K with out problems
I hade few of S type with gearbox issue , 2 of those where need replace solenoid
Title: Re: ATF change on the Jaag!
Post by: serek on 12 December 2012, 18:59:57
Hi Guys,

I want to change my ATF on the Jag.

I thought I got lucky when I saw the drain plug on the sump ;D But I can't find a filler anywhere  ::)

Anyone know about these things? I must say, the Jag forum's are not a patch on this one :y
have look on dirve side near exhausts there 8mm torx bolt
for level check oil temp need to be 35-40 C
Title: Re: ATF change on the Jaag!
Post by: 2woody on 12 December 2012, 19:02:13
sorry guys, but X300 was the first Ford Jaguar

Is yours a six-cylinder XJR Guffer ? in that case, it will have a GM autobox. (4L80E - the big brother to the Omega's 4L30E )
Title: Re: ATF change on the Jaag!
Post by: BazaJT on 12 December 2012, 19:04:43
Any XJ  from[I think]1997 onwards,that is with a V engine as opposed to the straight six has a "sealed for life"gearbox.The ATF change can be done but is more of a specialist job as the new fluid has to be put in under certain temperature conditions as well as anything else.I believe this costs quite a lot even at a Jaguar Independant place.Jaguar warranties[if applicable]will be voided by having the ATF changed,but the JEC recommend that is done.This is one of the reasons I opted for my old faithful straight six X300.
Title: Re: ATF change on the Jaag!
Post by: 2woody on 12 December 2012, 19:09:25
the X308 ( ie the V8 ) XJR had a Mercedes gearbox......
Title: Re: ATF change on the Jaag!
Post by: Marks DTM Calib on 12 December 2012, 19:49:04
the X308 ( ie the V8 ) XJR had a Mercedes gearbox......

Christ, which one as that could be worse!
Title: Re: ATF change on the Jaag!
Post by: henryd on 12 December 2012, 22:44:53
the X308 ( ie the V8 ) XJR had a Mercedes gearbox......

Christ, which one as that could be worse!

Was thinking similar although most of the Merc issues were down to Valeo rads/cooler failure were'nt they ???
Title: Re: ATF change on the Jaag!
Post by: Gaffers on 13 December 2012, 08:33:20
sorry guys, but X300 was the first Ford Jaguar

Is yours a six-cylinder XJR Guffer ? in that case, it will have a GM autobox. (4L80E - the big brother to the Omega's 4L30E )

Aye it is, and if that's the case then that explains why it seems to operate similar to the miggy one.  It seems to work very well though, esp when leaving (even fairly new) BMWs behind  ;D
Title: Re: ATF change on the Jaag!
Post by: Marks DTM Calib on 13 December 2012, 09:03:58
the X308 ( ie the V8 ) XJR had a Mercedes gearbox......

Christ, which one as that could be worse!

Was thinking similar although most of the Merc issues were down to Valeo rads/cooler failure were'nt they ???

Sadly not, the ones I see (mostly on the C class but guessing any with the 4 pot's) are down to worn bands and clutches. They start with occasional rough changes and pausing but get progressively worse.....normaly from 60-80K miles onwards
Title: Re: ATF change on the Jaag!
Post by: 05omegav6 on 13 December 2012, 15:19:14
Nothing to do with Merc switching their ATF service intervals from 40k to 'Sealed For Life' then ::)

The single reason that old Mercs were indestructible (as long as they were kept dry) was the rigorous maintainance schedules. :y
Title: Re: ATF change on the Jaag!
Post by: BazaJT on 13 December 2012, 18:51:12
Front wheel bearings from 1997[X308] onwards are also "sealed for life" as they are of the cassette type and non adjustable/repairable type,need proper gear to change them apparently, and I've seen prices over £300 quid a side to change them!!"
Title: Re: ATF change on the Jaag!
Post by: Manual Elite V6 on 14 December 2012, 23:54:13
Fill plug will either be on O/S of gearbox not too easy to see or at the back accessible above the rear mount.
Title: Re: ATF change on the Jaag!
Post by: Manual Elite V6 on 14 December 2012, 23:56:06
the X308 ( ie the V8 ) XJR had a Mercedes gearbox......

Christ, which one as that could be worse!

Not sure which merc the box if off but the early shape XKR's used the same box and we rarely see any issues with this box at my garage.
Title: Re: ATF change on the Jaag!
Post by: 2woody on 15 December 2012, 19:35:29
I think the car is an X300 isn't it ?