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Chat Area => General Discussion Area => Topic started by: JamesV6CDX on 15 January 2013, 19:04:44
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Starting salary reduced from 23,500 to 19,000 for new recruits with no previous experience.
Specials or PCSO's who are later accepted as full time PCs will start on 22k.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-21027176
Existing serving plod are not affected and remain on the old payscales - however can take longer to get to the top of their scale.
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They are reducing numbers of boots on the ground by 20% in my Force area and it is the older more experienced men (those with 20yrs + pension entitlement) going first! This is just another nail in the coffin for 'proper' Policing in the name of reducing budgets. Say what you will about the Police (and i've said my share) but they are an essential Service we all call on when the chit hits the fan and we all lose if they are not supported by both Government and us the Public at large.
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I think its disgusting they should be paying them more not less not a job I would/could do they deserve every penny and more IMO :y :y
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I think its disgusting they should be paying them more not less not a job I would/could do they deserve every penny and more IMO :y :y
Only the ones who can actually do the job ;)
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The police force is like any other organisation. There are good coppers, bad coppers and downright useless coppers. The trouble with the present government's policies is that it will turn all coppers into apathetic coppers.
Police? Policies? Have to look into the connection between those two words.
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I learnt today that there will be 7 pay scales instead of the existing 10, and it will mean pay rises will transpire at a quicker rate with £36K PA for the best PC's.
The Police Union seem to accept all this.
I agree though, the bobby on the beat deserves every penny they can earn. 8) 8) 8) 8)
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Please note, this applies only to England and Wales.
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Starting salary reduced from 23,500 to 19,000 for new recruits with no previous experience.
Specials or PCSO's who are later accepted as full time PCs will start on 22k.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-21027176
Existing serving plod are not affected and remain on the old payscales - however can take longer to get to the top of their scale.
Can`t see anything wrong with that figure. Very good for a "raw" employee IMO
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Agreed.Sounds sensible imo. :y
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My nephew is a serving copper in the the north yorkshire force and has gained the rank of detective sargent.
Without going into too much detail he is helping to put away kiddie fidlers.
He has told me that the entire force is so low on moral that 60% are almost at the point of jacking it in, because the force and many others are so pre occupied with leauge tables and budget cuts that it undermines what they are trying to do.
They get no back up from the polticians and the the goverment, and are made to look the bad guys at every turn when they start kicking up a fuss.
Pay is not always the be all and end all of the subject but the job is everything to 99% of the boys in blue.
I for one could not do that job as i would kick the crap out of every scum bag out there and end up in jail no better than them, the police nick em and the courts slap there wrists and send them back out to re offend
Eventually the coppers dont bother to nick em as they will be on the streets before they have finished the reams of paper work they have to do.
Gary
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Doubt if there`s many employers would pay £19K for a "green behind the ears" new starter
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Starting salary reduced from 23,500 to 19,000 for new recruits with no previous experience.
Specials or PCSO's who are later accepted as full time PCs will start on 22k.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-21027176
Existing serving plod are not affected and remain on the old payscales - however can take longer to get to the top of their scale.
Can`t see anything wrong with that figure. Very good for a "raw" employee IMO
no and that is what being,anyone WITHOUT police experience is being paid £19,000 pa....which is good money...anyone WITH police experience be it PCSO,TRAFFIC WARDEN.OR SECURITY GUARD you will be starting on £ 22,000
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Starting salary reduced from 23,500 to 19,000 for new recruits with no previous experience.
Specials or PCSO's who are later accepted as full time PCs will start on 22k.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-21027176
Existing serving plod are not affected and remain on the old payscales - however can take longer to get to the top of their scale.
Can`t see anything wrong with that figure. Very good for a "raw" employee IMO
no and that is what being,anyone WITHOUT police experience is being paid £19,000 pa....which is good money...anyone WITH police experience be it PCSO,TRAFFIC WARDEN.OR SECURITY GUARD you will be starting on £ 22,000
Maybe I am the only one to think it, or out of touch maybe, but 19k does not sound like a great deal of money to me.
Maybe in some lower cost areas of the country, but not everywhere.
Furthermore, other employers, who may not be willing to pay "green behind the ears" employees this much money, may also not be subjecting their employees to such dangers and anti-social working conditions - i.e. dealing with criminals, drunks, RTAs, violence, insulting behaviour, etc etc etc.
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Starting salary reduced from 23,500 to 19,000 for new recruits with no previous experience.
Specials or PCSO's who are later accepted as full time PCs will start on 22k.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-21027176
Existing serving plod are not affected and remain on the old payscales - however can take longer to get to the top of their scale.
Can`t see anything wrong with that figure. Very good for a "raw" employee IMO
no and that is what being,anyone WITHOUT police experience is being paid £19,000 pa....which is good money...anyone WITH police experience be it PCSO,TRAFFIC WARDEN.OR SECURITY GUARD you will be starting on £ 22,000
Maybe I am the only one to think it, or out of touch maybe, but 19k does not sound like a great deal of money to me.
Maybe in some lower cost areas of the country, but not everywhere.
Furthermore, other employers, who may not be willing to pay "green behind the ears" employees this much money, may also not be subjecting their employees to such dangers and anti-social working conditions - i.e. dealing with criminals, drunks, RTAs, violence, insulting behaviour, etc etc etc.
I don't think it's a bad starting wage.
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I agree with OOMV6. You can't say to a murderer you've just confronted "Don't shoot, I've only just started in the job". The risks are just the same. Ask the families of the two young women constables who went to attend a 'domestic' in Manchester recently.
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True,but unfortunately the people at the top of the service combined with the increasingly militant and arrogant
union federation representing the lower ranks have done so much damage to the relationship with the people they are supposed to be serving,there is at least as much negative as positive in peoples minds these days.
When we have reached the point where fed reps and their members can succesfully conspire in a totally corrupt fashion to destroy the career of an elected politician,then the service/force is in deep trouble and needs to change a hell of a lot to regain the respect of the public.
Disbanding/outlawing the federation would be a good start imo.Its is what Thatcher used to refer to as "the enemy within".
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Starting salary reduced from 23,500 to 19,000 for new recruits with no previous experience.
Specials or PCSO's who are later accepted as full time PCs will start on 22k.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-21027176
Existing serving plod are not affected and remain on the old payscales - however can take longer to get to the top of their scale.
Can`t see anything wrong with that figure. Very good for a "raw" employee IMO
no and that is what being,anyone WITHOUT police experience is being paid £19,000 pa....which is good money...anyone WITH police experience be it PCSO,TRAFFIC WARDEN.OR SECURITY GUARD you will be starting on £ 22,000
Not trying to be pedantic by any means whatsoever (honestly) but, Security guards don't have "police experience" by any stretch. From what I have read - I don't think the new proposals would include traffic wardens or security guards. Traffic wardens (or civil enforcement officers as they are now called!) I think are mostly employed by councils. Security guard is not an occupation associated with policing, and security guards from outside organisations certainly wouldn't qualify (Security guards and the office of constable are totally incompatible in most circs). The only possible exception MIGHT be reliance custody suite staff - but I can't find any refence to this in what's available online.
I'm pretty sure it's just specials and PSCOs that qualify.
For the record - from what I've read (which is all I know) - I don't entirely disagree with the proposals. But I also see STMO's point.
Intersting debate :y :y
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thats not what that may person was pratleing on about earlier and i myself dont see how a security guard as police experience but that is what she said,also there is no other job that pays a living allowance as well and that is another £ 500 per month and no other service gets that...cant say ALL forces pay it but i know for a fact the MET and KENT do
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19K is a very good starting wage for a green new starter.
Its not like the Police force struggle to attract people either so a good move I say.