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Chat Area => General Discussion Area => Topic started by: plym ian on 08 February 2013, 00:41:17
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not just a trace of horse meat but a whole load :o
http://m.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-21375594
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I think we should just accept that any ready meal is not what it claims to be. ;D ;D ;D
I buy my meat from know sources at local butchers or farmers markets. :y :y :y
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Geez.....I thought this was a sex topic ;D ;D ;D
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RULE NUMBER 1 - Never trust the French
RULE NUMBER 2 - If in doubt refer to Rule number 1
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Horses for coarses :D :D :D :D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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I don't eat ready meals but if I did and it was horse in them and i'd paid for beef I wouldn't be very happy ::)
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RULE NUMBER 1 - Never trust the French
RULE NUMBER 2 - If in doubt refer to Rule number 1
;D ;D
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Never did like lasagne myself , always thought they tasted funny :( I know someone who eats them often and wont be very pleased about the clip clop meat content :( Sound like its basically cat meat :-\
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What do people expect? The product is very cheap. Clearly no ethics involved. Innefectual food testing.
There was a programme on the other day showing "end of life" horses being butchered not in accordance with rules. A horse charity was trying to buy them to preserve their lives, traders were buying them to knowing flog them into the food chain. Just what else is getting in unknown? Terrorist charter? There is a concern Bute gets into humans.
Now a practical question. I have been advised by Findus to retrun the product I bought for a refund. Will they also pay my travel expenses? ;D ;D
PS Avoid any food containing a product called filler......................
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I had to jump the car this morning. :(
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I had to jump the car this morning. :(
What? On a horse? :o
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Nay.
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Nay.
Seriously? More battery / charging issues?
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I won the race to work though. :)
Cleared the speed bumps, no problem.
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What do people expect? The product is very cheap. Clearly no ethics involved. Innefectual food testing.
There was a programme on the other day showing "end of life" horses being butchered not in accordance with rules. A horse charity was trying to buy them to preserve their lives, traders were buying them to knowing flog them into the food chain. Just what else is getting in unknown? Terrorist charter? There is a concern Bute gets into humans.
Now a practical question. I have been advised by Findus to retrun the product I bought for a refund. Will they also pay my travel expenses? ;D ;D
PS Avoid any food containing a product called filler......................
Exactly.. With supermarkets turning the thumb screws ever tighter manufacturers will do whatever they can get away with to preserve some sort of margin on the products they produce. Clearly, until very recently, they have been able to get away with putting anything that can loosely be defined as "meat", as in a bit chopped off an animal, or swept up off the floor of an abattoir, into a product described as beef.
If you care what you're eating, support your local butcher instead. :y
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Meat is meat. As we all remember, years ago it was cats and dogs in the fridge at the local chinese. We're all still here.
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Meat is meat. As we all remember, years ago it was cats and dogs in the fridge at the local chinese. We're all still here.
you first ;D bon apetit ;D ;D ;D :y
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I don't eat ready meals but if I did and it was horse in them and i'd paid for beef I wouldn't be very happy ::)
Nor me Pete, as I cook all my meals using fresh ingredients that I know are spot on. :y
No, I would not be very happy to pay beef prices and then find out it is something else!
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I don't eat ready meals but if I did and it was horse in them and i'd paid for beef I wouldn't be very happy ::)
neither do I .. In job I always eat what my wife prepares for me :)
only one drawback.. today when I start eating my breakfast sandwich, I was watching Supras..
Eating continously I finished my lunch also ;D ;D ;D :'(
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I'd pay extra for horse lasagne .. ;D
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Ever thought what goes into hot dogs ::) Whatever it be it tastes lovely :P ;D ;D
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Ever thought what goes into hot dogs ::) Whatever it be it tastes lovely :P ;D ;D
as the name implies ;D ;D ;D :y
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I've had a horse burger in Slovenia, the problem is horse meat is very, very similar in taste to beef. But it lacks the grease, it's actually better taste I found.
Lucky I never have cheap ready meals, for the very reason of knowing exactly what goes into my meals.
Love my slow cooker, just chuck all kinds in, usually comes out great! :)
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Because "most" horsemeat comes from ex-working animals the meat is usually very lean and healthy. Can be a bit tough if not cooked slowly. Has an excellent taste.
Kangaroo meat is very similar, lean and tasty as the animals are "active"
Modern beef is fatty and tasteless (unless you buy high quality stuff), as it comes from "factory farmed" animals who do very little in the way of exercise/movement and are simply stuffed with all sorts of rubbish to put on bulk
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Very true :(
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There is concern around a drug given to horses - known as bute (phenylbutazone) - which is dangerous if taken by humans :(
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There is concern around a drug given to horses - known as bute (phenylbutazone) - which is dangerous if taken by humans :(
Exactly. That's the concern, IMHO. It's one thing having the wrong type of meat in a packet, but what if that meat wasn't even reared for human consumption? >:(
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Does it really matter?
OK, I accept that all ingredients should be specified, but the frenzy around this is going much further than that. Lets face it, if you're happy to eat beef, you're unlikely to have a violent allergy to Shegar.
Kevin Wood paints a valid picture about the meat not being fit for human consumption, however, if there are corners being cut, the chances are you would get beef thats not fit for human consumption... ...and lets be honest, you'd be pretty retarded to believe that any processed food was actually any good for you. We all know its made up of the bits you don't want to know....
Not much news again, and some easy, low hanging fruit for our useless media.
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Meat is meat. As we all remember, years ago it was cats and dogs in the fridge at the local chinese. We're all still here.
STMO you have obviously eaten at the chinese about 2 miles from here....when the enviromental health done a spot check about 9 years ago they found 2 german shepards hanging in the deep frezzers....enjoy your wun tuns ???
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My Dad said that after WW2 finished a butchers shop opened up in the local town selling "Horse Meat- unfit for human consumption". It did a roaring trade for human consumption. The difference being you could at least see what you were buying.
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Mmmm all that btz.
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Well that saves a trip to the doctors. Every time I've eaten a Findus Lasagne, my throat felt a little horse afterwards. ::) :o ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Meat is meat. As we all remember, years ago it was cats and dogs in the fridge at the local chinese. We're all still here.
STMO you have obviously eaten at the chinese about 2 miles from here....when the enviromental health done a spot check about 9 years ago they found 2 german shepards hanging in the deep frezzers....enjoy your wun tuns ???
When I was a teenager, my local chippy was done for pissing in the fryers.
3 or 4 years later, a curry house I used to frequent was done "spitting" in the pans... ...always wondered wh their curry was so creamy ::)
"spitting" was not saliva :o
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When I was in the army nick in Colchester there was a cook in there. He was a fat, horrible bastard and he got lots of abuse from the squaddies he was cooking for. I'm not gonna tell you how he got his revenge.
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Meat is meat. As we all remember, years ago it was cats and dogs in the fridge at the local chinese. We're all still here.
STMO you have obviously eaten at the chinese about 2 miles from here....when the enviromental health done a spot check about 9 years ago they found 2 german shepards hanging in the deep frezzers....enjoy your wun tuns ???
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Chinese in my old town was shut down for catching head chef cutting his toenails over the food :(
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Its not the horsemeat as such, its the lack of traceability, how do you know dobbin wasnt on anitbiotics or painkillers?
british scourced meat should be tracable back to the farm and individual animal.
as said if supermarkets push the prices down, suppliers will buy from dodgy sources.
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Ant and Dec were spotted recently in a local supermarket. Its believed they were stocking up for next years bush tucker trials.
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What do people expect? The product is very cheap. Clearly no ethics involved. Innefectual food testing.
There was a programme on the other day showing "end of life" horses being butchered not in accordance with rules. A horse charity was trying to buy them to preserve their lives, traders were buying them to knowing flog them into the food chain. Just what else is getting in unknown? Terrorist charter? There is a concern Bute gets into humans.
Now a practical question. I have been advised by Findus to retrun the product I bought for a refund. Will they also pay my travel expenses? ;D ;D
PS Avoid any food containing a product called filler......................
Exactly.. With supermarkets turning the thumb screws ever tighter manufacturers will do whatever they can get away with to preserve some sort of margin on the products they produce. Clearly, until very recently, they have been able to get away with putting anything that can loosely be defined as "meat", as in a bit chopped off an animal, or swept up off the floor of an abattoir, into a product described as beef.
If you care what you're eating, support your local butcher instead. :y
Spot on :y
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New range announced by supermarket " My LIDL Pony" ;D ;D
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There is concern around a drug given to horses - known as bute (phenylbutazone) - which is dangerous if taken by humans :(
....is it likely to cause a dose of the trots? ::)
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There is concern around a drug given to horses - known as bute (phenylbutazone) - which is dangerous if taken by humans :(
....is it likely to cause a dose of the trots? ::)
Good to see you back Debs :y
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Meat is meat. As we all remember, years ago it was cats and dogs in the fridge at the local chinese. We're all still here.
STMO you have obviously eaten at the chinese about 2 miles from here....when the enviromental health done a spot check about 9 years ago they found 2 german shepards hanging in the deep frezzers....enjoy your wun tuns ???
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Chinese in my old town was shut down for catching head chef cutting his toenails over the food :(
That brings back memories of the Chinese near where I lived in Evington. Ordered meal, went to collect it. The door from the waiting area opened accidentally. There was the spitting image of Budha stripped to the waist, sweating profusely stirring this enormous cauldron of pea soup (essence of all chinese dishes- who knows). His stick was the size of a fence post and had an encrusted ridge of dried on essence of Chinese at half way point. The customer interface point hurredly shut the errant door and called out what I thought was our meal. It wasn't. No idea what it was when I got home. Some other sucker got our wierd selection.
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In El Pais (Spanish newspaper)there is an article that says EU horse slaughtering has increased from 30,000 in 2009 to 80,000 in 2012. More than a quarter of these horses are being killed in Andalucia, southern Spain. People can't feed horses in a depression.
Findus horsemeat lasagne came from Romanian horses and moshed up in Luxemburg. One thing for sure this disgusting trade won't be confined to the UK although suppose we will be hearing statements from other EU countries that it doesn't affect them...same as they said when the banks crashed ;D ;D
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I have eaten horse several times in Tunisia,burgers, steaks etc....bloody lovely it was too :y
If it was openly on sale I would by it regularly
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I'd sooner eat whiska's than lasagne any day ::) ;D
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I'd sooner eat whiska's than lasagne any day ::) ;D
You probably are if you eat any processed meat. ::) ::) ::)
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I'd sooner eat whiska's than lasagne any day ::) ;D
You probably are if you eat any processed meat. ::) ::) ::)
Aye cats have turned nose up at that just lately ::) ::) ::)
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Following the discovery of Richard III in a Leicester car park. Tesco are digging up their car park looking for his horse :D ;D ;D ;D
Why don't we just ban EU meat products being imported inot the UK as it all seems to originate from Poland and Rumania. They did it to us with the BSE problem.
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Why don't we just ban EU meat products being imported inot the UK as it all seems to originate from Poland and Rumania. They did it to us with the BSE problem.
Because, as the FSA keep reiterating, there is NO health hazard.
Therefore, its a no-story. Beyond the fact that the ingredients on side of box are not the entire truth (but for processed food, that has been the case for many, many, many years).
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FSA = Food Standards Agency, I know the politics fans here will be asking WTF this has to do with banking ;D
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The plot thickens , just been out to get cat food and they said on the radio that its now not just processed food :( Chinese Ribs tonight :-\
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Why don't we just ban EU meat products being imported inot the UK as it all seems to originate from Poland and Rumania. They did it to us with the BSE problem.
Because, as the FSA keep reiterating, there is NO health hazard.
Therefore, its a no-story. Beyond the fact that the ingredients on side of box are not the entire truth (but for processed food, that has been the case for many, many, many years).
That depends on what drugs have been used on horses eg phenylbutazone, Bute for inflamation which is banned from the food chain :(
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Finally... ;D
Bute is the concern IMO.
In fact Findus may have opened a new market ;)
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Why don't we just ban EU meat products being imported inot the UK as it all seems to originate from Poland and Rumania. They did it to us with the BSE problem.
Because, as the FSA keep reiterating, there is NO health hazard.
Therefore, its a no-story. Beyond the fact that the ingredients on side of box are not the entire truth (but for processed food, that has been the case for many, many, many years).
That depends on what drugs have been used on horses eg phenylbutazone, Bute for inflamation which is banned from the food chain :(
If people in the supply chain are prepared to put in horse as beef, does anyone really think they will give a monkeys what the animal (horse or cow) has been pumped full of :-\
So surely, it matters not if its horse, cow, pig, sheep, poultry. The issue is "is it safe?". Which the FSA say it is. TBH, its probably a lot safer than the other shite they have been passing as "meat" for the last 15yrs in processed food.
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Went to the Tesco cafe yesterday and ordered the lasagne, the woman asked if I wanted anything on it, so I said £5 each way. ::) ::) ::)
While I was in Tesco shopping as I approached the Beef quick meals I felt a little jumpy. ::) ::) ::)
TB: Neither FSA is fit for function and I can think of much more appropriate names for those initials, but I might get a ban for inappropriate language. ::) ::) ::)
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Why don't we just ban EU meat products being imported inot the UK as it all seems to originate from Poland and Rumania. They did it to us with the BSE problem.
Because, as the FSA keep reiterating, there is NO health hazard.
Therefore, its a no-story. Beyond the fact that the ingredients on side of box are not the entire truth (but for processed food, that has been the case for many, many, many years).
That depends on what drugs have been used on horses eg phenylbutazone, Bute for inflamation which is banned from the food chain :(
If people in the supply chain are prepared to put in horse as beef, does anyone really think they will give a monkeys what the animal (horse or cow) has been pumped full of :-\
So surely, it matters not if its horse, cow, pig, sheep, poultry. The issue is "is it safe?". Which the FSA say it is. TBH, its probably a lot safer than the other shite they have been passing as "meat" for the last 15yrs in processed food.
I was reading a comment on the DT from somebody that keeps horses and he said there are two loop holes, one is getting another passport for a horse if the original passport is stamped "not fit for human consumption" or if the horse has been injected with pain killers the vet should stamp the passport with this, but many horse owners will have temporally mislaid the horse's passport as in both cases a horse fit for human consumption is worth much more than one that isn't.
Apparently the painkiller Bute never leaves the horses system once it has been injected and small amounts can be fatal to humans, especially children.
So, it seems that there are major loop holes and testing must be done by the food manufacturers on all the beef that they use in their processed products. I suspect that this is a massive money earner for organised crime as horse meat is much, much cheaper than beef. I wonder how involved the Russian, Albanian and Italian mafia are?
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Went to the Tesco cafe yesterday and ordered the lasagne, the woman asked if I wanted anything on it, so I said £5 each way. ::) ::) ::)
While I was in Tesco shopping as I approached the Beef quick meals I felt a little jumpy. ::) ::) ::)
TB: Neither FSA is fit for function and I can think of much more appropriate names for those initials, but I might get a ban for inappropriate language. ::) ::) ::)
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Apparently its been found in kababs now :( not that many will taste it after 16 pints :-\
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I see a Uk abatoir has now been raided. :o
This story of meat not being what it is labelled as, is going to run and run (canter and canter?). I still maintain it was strange that the word PIG was dropped and instead the press are concentrating on horse.
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I was shocked to find our meat came from so far away, where I assume standards are not up to what we have in the UK :-\
Whilst we don't go very cheap with food we do use micro meals sometimes; in the future looks like we will be using, for all our meat, our local abattoir / direct seller Bolams of Sedgefield where we know where the cow's come from...... :y :y
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I was shocked to find our meat came from so far away, where I assume standards are not up to what we have in the UK :-\
Whilst we don't go very cheap with food we do use micro meals sometimes; in the future looks like we will be using, for all our meat, our local abattoir / direct seller Bolams of Sedgefield where we know where the cow's come from...... :y :y
If you organize your cooking, it can take no more time per day than living on tv meals or takeaways. Then you know the ingredients and can adjust the recipe to suit your palette. When I have a cooking session I will generally cook a batch of 10 to 20 portions, with what is not used going in the freezer as my fast food.
A couply of years a go I went to get some burgers for a BBQ and the shop had sold out, so I just got mince meat and made my own. All you need is mince beef, a chopped onion, some coriander, an egg and seasoning. It is best to make the burgers several hours before you need them or the night before as they can then rest in the fridge and are much less likely to break up on the BBQ. All I can say is once you have tried this you will never won't to go back to the poor shop rubbish burgers again.
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I was shocked to find our meat came from so far away, where I assume standards are not up to what we have in the UK :-\
Whilst we don't go very cheap with food we do use micro meals sometimes; in the future looks like we will be using, for all our meat, our local abattoir / direct seller Bolams of Sedgefield where we know where the cow's come from...... :y :y
If you organize your cooking, it can take no more time per day than living on tv meals or takeaways. Then you know the ingredients and can adjust the recipe to suit your palette. When I have a cooking session I will generally cook a batch of 10 to 20 portions, with what is not used going in the freezer as my fast food.
A couply of years a go I went to get some burgers for a BBQ and the shop had sold out, so I just got mince meat and made my own. All you need is mince beef, a chopped onion, some coriander, an egg and seasoning. It is best to make the burgers several hours before you need them or the night before as they can then rest in the fridge and are much less likely to break up on the BBQ. All I can say is once you have tried this you will never won't to go back to the poor shop rubbish burgers again.
I was making my own burgers many years ago............ :y :y
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Swmbo makes her own burgeers from minced beef fresh from the butchers.It makes my mouth water just thinking about them.
Nom nom. :)
No wonder Im getting fatter by the day. ;D
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Its not the horsemeat as such, its the lack of traceability, how do you know dobbin wasnt on anitbiotics or painkillers?
british scourced meat should be tracable back to the farm and individual animal.
as said if supermarkets push the prices down, suppliers will buy from dodgy sources.
Having worked in the trade for nearly 40yrs now nothing surprises me, in my early 30s i worked as a casualty slaughterman and regularly killed horse hand on heart cant lie and say that it did not enter the food chains, so if it was going on then why not now. As for tractability now in beef all beef has or should be traceable back to source, but as we all know if a fast buck is to be made rules will be broken.
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A good thing now is the local butchers are doing a roaring trade :) ;)
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I had a Tesco frozen lasagne (bought just before they realised there was horse in everything) on Monday night for dinner.
I thought it was quite delicious, though by all accounts there wasn't a great deal of meat in there anyway!
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Asda still had lasagna on sale yesterday :D many folks blocking the isle reading the ingredients ;D Best not to mention the tinned mince then :( :( :( ::) :-X :-X :-X :-X :-X
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Asda still had lasagna on sale yesterday :D many folks blocking the isle reading the ingredients ;D Best not to mention the tinned mince then :( :( :( ::) :-X :-X :-X :-X :-X
;D ;D ;D Reading the ingredients.. because, obviously, Horse would be written on there if it was in there ;D
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Asda still had lasagna on sale yesterday :D many folks blocking the isle reading the ingredients ;D Best not to mention the tinned mince then :( :( :( ::) :-X :-X :-X :-X :-X
Can you really buy tinned mince? Whatever next. ;D ;D
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Asda still had lasagna on sale yesterday :D many folks blocking the isle reading the ingredients ;D Best not to mention the tinned mince then :( :( :( ::) :-X :-X :-X :-X :-X
Can you really buy tinned mince? Whatever next. ;D ;D
You can buy canned whole chicken in the US! I kid you not:
(http://www.seriouseats.com/images/20090430-cannedchicken-shloop.jpg)
http://www.seriouseats.com/2009/04/whole-chicken-in-a-can-taste-test.html
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Asda still had lasagna on sale yesterday :D many folks blocking the isle reading the ingredients ;D Best not to mention the tinned mince then :( :( :( ::) :-X :-X :-X :-X :-X
Can you really buy tinned mince? Whatever next. ;D ;D
You can buy any meat tinned , i quite like those hamburgers in gravy and onions :P not that i suspect any ham is in them ;D ;D