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Omega Help Area => Omega General Help => Topic started by: Webby the Bear on 09 March 2013, 13:28:05
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Hi guys.
Reeeeally p*ssed off >:( sump bolt on the new Fusion is stripped. I knew as soon as I looked at it that it was rounded and all manner of sockets (i even tried imperial ones) and nowt goes on. well annoyed.
Anyway.
i'm going to buy a vacuum oil extractor thingy from amazon. the reviews are actually quite good.
however before i do that i had an idea. as i dont know how to weld another bolt on and i really dont want to get a punch/chisel to knock it round (i'm useless at doing that) i remembered a set of stud extraction sockets that we have at school....
http://www.google.co.uk/search?q=stud+extractor+socket&hl=en&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=eTg7UZ_hGeSK7Ab33YHQBQ&ved=0CAoQ_AUoAQ&biw=1366&bih=622#imgrc=MIK3YpceWDBJzM%3A%3B3678eHJNDI9cFM%3Bhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww.toolbuddy.co.uk%252Fekmps%252Fshops%252Ftoolbuddy%252Fimages%252F4-pce-stud-extractor-socket-set-roller-bearings-1-2-dr-4116-p.jpg%3Bhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww.toolbuddy.co.uk%252F4-pce-stud-extractor-socket-set-roller-bearings-12-dr-4116-p.asp%3B450%3B450
if i use the bigger of the set will this work?
cheers.
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I think your best bet is to chisel it round, get a new sump plug ready first of course.
You are in "Omega general help" by the way.
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I think your best bet is to chisel it round, get a new sump plug ready first of course.
You are in "Omega general help" by the way.
so i am. apologies to mods.
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Take it to college and get them to weld a nut onto it,then just undo it and fit a new one. ;)
Im not a fan of those oil extractor gadgets tbh.Imo they will leave the shite sitting in the bottom of the sump.
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Can you get a stillsons or mole-grip on it Webby?
Or you could get these (or similar): http://www.screwfix.com/p/irwin-5-piece-bolt-grip-nut-remover-set/96028?kpid=96028?cm_mmc=Google-_-Product%20Listing%20Ads-_-Sales%20Tracking-_-sales%20tracking%20url&gclid=CJPXrdDg77UCFePHtAodqBwAQw
The syphon works perfectly on the 2.5TDs, though not sure that it'll do the same on the V6s. :-\
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Can you get a pair of stilsons on it.
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Take it to college and get them to weld a nut onto it,then just undo it and fit a new one. ;)
Im not a fan of those oil extractor gadgets tbh.Imo they will leave the shite sitting in the bottom of the sump.
cheers albs. that was my first thought tbh. but the tech bloke got a bit arsey just borrowing some square sockets the other day.... he'd go nuts if i asked him to do that ;D
what do you reckon about the stud extraction thingy. when i used one before they seemed to lock on really well as they sort of dig in as you twist to undo. :-\
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seth/robson, thanks for that :y
i only have vice grips and i think they'd just lose grip.
seth, those irwin things are exactly what i mean. i may give that a go before buying the vacuum. cheer fors that :y :y :y
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It depends on why the original plug became rounded in the first place :-\
Worst case scenario is that the thread stripped during the 1st service and the monkey glued the plug in place. At the second service 'whoever' (probably a different monkey) rounded the flats on the sump plug trying to unscrew it.
Are you sure it isn't a Torx with the hole bunged up with crud? What is the sump made of? (steel or aluminium).
I would try mole grips first, I'm not keen on welding upside down :( especially under the engine were fire is a big risk and electric welders can destroy electronic components (ECU, alternator).
Second option would be to file or grind new flats on the bolt
Third option would be a new oil pan/sump. A new sump for SWMBO's Golf cost me about £60 after I smashed the original on a rock. I don't know what Ford prices are like though :-\
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It depends on why the original plug became rounded in the first place :-\
Worst case scenario is that the thread stripped during the 1st service and the monkey glued the plug in place. At the second service 'whoever' (probably a different monkey) rounded the flats on the sump plug trying to unscrew it.
Are you sure it isn't a Torx with the hole bunged up with crud? What is the sump made of? (steel or aluminium).
I would try mole grips first, I'm not keen on welding upside down :( especially under the engine were fire is a big risk and electric welders can destroy electronic components (ECU, alternator).
Second option would be to file or grind new flats on the bolt
Third option would be a new oil pan/sump. A new sump for SWMBO's Golf cost me about £60 after I smashed the original on a rock. I don't know what Ford prices are like though :-\
Thanks Andy.
its an aluminium pan. i think.
its defo not a hex/torx. i had a good look at it as thats what i thought at furst ;D
forgive my stupidity but are mole grips the same as vice grips? basically set them as tight as i possibly can, clamp on and start tuggin?
:y :y :y
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forgive my stupidity but are mole grips the same as vice grips? .....
Same thing, different manufacturer :y
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......Imo they will leave the shite sitting in the bottom of the sump.
no more than a drain plug in one side of the sump. SWMBO's Smart doesn't have a drain plug, so a suction extractor is the only way to remove the oil. I removed the sump on it after having sucked the oil out ..... there was just a large spoonful of oil left in there.
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It depends on why the original plug became rounded in the first place :-\
Worst case scenario is that the thread stripped during the 1st service and the monkey glued the plug in place. At the second service 'whoever' (probably a different monkey) rounded the flats on the sump plug trying to unscrew it.
Are you sure it isn't a Torx with the hole bunged up with crud? What is the sump made of? (steel or aluminium).
I would try mole grips first, I'm not keen on welding upside down :( especially under the engine were fire is a big risk and electric welders can destroy electronic components (ECU, alternator).
Second option would be to file or grind new flats on the bolt
Third option would be a new oil pan/sump. A new sump for SWMBO's Golf cost me about £60 after I smashed the original on a rock. I don't know what Ford prices are like though :-\
Thanks Andy.
its an aluminium pan. i think.
its defo not a hex/torx. i had a good look at it as thats what i thought at furst ;D
forgive my stupidity but are mole grips the same as vice grips? basically set them as tight as i possibly can, clamp on and start tuggin?
:y :y :y
Yes. Both registered trademarks for locking pliers.
There is a bit of an art to using locking pliers to grip a bolt head. If you dive in and grip it as tight as you can first time you will probably take the corner off the bolt head leaving nothing to grab on to. If the locking pliers have jaws with hardened teeth you can probably start off gently and make teeth marks in the smooth surface that will give a good enough grip to get the bolt turning.
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I wonder if the sump plug is the same as Ford have used for years :-\ :-\ :-\ :-\ I'm sure I've still got a few in my tool box :-\ :-\ :-\
BTW, we used to replace them every couple of services on the regular gars as it appears Ford made the Sump plug from cheese ::)
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13mm hex. You have obviously tried a six sided socket.
Easiest way is to heat the nut and bash on a 12mm/1/2" six sided socket.
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Is the sump stripped, or is it just the bolt is rounded off?
If latter, get a spare bolt and washer/seal, and bring it over if you like
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Thanks for all the advice guys. and TB, very kind of you. only trouble is i dont actually have any bolts that would be that size. are you thinking about showing me how to weld one on? :y
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Thanks for all the advice guys. and TB, very kind of you. only trouble is i dont actually have any bolts that would be that size. are you thinking about showing me how to weld one on? :y
No, he'll get it out and then you fit a new sump bolt & washer ;)
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Thanks for all the advice guys. and TB, very kind of you. only trouble is i dont actually have any bolts that would be that size. are you thinking about showing me how to weld one on? :y
No, he'll get it out and then you fit a new sump bolt & washer ;)
thanks LD ;)
as i dont have a spare would there be anything wrong with reusing it... but making sure its only done up just enough... the only disadvantage i can see is having to use vice grips to get it off each time :-\
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dont forget there are two types of vice grips.....straight jaw ,,,,and curved jaw........curved may be easier. also if you are thinking of using the extractors....irwin are the best there are and you can buy them separately... :y
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dont forget there are two types of vice grips.....straight jaw ,,,,and curved jaw........curved may be easier. also if you are thinking of using the extractors....irwin are the best there are and you can buy them separately... :y
cheers mate :y :y :y
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Thanks for all the advice guys. and TB, very kind of you. only trouble is i dont actually have any bolts that would be that size. are you thinking about showing me how to weld one on? :y
No, he'll get it out and then you fit a new sump bolt & washer ;)
thanks LD ;)
as i dont have a spare would there be anything wrong with reusing it... but making sure its only done up just enough... the only disadvantage i can see is having to use vice grips to get it off each time :-\
Not a good idea mate - new sump plug and washer/seal should only be a couple of quids ::)
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Thanks for all the advice guys. and TB, very kind of you. only trouble is i dont actually have any bolts that would be that size. are you thinking about showing me how to weld one on? :y
No, he'll get it out and then you fit a new sump bolt & washer ;)
thanks LD ;)
as i dont have a spare would there be anything wrong with reusing it... but making sure its only done up just enough... the only disadvantage i can see is having to use vice grips to get it off each time :-\
Not a good idea mate - new sump plug and washer/seal should only be a couple of quids ::)
If they're the same as Mondeo ones I've got a couple he can have ;) :y
Edit: If I can find them :-X Used to only be available as packs of 5 (or was it 10) when I was in the workshop
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As you only picked this car up yesterday take it back and get them to fix it, you have a warrenty dont you? ???
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nice one cheers lads. Very much appreciated :-) I'll see how i get on with the vice grips first and update asap tomorrow xxx
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Halfords keep popular size sump plugs we used one on a mates focus
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Is this the one you just bought?
Take it back and get them to fix it? ;)
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i use a 12v syphon on my cars and have for years never had any problems yet webby or have i spoke too soon!!!!
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Found it ;D http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ekwpCgVAgFE :y
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nah molegrips are better and quicker
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Is this the one you just bought?
Take it back and get them to fix it? ;)
I think the 200+ mile round trip puts him off ::)
Surely they serviced it before you collected though so, inconvenient as it is, there shouldn't be any mad rush :-\ Give them a chance to arrange something :-\
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Good point about the round trip (round .. heh)! I'm in no position to talk, anyway - bought all my cars locally and never tried to get the dealers to fix anything :-[
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Or stillsons :y
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Or stillsons :y
Yep, if they can get a good grip they will turn just about anything like that..... :y :y
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nah molegrips are better and quicker
Depends on how ROUND the nut has become ;D Just making one flat will give more grip with the mollies :)
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cheers guys for all the info. just quickly called halfords.... they cant search via my reg number and asked me to bring the bolt in so they could match it up........... did consider doing my oil change in their car park ;D ;D ;D
ill go to ford tomorrow :y
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had the same problem on the wifes escort dont know if its the same but the sump plug on it had a plastic washer not the normal copper one, few mins with a small blow torch melted the washer just enougth to loosen the bolt might be the same.The new sump bolt was only few pounds from ford not worth re'using IMHP .
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get sump bolt from motor factors about £3 and ive got bolt removal sockets,gas bottle, nice long chisel if you get stuck :y