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Title: Jaguar Diesel
Post by: omega3000 on 20 March 2013, 15:59:42
Any thoughts about this JAGUAR (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/JAGUAR-X-TYPE-DIESEL-2-0D-EURO-4-RARE-COLOUR-FSH-FROM-NEW-LOW-RESERVE-LOOK-/151010606937?pt=Automobiles_UK&hash=item2328eeff59)
Really like the shape and diesel economy but have no idea of reliability  :-\
Title: Re: Jaguar Diesel
Post by: henryd on 20 March 2013, 16:01:51
Mechanically based on a 2.0 Mondeo Tdci although most of the running gear is bespoke Jaguar :y
Title: Re: Jaguar Diesel
Post by: omega3000 on 20 March 2013, 16:06:31
Mechanically based on a 2.0 Mondeo Tdci although most of the running gear is bespoke Jaguar :y

Thanks henry , anything to look out for that wears out ? No idea of the different engine sizes yet ie: petrol/diesel ... sure they do a V6 too  :-\ , will have a look later .
Title: Re: Jaguar Diesel
Post by: henryd on 20 March 2013, 16:41:08
Diesels are 2.0 and 2.2 front wheel drive,petrols are 2.5 v6 and 3.0 v6 and both are four wheel drive :y
Title: Re: Jaguar Diesel
Post by: omega3000 on 20 March 2013, 16:54:53
 :y

Seen this as well http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/2002-Jaguar-X-Type-2-0-V6-4DR-FULL-SERVICE-HISTORY-/251248162124?pt=Automobiles_UK&hash=item3a7f8eb54c

Any auto box problems as im looking for auto , could get away with manual providing the clutch is light .
Title: Re: Jaguar Diesel
Post by: Field Marshal Dr. Opti on 20 March 2013, 17:23:06
Oh dear, Mr EMD. The Jaguar Mondeo X-Type is to be avoided if it's anything like the one that  we ( Mrs Opti) owned.

That was the 3.0 SE auto, finished in a fetching shade of green, and it suffered just about every electrical gremlin known to man. The auto box was also extremely jerky.

It went reasonably well (when it was running) and handled acceptably thanks to four wheel drive.......but at the end of the day it was no more than a Mondeo in a posh frock.

If you lust after a Jag, you might be better off with a real one.

I believe that James CDX and Guffer own a pukka Jaaaaaaaaaaaggggggggggggggggggg. :y


There are some piccies of it somewhere on this forum, if you're interested. :y
Title: Re: Jaguar Diesel
Post by: dbug on 20 March 2013, 17:25:21
:y

Seen this as well http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/2002-Jaguar-X-Type-2-0-V6-4DR-FULL-SERVICE-HISTORY-/251248162124?pt=Automobiles_UK&hash=item3a7f8eb54c

Any auto box problems as im looking for auto , could get away with manual providing the clutch is light .

2.1 litre V6 with 5 speed manual box.  Very little room in back, based on Mondeo floorpan (rusty sills and inners!!), good point lots of parts are Ford and cheaper than the Jaguar parts :y

Mines a real Jaguar - there are pics of it on the Forum somewhere
Title: Re: Jaguar Diesel
Post by: Elite Pete on 20 March 2013, 17:34:11
DMF and injectors ::)
Title: Re: Jaguar Diesel
Post by: omega3000 on 20 March 2013, 17:34:29
Oh dear  :( Electrical gremlins scare me off esp gearbox ones  :(

So you mean one of these MR opti

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/1996-P-JAGUAR-XJ-SERIES-SOVEREIGN-4-0-FULL-JAGUAR-SERVICE-HISTORY-/140932248930?pt=Automobiles_UK&hash=item20d0377562

I thought these had rot issues ? Mr Arron pulled one to bits i think and it was rotten  :-\
Title: Re: Jaguar Diesel
Post by: omega3000 on 20 March 2013, 17:35:09
DMF and injectors ::)

Say no more  :(
Title: Re: Jaguar Diesel
Post by: omega3000 on 20 March 2013, 17:36:12
:y

Seen this as well http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/2002-Jaguar-X-Type-2-0-V6-4DR-FULL-SERVICE-HISTORY-/251248162124?pt=Automobiles_UK&hash=item3a7f8eb54c

Any auto box problems as im looking for auto , could get away with manual providing the clutch is light .

2.1 litre V6 with 5 speed manual box.  Very little room in back, based on Mondeo floorpan (rusty sills and inners!!), good point lots of parts are Ford and cheaper than the Jaguar parts :y

Mines a real Jaguar - there are pics of it on the Forum somewhere

 :o Sound like a cortina i use to own  :(
Title: Re: Jaguar Diesel
Post by: henryd on 20 March 2013, 17:39:17
:y

Seen this as well http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/2002-Jaguar-X-Type-2-0-V6-4DR-FULL-SERVICE-HISTORY-/251248162124?pt=Automobiles_UK&hash=item3a7f8eb54c

Any auto box problems as im looking for auto , could get away with manual providing the clutch is light .

2.1 litre V6 with 5 speed manual box.  Very little room in back, based on Mondeo floorpan (rusty sills and inners!!), good point lots of parts are Ford and cheaper than the Jaguar parts :y

Mines a real Jaguar - there are pics of it on the Forum somewhere

Never seen a 2.1 v6,didn't even know they made one :-X
Title: Re: Jaguar Diesel
Post by: dbug on 20 March 2013, 17:40:37
Oh dear  :( Electrical gremlins scare me off esp gearbox ones  :(

So you mean one of these MR opti

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/1996-P-JAGUAR-XJ-SERIES-SOVEREIGN-4-0-FULL-JAGUAR-SERVICE-HISTORY-/140932248930?pt=Automobiles_UK&hash=item20d0377562

I thought these had rot issues ? Mr Arron pulled one to bits i think and it was rotten  :-\

See here for pics of mine http://www.omegaowners.com/forum/index.php?topic=94813.60 (http://www.omegaowners.com/forum/index.php?topic=94813.60) , its an X350, all Aluminium bodied - bare bodyshell weighs less than bare Mini bodyshell.
Title: Re: Jaguar Diesel
Post by: Field Marshal Dr. Opti on 20 March 2013, 17:40:44
Oh dear  :( Electrical gremlins scare me off esp gearbox ones  :(

So you mean one of these MR opti

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/1996-P-JAGUAR-XJ-SERIES-SOVEREIGN-4-0-FULL-JAGUAR-SERVICE-HISTORY-/140932248930?pt=Automobiles_UK&hash=item20d0377562

I thought these had rot issues ? Mr Arron pulled one to bits i think and it was rotten  :-\


That's better, but hardly Jaguar's finest hour. I believe the one that Aaron owned was blessed with the full fat 6 litre V12 lump. :y
Title: Re: Jaguar Diesel
Post by: dbug on 20 March 2013, 17:41:35
:y

Seen this as well http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/2002-Jaguar-X-Type-2-0-V6-4DR-FULL-SERVICE-HISTORY-/251248162124?pt=Automobiles_UK&hash=item3a7f8eb54c

Any auto box problems as im looking for auto , could get away with manual providing the clutch is light .

2.1 litre V6 with 5 speed manual box.  Very little room in back, based on Mondeo floorpan (rusty sills and inners!!), good point lots of parts are Ford and cheaper than the Jaguar parts :y

Mines a real Jaguar - there are pics of it on the Forum somewhere

Never seen a 2.1 v6,didn't even know they made one :-X

Apparently so - a 150bhp lump ;)
Title: Re: Jaguar Diesel
Post by: omega3000 on 20 March 2013, 17:42:13
:y

Seen this as well http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/2002-Jaguar-X-Type-2-0-V6-4DR-FULL-SERVICE-HISTORY-/251248162124?pt=Automobiles_UK&hash=item3a7f8eb54c

Any auto box problems as im looking for auto , could get away with manual providing the clutch is light .

2.1 litre V6 with 5 speed manual box.  Very little room in back, based on Mondeo floorpan (rusty sills and inners!!), good point lots of parts are Ford and cheaper than the Jaguar parts :y

Mines a real Jaguar - there are pics of it on the Forum somewhere

Never seen a 2.1 v6,didn't even know they made one :-X

Just seen a couple on egay henry  :y 

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/2003-JAGUAR-X-TYPE-MANUAL-V6-2-1-GOLD-LUXURY-MOTORING-TAX-MOT-VERY-NICE-CAR-/171009285448?pt=Automobiles_UK&hash=item27d0f29d48
Title: Re: Jaguar Diesel
Post by: omega3000 on 20 March 2013, 17:44:03
Oh dear  :( Electrical gremlins scare me off esp gearbox ones  :(

So you mean one of these MR opti

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/1996-P-JAGUAR-XJ-SERIES-SOVEREIGN-4-0-FULL-JAGUAR-SERVICE-HISTORY-/140932248930?pt=Automobiles_UK&hash=item20d0377562

I thought these had rot issues ? Mr Arron pulled one to bits i think and it was rotten  :-\

See here for pics of mine http://www.omegaowners.com/forum/index.php?topic=94813.60 (http://www.omegaowners.com/forum/index.php?topic=94813.60) , its an X350, all Aluminium bodied - bare bodyshell weighs less than bare Mini bodyshell.

Thats nice mate , only one on egay at £4k for an 03  :o
Title: Re: Jaguar Diesel
Post by: dbug on 20 March 2013, 17:59:46
Oh dear  :( Electrical gremlins scare me off esp gearbox ones  :(

So you mean one of these MR opti

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/1996-P-JAGUAR-XJ-SERIES-SOVEREIGN-4-0-FULL-JAGUAR-SERVICE-HISTORY-/140932248930?pt=Automobiles_UK&hash=item20d0377562

I thought these had rot issues ? Mr Arron pulled one to bits i think and it was rotten  :-\

See here for pics of mine http://www.omegaowners.com/forum/index.php?topic=94813.60 (http://www.omegaowners.com/forum/index.php?topic=94813.60) , its an X350, all Aluminium bodied - bare bodyshell weighs less than bare Mini bodyshell.

Thats nice mate , only one on egay at £4k for an 03  :o

Yep with 155K on it - bought mine just over a year ago with 75K on it with fsh.
Title: Re: Jaguar Diesel
Post by: henryd on 20 March 2013, 18:00:36
:y

Seen this as well http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/2002-Jaguar-X-Type-2-0-V6-4DR-FULL-SERVICE-HISTORY-/251248162124?pt=Automobiles_UK&hash=item3a7f8eb54c

Any auto box problems as im looking for auto , could get away with manual providing the clutch is light .

2.1 litre V6 with 5 speed manual box.  Very little room in back, based on Mondeo floorpan (rusty sills and inners!!), good point lots of parts are Ford and cheaper than the Jaguar parts :y

Mines a real Jaguar - there are pics of it on the Forum somewhere

Never seen a 2.1 v6,didn't even know they made one :-X

Just seen a couple on egay henry  :y 

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/2003-JAGUAR-X-TYPE-MANUAL-V6-2-1-GOLD-LUXURY-MOTORING-TAX-MOT-VERY-NICE-CAR-/171009285448?pt=Automobiles_UK&hash=item27d0f29d48

Just seen a couple online myself :y

If I was going to buy one I think I would have the 2.2 diesel,reasonable economy and more torque than the 3.0 V6 :y
Title: Re: Jaguar Diesel
Post by: omega3000 on 20 March 2013, 18:08:51
My mate had the old xj 4.0 sport , boy did it fly but i found it quite smallish inside , or was it low  :-\ Very reliable and not bad on juice either .
Title: Re: Jaguar Diesel
Post by: dbug on 20 March 2013, 18:14:17
My mate had the old xj 4.0 sport , boy did it fly but i found it quite smallish inside , or was it low  :-\ Very reliable and not bad on juice either .

 :o :o how hugh are you mate?  XJs are big spacious motors ;)
Title: Re: Jaguar Diesel
Post by: omega3000 on 20 March 2013, 18:28:06
My mate had the old xj 4.0 sport , boy did it fly but i found it quite smallish inside , or was it low  :-\ Very reliable and not bad on juice either .

 :o :o how hugh are you mate?  XJs are big spacious motors ;)

Not that huge , i can fit in the 106 no problem . Its getting out is the problem  ;D Mind you the old XJs are cheap though . Dont know about the spares prices  :o

Like henry said
Quote
2.2 diesel,reasonable economy and more torque than the 3.0 V6 
But the electrical problems scare me off them  :(
Title: Re: Jaguar Diesel
Post by: Webby the Bear on 20 March 2013, 18:30:08
looked in to the poss. of one of these for ma and pa.

sill rot a massive problem iirc
Title: Re: Jaguar Diesel
Post by: henryd on 20 March 2013, 18:30:57
My mate had the old xj 4.0 sport , boy did it fly but i found it quite smallish inside , or was it low  :-\ Very reliable and not bad on juice either .

 :o :o how hugh are you mate?  XJs are big spacious motors ;)

Not that huge , i can fit in the 106 no problem . Its getting out is the problem  ;D Mind you the old XJs are cheap though . Dont know about the spares prices  :o

Like henry said
Quote
2.2 diesel,reasonable economy and more torque than the 3.0 V6 
But the electrical problems scare me off them  :(

Probably no worse than the equivalent Ford of that period,I'd be more afraid of the rot issues if I'm honest :-\
Title: Re: Jaguar Diesel
Post by: omega3000 on 20 March 2013, 18:34:31
Im guessing the rot can be easily spotted  :-\ And if its just been mot'd surely the rot issue would be picked up and failed ?
Title: Re: Jaguar Diesel
Post by: Webby the Bear on 20 March 2013, 18:37:17
Im guessing the rot can be easily spotted  :-\ And if its just been mot'd surely the rot issue would be picked up and failed ?

my understanding is you'd have to take the sill covers off to see it so difficult to see on a viewing. someone correct me if i'm wrong obviously  :y
Title: Re: Jaguar Diesel
Post by: omega3000 on 20 March 2013, 18:39:16
Im guessing the rot can be easily spotted  :-\ And if its just been mot'd surely the rot issue would be picked up and failed ?

my understanding is you'd have to take the sill covers off to see it so difficult to see on a viewing. someone correct me if i'm wrong obviously  :y

Same as the omega then , so rot cant be spotted by MOT  :(
Title: Re: Jaguar Diesel
Post by: Webby the Bear on 20 March 2013, 18:40:06
heres a thread I found when I was looking in to it.....

http://www.kelsey-forums.co.uk/cgi-bin/jwm/YaBB.pl?num=1313252614/all
Title: Re: Jaguar Diesel
Post by: omega3000 on 20 March 2013, 18:44:01
heres a thread I found when I was looking in to it.....

http://www.kelsey-forums.co.uk/cgi-bin/jwm/YaBB.pl?num=1313252614/all

Just seen the sill pictures  :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o
Title: Re: Jaguar Diesel
Post by: BazaJT on 20 March 2013, 19:41:49
On X-type,some engine parts at least[on diesel engines]are cheaper from Jaguar than Ford,water pumps for an example.4wd models can suffer transfer box problems and all models seem for some reason to suffer tyre wear issues.I own a '95 XJ6 3.2 Sport the only rot problem I've had is on the rear arches[they were going when I bought it 6yrs ago],apparently the X300's[and possibly X308's]can suffer rot of the alloy rear bumper mounts to the extent that the rear bumper falls off!
Title: Re: Jaguar Diesel
Post by: omega3000 on 20 March 2013, 20:13:50
This one looks an honest buy http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Jaguar-XJ-V8-4-0-/171011120712?pt=Automobiles_UK&hash=item27d10e9e48

 :y
Title: Re: Jaguar Diesel
Post by: henryd on 20 March 2013, 20:17:26
This one looks an honest buy http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Jaguar-XJ-V8-4-0-/171011120712?pt=Automobiles_UK&hash=item27d10e9e48

 :y

That's a lot of car for little money ::)
Title: Re: Jaguar Diesel
Post by: omega3000 on 20 March 2013, 20:31:28
This one looks an honest buy http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Jaguar-XJ-V8-4-0-/171011120712?pt=Automobiles_UK&hash=item27d10e9e48

 :y

That's a lot of car for little money ::)

It is that  ;) Those seats look really comfy .
Title: Re: Jaguar Diesel
Post by: dbug on 20 March 2013, 21:50:36
heres a thread I found when I was looking in to it.....

http://www.kelsey-forums.co.uk/cgi-bin/jwm/YaBB.pl?num=1313252614/all

Ah - Brian the rsols post  ;D ;D ;D ;D - you want to see some of his other posts.
Title: Re: Jaguar Diesel
Post by: Webby the Bear on 20 March 2013, 21:56:03
heres a thread I found when I was looking in to it.....

http://www.kelsey-forums.co.uk/cgi-bin/jwm/YaBB.pl?num=1313252614/all

Ah - Brian the rsols post  ;D ;D ;D ;D - you want to see some of his other posts.

 ???
Title: Re: Jaguar Diesel
Post by: dbug on 20 March 2013, 21:56:15
This one looks an honest buy http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Jaguar-XJ-V8-4-0-/171011120712?pt=Automobiles_UK&hash=item27d10e9e48

 :y

Yep it does.  As Henry said - a lot of car for the money.  And the seats (they look similar to mine) are extremely comfortable, yet hold you firmly in fast corners.

Also note the spacious interior ;)
Title: Re: Jaguar Diesel
Post by: dbug on 20 March 2013, 21:59:24
heres a thread I found when I was looking in to it.....

http://www.kelsey-forums.co.uk/cgi-bin/jwm/YaBB.pl?num=1313252614/all

Ah - Brian the rsols post  ;D ;D ;D ;D - you want to see some of his other posts.

 ???

Sorry guys I'm a member on that forum - they get a visitor about once a week ::) ::)
Brian is an absolute wingeing rsol, rude to newbies, and some of his posts not helpful.
I tend to go on it once a month and read the 4 new posts. ???
Title: Re: Jaguar Diesel
Post by: Webby the Bear on 20 March 2013, 22:02:53
heres a thread I found when I was looking in to it.....

http://www.kelsey-forums.co.uk/cgi-bin/jwm/YaBB.pl?num=1313252614/all

Ah - Brian the rsols post  ;D ;D ;D ;D - you want to see some of his other posts.

 ???

Sorry guys I'm a member on that forum - they get a visitor about once a week ::) ::)
Brian is an absolute wingeing rsol, rude to newbies, and some of his posts not helpful.
I tend to go on it once a month and read the 4 new posts. ???

 ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Jaguar Diesel
Post by: mantahatch on 20 March 2013, 22:05:28
This one looks an honest buy http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Jaguar-XJ-V8-4-0-/171011120712?pt=Automobiles_UK&hash=item27d10e9e48

 :y

That's a lot of car for little money ::)

It is that  ;) Those seats look really comfy .

The rear seats look awful for anyone who has legs  ;D I never could get over why the S type and X type have such poor rear leg room, I mean for goodness sake my 6 foot tall 17 year old can sit comfortably in the rear of my Astra mk5 with me driving and I am 6 foot 4.
Title: Re: Jaguar Diesel
Post by: dbug on 20 March 2013, 22:06:33
heres a thread I found when I was looking in to it.....

http://www.kelsey-forums.co.uk/cgi-bin/jwm/YaBB.pl?num=1313252614/all

Ah - Brian the rsols post  ;D ;D ;D ;D - you want to see some of his other posts.

 ???

Sorry guys I'm a member on that forum - they get a visitor about once a week ::) ::)
Brian is an absolute wingeing rsol, rude to newbies, and some of his posts not helpful.
I tend to go on it once a month and read the 4 new posts. ???

 ;D ;D ;D

I tend to go on Jaguar Forum.co.uk - much more technical and helpful information available.  Seen Tunnie on there and Dodsy is a member.
Title: Re: Jaguar Diesel
Post by: dbug on 20 March 2013, 22:08:50
This one looks an honest buy http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Jaguar-XJ-V8-4-0-/171011120712?pt=Automobiles_UK&hash=item27d10e9e48

 :y

That's a lot of car for little money ::)

It is that  ;) Those seats look really comfy .

The rear seats look awful for anyone who has legs  ;D I never could get over why the S type and X type have such poor rear leg room, I mean for goodness sake my 6 foot tall 17 year old can sit comfortably in the rear of my Astra mk5 with me driving and I am 6 foot 4.
Agreed S and X type are both poor for rear leg room - but there's plenty of space in the XJs ;)
Title: Re: Jaguar Diesel
Post by: tunnie on 22 March 2013, 00:21:45
heres a thread I found when I was looking in to it.....

http://www.kelsey-forums.co.uk/cgi-bin/jwm/YaBB.pl?num=1313252614/all

Ah - Brian the rsols post  ;D ;D ;D ;D - you want to see some of his other posts.

 ???

Sorry guys I'm a member on that forum - they get a visitor about once a week ::) ::)
Brian is an absolute wingeing rsol, rude to newbies, and some of his posts not helpful.
I tend to go on it once a month and read the 4 new posts. ???

 ;D ;D ;D

I tend to go on Jaguar Forum.co.uk - much more technical and helpful information available.  Seen Tunnie on there and Dodsy is a member.

Yes joined up after I had a go in Josh's Jag, interested in running and service costs. It's about the only car I felt instantly at home, the central arm rest was just excellent. Just at right place, comfy seat, love long bonnet view, space, sound, ride makes Omega feel like Ford Ka.

Big, big contender for long term replacement.... Although I did drive the later shape than one above
Title: Re: Jaguar Diesel
Post by: turtle-eyed-curt on 22 March 2013, 07:39:15
My dad has the 2.0 (2.1 v6) and the only problem he's had in 5 years is a faulty door lock sensor that honks the horn when you lock it, as for servicing the inlet manifold needs to come off to change the 6th spark plug. Go for as high a spec as possible and you'll be happier, the bog standard ones feel a little plasticky.
Title: Re: Jaguar Diesel
Post by: aaronjb on 22 March 2013, 11:02:41
Oh dear  :( Electrical gremlins scare me off esp gearbox ones  :(

So you mean one of these MR opti

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/1996-P-JAGUAR-XJ-SERIES-SOVEREIGN-4-0-FULL-JAGUAR-SERVICE-HISTORY-/140932248930?pt=Automobiles_UK&hash=item20d0377562

I thought these had rot issues ? Mr Arron pulled one to bits i think and it was rotten  :-\

Bit late to the party I know, but.. Mine was an XJ40 - the predecessor to that (production stopped in 1994) and, yes, rotten as a pear.. In fact I reckon just about any XJ40 besides a lovingly cared for example is going to be just as rotten by now, and most of the rot was in hidden areas (inner wings where the wiring came through - there were no inner wings anymore! - bulkheads, floorpan.. sills were OK though ;D).

That's an X300, and I don't know much about those other than that they share a lot of mechanicals with the XJ40..

What you really want is a Series car, but they fetch good money now (unless, as previously noted, rotten)..
Title: Re: Jaguar Diesel
Post by: Manual Elite V6 on 23 March 2013, 15:40:02
Diesel X-Types are well known for injector failure and EGR problems, the inlet manifolds fill with soot and get blocked.
Title: Re: Jaguar Diesel
Post by: markrnorton on 25 March 2013, 15:37:59
I currently run an S type 2.7 TT diesel. very smooth with decent punch. Had a few little problems, but nothing unusual. Had an x type 3.0 before, was a good motor, grippy, but 13mpg around town. had an auto gearbox glitch as well

i do like the s type, and on a run you can get close to 50mpg
Title: Re: Jaguar Diesel
Post by: Del Boy on 25 March 2013, 15:44:26
X-Types aren't terrible, although they are like a Mondeo to drive, should note that every Jaguar I've ever owned be it, an X-Type, an S-Type and an XJR, were small inside.