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Title: Desperate
Post by: danzigfan on 01 November 2013, 13:31:11
Thought I fixed coolant leak last week - I didn't, still leaking, replaced both suspension arms - still hear some banging when driving over small bumps, full geometry setup done - still doesn't corner well, front HID sensor keeps sending warning after arms change, cam sensor on it's way, cam gasket needs replacement.....aaarrggghhhh >:( >:( >:( :'( 
Damn.... >:(
Title: Re: Desperate
Post by: omega3000 on 01 November 2013, 14:23:02
Oh dear  :( Seems its trying your patience  :'(
Title: Re: Desperate
Post by: tunnie on 01 November 2013, 14:26:24
Thought I fixed coolant leak last week - I didn't, still leaking, replaced both suspension arms - still hear some banging when driving over small bumps, full geometry setup done - still doesn't corner well, front HID sensor keeps sending warning after arms change, cam sensor on it's way, cam gasket needs replacement.....aaarrggghhhh >:( >:( >:( :'( 
Damn.... >:(

Checked drop links?

Steering idler ok?

Cam sensors lasts well, make sure you get genuine if you can. Same for gasket, cheap enough for 2.2/2.0 on trade here at least  :y
Title: Re: Desperate
Post by: danzigfan on 01 November 2013, 14:32:16
Oh dear  :( Seems its trying your patience  :'(


Oh yes,....she does.... >:(
Title: Re: Desperate
Post by: danzigfan on 01 November 2013, 14:40:51
Thought I fixed coolant leak last week - I didn't, still leaking, replaced both suspension arms - still hear some banging when driving over small bumps, full geometry setup done - still doesn't corner well, front HID sensor keeps sending warning after arms change, cam sensor on it's way, cam gasket needs replacement.....aaarrggghhhh >:( >:( >:( :'( 
Damn.... >:(

Checked drop links?

Steering idler ok?

Cam sensors lasts well, make sure you get genuine if you can. Same for gasket, cheap enough for 2.2/2.0 on trade here at least  :y


Genuine gasket around 40/50e, cam sensor around 100  :o , the wheel has no play, drop links fine, ....really don't know what else could it be.
Imagine an omega parked all night, you put into reverse, after a few yards press the brake and hear the muffled bang from the front, it's not the brake itself, like something moved where the suspension arm is, really can't figure it out  :-[
Title: Re: Desperate
Post by: omega3000 on 01 November 2013, 14:52:03
Sub-frame  :-\
Title: Re: Desperate
Post by: cem_devecioglu on 01 November 2013, 15:07:36
Thought I fixed coolant leak last week - I didn't, still leaking, replaced both suspension arms - still hear some banging when driving over small bumps, full geometry setup done - still doesn't corner well, front HID sensor keeps sending warning after arms change, cam sensor on it's way, cam gasket needs replacement.....aaarrggghhhh >:( >:( >:( :'( 
Damn.... >:(

cam gasket and cam sensor are important and must be serviced before everything.. and keep topping up the coolant with dye additive.. then you can find easily (I hope)
Title: Re: Desperate
Post by: danzigfan on 01 November 2013, 15:09:08
Sub-frame  :-\

My fears too... :'( :-\ I've been looking for a replacement for a while now, a V6 if possible see road tax is the same here from 1.8 to 2.5, only difference would be a bit more expensive insurance and that's it.  Anyone has an opinion about this one

http://www.avto.net/_AVTO/ad.asp?ID=7752392&show=1   
 No low mileage bargain where I live and I think there's a "repaired" rust on left rear wheelarche, as far as I can see on mobile

Title: Re: Desperate
Post by: danzigfan on 01 November 2013, 15:11:19
Thought I fixed coolant leak last week - I didn't, still leaking, replaced both suspension arms - still hear some banging when driving over small bumps, full geometry setup done - still doesn't corner well, front HID sensor keeps sending warning after arms change, cam sensor on it's way, cam gasket needs replacement.....aaarrggghhhh >:( >:( >:( :'( 
Damn.... >:(

cam gasket and cam sensor are important and must be serviced before everything.. and keep topping up the coolant with dye additive.. then you can find easily (I hope)

I've spent so much on coolant in three years I could buy a new radiator Cem  :-X :'(
Title: Re: Desperate
Post by: cem_devecioglu on 01 November 2013, 15:25:48
Thought I fixed coolant leak last week - I didn't, still leaking, replaced both suspension arms - still hear some banging when driving over small bumps, full geometry setup done - still doesn't corner well, front HID sensor keeps sending warning after arms change, cam sensor on it's way, cam gasket needs replacement.....aaarrggghhhh >:( >:( >:( :'( 
Damn.... >:(

cam gasket and cam sensor are important and must be serviced before everything.. and keep topping up the coolant with dye additive.. then you can find easily (I hope)

I've spent so much on coolant in three years I could buy a new radiator Cem  :-X :'(

 ;D  ok then.. add some dye in it and check it on a lift with some black light in a dark place.. what year/model is the car ?
Title: Re: Desperate
Post by: danzigfan on 01 November 2013, 15:33:42
I've found the leak, thought I sorted it out by replacing a clip but it seems there is a crack somewhere too. Honestly, I'm loosing interest of saving her.
Becoming like I'm owning an Alfa Romeo....never works like it should. If I add up the cost of repairs for this few issues, I really don't know  :'(
Title: Re: Desperate
Post by: cem_devecioglu on 01 November 2013, 15:39:28
I've found the leak, thought I sorted it out by replacing a clip but it seems there is a crack somewhere too. Honestly, I'm loosing interest of saving her.
Becoming like I'm owning an Alfa Romeo....never works like it should. If I add up the cost of repairs for this few issues, I really don't know  :'(

its a decision where at one point you have to make.. but dont be too late..
Title: Re: Desperate
Post by: Rods2 on 01 November 2013, 23:41:29
Sub-frame  :-\

My fears too... :'( :-\ I've been looking for a replacement for a while now, a V6 if possible see road tax is the same here from 1.8 to 2.5, only difference would be a bit more expensive insurance and that's it.  Anyone has an opinion about this one

http://www.avto.net/_AVTO/ad.asp?ID=7752392&show=1   
 No low mileage bargain where I live and I think there's a "repaired" rust on left rear wheelarche, as far as I can see on mobile

It looks like a dent on the rear wing, from some sort of minor accident.  ???
Title: Re: Desperate
Post by: omega3000 on 02 November 2013, 21:43:47
I've found the leak, thought I sorted it out by replacing a clip but it seems there is a crack somewhere too. Honestly, I'm loosing interest of saving her.
Becoming like I'm owning an Alfa Romeo....never works like it should. If I add up the cost of repairs for this few issues, I really don't know  :'(

It can't be that bad  ;D :y

Have you done a pressure test on cooling system  :-\
Title: Re: Desperate
Post by: danzigfan on 02 November 2013, 21:50:15
I've found the leak, thought I sorted it out by replacing a clip but it seems there is a crack somewhere too. Honestly, I'm loosing interest of saving her.
Becoming like I'm owning an Alfa Romeo....never works like it should. If I add up the cost of repairs for this few issues, I really don't know  :'(

It can't be that bad  ;D :y

Have you done a pressure test on cooling system  :-\


No, but I can see where the coolant is pooring out. Clip on the top hose to radiator was so loose I could move it away by hand and replaced it with jubilee clip... still leaking
Title: Re: Desperate
Post by: chrisgixer on 02 November 2013, 21:54:48
How tight are the wishbone bolts?
Title: Re: Desperate
Post by: danzigfan on 02 November 2013, 21:57:35
How tight are the wishbone bolts?


...Tight.... can it be too tight? :-[
Title: Re: Desperate
Post by: chrisgixer on 02 November 2013, 22:00:16
How tight are the wishbone bolts?


...Tight.... can it be to tight? :-[
Yes, but we're concerned with them being loose.

How tight, in nm,(of ft lbs) are the bolts?
Title: Re: Desperate
Post by: danzigfan on 02 November 2013, 22:03:20
How tight are the wishbone bolts?


...Tight.... can it be to tight? :-[
Yes, but we're concerned with them being loose.

How tight, in nm,(of ft lbs) are the bolts?

Nah..., no nm data there believe me....raw force, eemmm, could it be thread worn out?
Title: Re: Desperate
Post by: danzigfan on 02 November 2013, 22:04:39
I mean, there was no damage on bolts AFAIK but when 1,7 ton is pressing it, who knows?
Title: Re: Desperate
Post by: chrisgixer on 02 November 2013, 22:11:13
How tight are the wishbone bolts?


...Tight.... can it be to tight? :-[
Yes, but we're concerned with them being loose.

How tight, in nm,(of ft lbs) are the bolts?

Nah..., no nm data there believe me....raw force, eemmm, could it be thread worn out?
Ok, if over tight the area around the subframe holes could be damaged, if not tight enough the bolts won't hold the correct position, in either event the wishbones could be moving around.
Is the car stable under breaking? Does the steering wheel twist in your hands?

For info/are you aware, assuming no poly bushes, the bolts need to be tightened to 125nm then angle tightened 35 degrees, then a further 15degrees WITH THE WHEELS LOADED/car at the correct ride height.
Title: Re: Desperate
Post by: chrisgixer on 02 November 2013, 22:12:08
There are other causes, but given the work done lets start there.
Title: Re: Desperate
Post by: chrisgixer on 02 November 2013, 22:13:49
And which wishbones where fitted?
Title: Re: Desperate
Post by: danzigfan on 02 November 2013, 22:14:41
How tight are the wishbone bolts?


...Tight.... can it be to tight? :-[
Yes, but we're concerned with them being loose.

How tight, in nm,(of ft lbs) are the bolts?

Nah..., no nm data there believe me....raw force, eemmm, could it be thread worn out?
Ok, if over tight the area around the subframe holes could be damaged, if not tight enough the bolts won't hold the correct position, in either event the wishbones could be moving around.
Is the car stable under breaking? Does the steering wheel twist in your hands?

For info/are you aware, assuming no poly bushes, the bolts need to be tightened to 125nm then angle tightened 35 degrees, then a further 15degrees WITH THE WHEELS LOADED/car at the correct ride height.


Sooo...there comes first mistake of mine, omega was up when working on it.... no retighting when down
Title: Re: Desperate
Post by: chrisgixer on 02 November 2013, 22:19:06
How tight are the wishbone bolts?


...Tight.... can it be to tight? :-[
Yes, but we're concerned with them being loose.

How tight, in nm,(of ft lbs) are the bolts?

Nah..., no nm data there believe me....raw force, eemmm, could it be thread worn out?
Ok, if over tight the area around the subframe holes could be damaged, if not tight enough the bolts won't hold the correct position, in either event the wishbones could be moving around.
Is the car stable under breaking? Does the steering wheel twist in your hands?

For info/are you aware, assuming no poly bushes, the bolts need to be tightened to 125nm then angle tightened 35 degrees, then a further 15degrees WITH THE WHEELS LOADED/car at the correct ride height.


Sooo...there comes first mistake of mine, omega was up when working on it.... no retighting when down

If that's the case the front bushes could very well be torn already. Lemforder bushes will take it for a short time, but any rubber bush will tear eventually.

Or, just fit poly bushes. Powerflex.
Title: Re: Desperate
Post by: chrisgixer on 02 November 2013, 22:20:00
They all tear eventually, bit you know what I mean. Life is reduced to a few months at best.
Title: Re: Desperate
Post by: danzigfan on 02 November 2013, 22:20:13
And car is stable under braking, I hear and feel banging when driving over small bumps...it just never stops. Just for info - there was no play/banging a day or two after replacing lower suspension arms, before it reappeared
Title: Re: Desperate
Post by: danzigfan on 02 November 2013, 22:21:43
So it means they could be torn allready :(
Title: Re: Desperate
Post by: chrisgixer on 02 November 2013, 22:23:10
And car is stable under braking, I hear and feel banging when driving over small bumps...it just never stops. Just for info - there was no play/banging a day or two after replacing lower suspension arms, before it reappeared
Sounds like either;
1 the bolts have come loose
2 the bushes have torn. This wouldn't normally cause knocking on quality bushes though. But cheap ones might.

Where the drop links undone to fit the wishbones, and where they done up again to 60nm?
Title: Re: Desperate
Post by: danzigfan on 02 November 2013, 22:29:39
The drop links weren't undone
Title: Re: Desperate
Post by: chrisgixer on 02 November 2013, 22:31:02
Also, check the caliper bolts are tight (sorry, but you never know)

And that the brake pads anti rattle springs are seated correctly.(  depends how bad the rattle is )
Title: Re: Desperate
Post by: chrisgixer on 02 November 2013, 22:35:34
The drop links weren't undone

I bet that was a struggle. Or did you undo the shock bolts?

Wishbone ball joint bolt is 100nm and should be replaced with new. (Or at least a new bolt is supplied with Lemforder bones.)

Title: Re: Desperate
Post by: danzigfan on 02 November 2013, 22:37:07
Also, check the caliper bolts are tight (sorry, but you never know)

And that the brake pads anti rattle springs are seated correctly.(  depends how bad the rattle is )


Thanks Chrisgixer for a hints where to search for a fault(s), the rainy sunday will be spent under miggy.
I really want to sort her out, Omegas are rare here and I don't want to neglect her, although she's over 15 years old now
Title: Re: Desperate
Post by: danzigfan on 02 November 2013, 22:38:11
The drop links weren't undone

I bet that was a struggle. Or did you undo the shock bolts?

Wishbone ball joint bolt is 100nm and should be replaced with new. (Or at least a new bolt is supplied with Lemforder bones.)

Old ones used again I'm afraid and no shock bolt undone
Title: Re: Desperate
Post by: chrisgixer on 02 November 2013, 22:41:17
There is a guide if that helps further.
Title: Re: Desperate
Post by: danzigfan on 02 November 2013, 22:44:46
There is a guide if that helps further.


..and you should live closer.... >:( ;D I'll search for it now and get under car early in the morning