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Title: Buyer beware...
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 16 January 2015, 17:23:26
I won't link to it, but that silver MV6 which has been doing the rounds has serious issues that the unwary might not spot... have taken the liberty of asking the seller three questions, the most important of which is regarding the service history...

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Hi there, I am considering your car, and had a few questions...

1.  You say it has a limited slip diff. Apparently it was never built with one. When was it fitted and what proof is there of this.

2. When was the car reupholstered, and again what evidence of this is there? Vauxhall never offered nappa leather on the Omega.

3. Looking at the service history, the car was serviced on the 8/11/12 at 79k and four stamps later it seems to have been serviced again on 7/11/12 at 98k. Which is correct and are there any receipts to back this up?
I will post the answers, if any, when they arrive...
Title: Re: Buyer beware...
Post by: Toledodude1973 on 16 January 2015, 17:31:48
Answers should be good :D :D
Title: Re: Buyer beware...
Post by: andyc on 16 January 2015, 17:42:59
Pint says you won't get a reply  :y

Andy
Title: Re: Buyer beware...
Post by: plym ian on 16 January 2015, 18:19:06
Pint says you won't get a reply  :y

Andy
two pints says it gets taken down :y
Title: Re: Buyer beware...
Post by: Field Marshal Dr. Opti on 16 January 2015, 18:45:54
This post may save someone tears before bedtime. :y
Title: Re: Buyer beware...
Post by: The Sheriff on 16 January 2015, 19:19:57
This post may save someone tears before bedtime. :y
Nah. Some poor bugger will buy an omega today.
Title: Re: Buyer beware...
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 16 January 2015, 19:43:45
I won't link to it, but that silver MV6 which has been doing the rounds has serious issues that the unwary might not spot... have taken the liberty of asking the seller three questions, the most important of which is regarding the service history...

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Hi there, I am considering your car, and had a few questions...

1.  You say it has a limited slip diff. Apparently it was never built with one. When was it fitted and what proof is there of this.

2. When was the car reupholstered, and again what evidence of this is there? Vauxhall never offered nappa leather on the Omega.

3. Looking at the service history, the car was serviced on the 8/11/12 at 79k and four stamps later it seems to have been serviced again on 7/11/12 at 98k. Which is correct and are there any receipts to back this up?
I will post the answers, if any, when they arrive...

Well that looks like I am owed three pints then...

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i was told the car has lsd by previous owner also the leather is different to elite models the service history both dates are 7-11-12 98k Vauxhall made a mistake and entered it twice in the service book in the pictures looks like 8 but its 7 also mileage looks like 79 but is actually 98 you can even phone the Vauxhall dealer yourself to verify history thx

Which leads me to ask the following...

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Hi there,

I take it then that the previous owner had no paperwork to verify the differential change then, as I have a mate who is a service manager at a Vauxhall dealership, and he has been able to get the factory build data from the factory. No mention of a limited slip diff on the build sheet...

Yes the sports seats are a different shape to the Elite ones, but the leather is the same. Neither model had Nappa leather from new.

Regarding the service history, I understand that mistakes happen, but that doesn't explain how Service number 8 was filled in by accident over two years after Service number 9.

Again, do you have any paperwork to corroberate what you are claiming?

Again, I shall keep you posted with any reply...
Title: Re: Buyer beware...
Post by: 05omegav6 on 16 January 2015, 20:17:01
This post may save someone tears before bedtime. :y
Nah. Some poor bugger will buy an omega today.
Just maybe not this one by the sounds of it :-\
Title: Re: Buyer beware...
Post by: Kevin Wood on 16 January 2015, 20:23:13
Hmm. What next? Silence, or join the forum and come and flounce? ;D
Title: Re: Buyer beware...
Post by: 05omegav6 on 16 January 2015, 20:31:06
Hmm. What next? Silence, or join the forum and come and flounce? ;D
Should I get the popcorn ready? ::)
Title: Re: Buyer beware...
Post by: biggriffin on 16 January 2015, 20:31:35
Hmmm.name change buy deed pole. Dr :-X
Title: Re: Buyer beware...
Post by: minifreek on 16 January 2015, 20:39:43
Forgive me for being thick but what is Nappa leather...?
Title: Re: Buyer beware...
Post by: 4x4 on 16 January 2015, 20:43:18
https://pierotucci.wordpress.com/2012/05/12/what-exactly-is-napa-leather/

I wouldnt have that as an interior leather then,its light weight stuff .
Title: Re: Buyer beware...
Post by: 05omegav6 on 16 January 2015, 20:43:57
Forgive me for being thick but what is Nappa leather...?
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nappa_leather :y

If Vauxhall put Nappa leather in the anything, it would be all over the brochure...

Indeed BG, more high end fashion items :y
Title: Re: Buyer beware...
Post by: Kevin Wood on 16 January 2015, 20:48:19
Hmm. What next? Silence, or join the forum and come and flounce? ;D
Should I get the popcorn ready? ::)
You'll never guess what I'm currently eating, in front of a DVD. :D
Title: Re: Buyer beware...
Post by: The Sheriff on 16 January 2015, 20:49:45
Hmm. What next? Silence, or join the forum and come and flounce? ;D
Should I get the popcorn ready? ::)
You'll never guess what I'm currently eating, in front of a DVD. :D
Ice cream? :-\
Title: Re: Buyer beware...
Post by: 05omegav6 on 16 January 2015, 20:49:55
Fancy that... ;D
Title: Re: Buyer beware...
Post by: ted_one on 16 January 2015, 21:08:15
Curry flavour? :-\
Title: Re: Buyer beware...
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 16 January 2015, 21:18:46
I won't link to it, but that silver MV6 which has been doing the rounds has serious issues that the unwary might not spot... have taken the liberty of asking the seller three questions, the most important of which is regarding the service history...

Quote
Hi there, I am considering your car, and had a few questions...

1.  You say it has a limited slip diff. Apparently it was never built with one. When was it fitted and what proof is there of this.

2. When was the car reupholstered, and again what evidence of this is there? Vauxhall never offered nappa leather on the Omega.

3. Looking at the service history, the car was serviced on the 8/11/12 at 79k and four stamps later it seems to have been serviced again on 7/11/12 at 98k. Which is correct and are there any receipts to back this up?
I will post the answers, if any, when they arrive...

Well that looks like I am owed three pints then...

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i was told the car has lsd by previous owner also the leather is different to elite models the service history both dates are 7-11-12 98k Vauxhall made a mistake and entered it twice in the service book in the pictures looks like 8 but its 7 also mileage looks like 79 but is actually 98 you can even phone the Vauxhall dealer yourself to verify history thx

Which leads me to ask the following...

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Hi there,

I take it then that the previous owner had no paperwork to verify the differential change then, as I have a mate who is a service manager at a Vauxhall dealership, and he has been able to get the factory build data from the factory. No mention of a limited slip diff on the build sheet...

Yes the sports seats are a different shape to the Elite ones, but the leather is the same. Neither model had Nappa leather from new.

Regarding the service history, I understand that mistakes happen, but that doesn't explain how Service number 8 was filled in by accident over two years after Service number 9.

Again, do you have any paperwork to corroberate what you are claiming?

Again, I shall keep you posted with any reply...

Well, if it's double or quits, I am up six pints...

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i sent the service book back to Vauxhall as 2 service stamps were not stamped the last 2 stamps they stamped but stamped the same one again thx

So what the seller is saying is that the dealer stamped the book for the wrong services in the wrong place... ::)

Still no mention of receipts to back this up, so I asked again...

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Do you, or do you not have any paperwork or receipts to confirm any of what you have told me?

It's not a trick question (well it sort of is) which only needs a simple Yes or No answer, but one he does seem frustratingly keen to avoid answering...
Title: Re: Buyer beware...
Post by: 05omegav6 on 16 January 2015, 21:20:54
Curry flavour? :-\
Hmm tikka popcorn... :-\
Title: Re: Buyer beware...
Post by: The Sheriff on 16 January 2015, 21:21:49
I'd be fickin keen to avoid someone like you as well  ;D

My reply would be "D'yer wanna buy it? No? Well piss off then".  ;D
Title: Re: Buyer beware...
Post by: The Sheriff on 16 January 2015, 21:22:30
Curry flavour? :-\
Hmm tikka popcorn... :-\
Stop interrupting while I'm answering a post, you.
Title: Re: Buyer beware...
Post by: 05omegav6 on 16 January 2015, 21:23:24
Curry flavour? :-\
Hmm tikka popcorn... :-\
Stop interrupting while I'm answering a post, you.
Moi... ::)
Title: Re: Buyer beware...
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 16 January 2015, 22:02:48
I won't link to it, but that silver MV6 which has been doing the rounds has serious issues that the unwary might not spot... have taken the liberty of asking the seller three questions, the most important of which is regarding the service history...

Quote
Hi there, I am considering your car, and had a few questions...

1.  You say it has a limited slip diff. Apparently it was never built with one. When was it fitted and what proof is there of this.

2. When was the car reupholstered, and again what evidence of this is there? Vauxhall never offered nappa leather on the Omega.

3. Looking at the service history, the car was serviced on the 8/11/12 at 79k and four stamps later it seems to have been serviced again on 7/11/12 at 98k. Which is correct and are there any receipts to back this up?
I will post the answers, if any, when they arrive...

Well that looks like I am owed three pints then...

Quote
i was told the car has lsd by previous owner also the leather is different to elite models the service history both dates are 7-11-12 98k Vauxhall made a mistake and entered it twice in the service book in the pictures looks like 8 but its 7 also mileage looks like 79 but is actually 98 you can even phone the Vauxhall dealer yourself to verify history thx

Which leads me to ask the following...

Quote
Hi there,

I take it then that the previous owner had no paperwork to verify the differential change then, as I have a mate who is a service manager at a Vauxhall dealership, and he has been able to get the factory build data from the factory. No mention of a limited slip diff on the build sheet...

Yes the sports seats are a different shape to the Elite ones, but the leather is the same. Neither model had Nappa leather from new.

Regarding the service history, I understand that mistakes happen, but that doesn't explain how Service number 8 was filled in by accident over two years after Service number 9.

Again, do you have any paperwork to corroberate what you are claiming?

Again, I shall keep you posted with any reply...

Well, if it's double or quits, I am up six pints...

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i sent the service book back to Vauxhall as 2 service stamps were not stamped the last 2 stamps they stamped but stamped the same one again thx

So what the seller is saying is that the dealer stamped the book for the wrong services in the wrong place... ::)

Still no mention of receipts to back this up, so I asked again...

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Do you, or do you not have any paperwork or receipts to confirm any of what you have told me?

It's not a trick question (well it sort of is) which only needs a simple Yes or No answer, but one he does seem frustratingly keen to avoid answering...

Well I'll be blowed... Three for three...

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no

And my reply...

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Ok, thank you for your honesty.

There's no point asking if the car has had all the usual Omega issues addressed then, as without proof of any of the work being done I would assume that they will all need urgent attention.

You might wish to reword your listing to correct ALL the inaccuracies in it, as your answers are public knowledge.

Good luck with the sale....
Title: Re: Buyer beware... KM52HPO
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 16 January 2015, 22:13:46
So to be clear, whilst this might be a clean and well cared for car, it has NO reliable history, so anyone considering buying it would be well advised to budget for the following:

Front wishbones
Steering idler
Camcover gaskets
Breather clean (alleged main dealer servicing)
Full service including plugs
Cambelt
Gearbox fluid and filter
Heater Bypass Valve
Coilpacks

So Dr Optis appraisal of the value, (£750ish) is probably much nearer the mark than £1750...

Incidentally, the sellers reply to my last message was simply...

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ok
Title: Re: Buyer beware...
Post by: 4x4 on 16 January 2015, 22:15:28
I presume he replied ok as he got rumbled  ;D ;D
Title: Re: Buyer beware...
Post by: Vamps on 16 January 2015, 22:44:26
OK. I might be missing something, put it down to age,................. but what is wrong with those seats, other than they are leather, they are Omega seats, but I don't like leather...... :-\
Title: Re: Buyer beware...
Post by: 4x4 on 16 January 2015, 22:46:52
He stated they were nappa leather,trying to make it sound very good lol
Title: Re: Buyer beware...
Post by: Vamps on 16 January 2015, 22:49:05
He stated they were nappa leather,trying to make it sound very good lol

Thanks for that........... :y :y
Title: Re: Buyer beware...
Post by: Steve B on 16 January 2015, 23:20:54
Vamps....Were you interested then  :-\
Title: Re: Buyer beware...
Post by: Vamps on 16 January 2015, 23:38:14
Vamps....Were you interested then  :-\

Nope, though I did see a very nice 2.2 sport on Auto Trader........... ;) ;) :y
Title: Re: Buyer beware...
Post by: Field Marshal Dr. Opti on 17 January 2015, 00:07:03
Vamps....Were you interested then  :-\

Nope, though I did see a very nice 2.2 sport on Auto Trader........... ;) ;) :y

Two pistons missing. ::) ::) ;)
Title: Re: Buyer beware...
Post by: Vamps on 17 January 2015, 00:26:07
Vamps....Were you interested then  :-\

Nope, though I did see a very nice 2.2 sport on Auto Trader........... ;) ;) :y

Two pistons missing. ::) ::) ;)

Nothing wrong with a 4 pot................ :y :y
Title: Re: Buyer beware...
Post by: Steve B on 17 January 2015, 00:31:57
Vamps....Were you interested then  :-\

Nope, though I did see a very nice 2.2 sport on Auto Trader........... ;) ;) :y

Two pistons missing. ::) ::) ;)

Nothing wrong with a 4 pot................ :y :y
2.6 is not much better than a 4 pot  ;D ;D ;D just harder to work on  :y
Title: Re: Buyer beware...
Post by: Vamps on 18 January 2015, 00:35:49
Vamps....Were you interested then  :-\

Nope, though I did see a very nice 2.2 sport on Auto Trader........... ;) ;) :y

Two pistons missing. ::) ::) ;)

Nothing wrong with a 4 pot................ :y :y
2.6 is not much better than a 4 pot  ;D ;D ;D just harder to work on  :y

Giving higher costs at the garage, we have one, so can compare costs with previous 4 pot's............... :'( :'(

I am looking, as future plans may mean selling the Honda, and we could do with an Estate........ :y :y
Title: Re: Buyer beware...
Post by: omega3000 on 18 January 2015, 07:17:42
Vamps....Were you interested then  :-\

Nope, though I did see a very nice 2.2 sport on Auto Trader........... ;) ;) :y

Two pistons missing. ::) ::) ;)

Nothing wrong with a 4 pot................ :y :y

I was sceptical of the 2.2 but having witnessed its capabilities it has more than enough power for everyday driving , easier to work on too  ;)
Title: Re: Buyer beware...
Post by: 4x4 on 18 January 2015, 09:06:53
Ahh emd must e referring to my might truck then  ;D
Title: Re: Buyer beware...
Post by: omega3000 on 18 January 2015, 09:10:30
Ahh emd must e referring to my might truck then  ;D

Yeah , got plenty of go in it and tows the tin tent like its not there  :) There's a nice green 2.2 sport on a'trader that i was tempted to buy  ;D
Title: Re: Buyer beware...
Post by: TheBoy on 18 January 2015, 10:47:59
Vamps....Were you interested then  :-\

Nope, though I did see a very nice 2.2 sport on Auto Trader........... ;) ;) :y

Two pistons missing. ::) ::) ;)

Nothing wrong with a 4 pot................ :y :y

I was sceptical of the 2.2 but having witnessed its capabilities it has more than enough power for everyday driving , easier to work on too  ;)
Have you been drinking Mr EMD :P

Actually the 2.2 is adequate.  If using for towing, I think I'd stick to manual, which IIRC nay be an issue for you?
Title: Re: Buyer beware...
Post by: omega3000 on 18 January 2015, 10:55:43
Vamps....Were you interested then  :-\

Nope, though I did see a very nice 2.2 sport on Auto Trader........... ;) ;) :y

Two pistons missing. ::) ::) ;)

Nothing wrong with a 4 pot................ :y :y

I was sceptical of the 2.2 but having witnessed its capabilities it has more than enough power for everyday driving , easier to work on too  ;)
Have you been drinking Mr EMD :P

Actually the 2.2 is adequate.  If using for towing, I think I'd stick to manual, which IIRC nay be an issue for you?

Just saying that green 2.2 sport on a'trader is a lovely car and one i would go for if looking to buy if it was auto though  :) Looks immaculate  :-\
Title: Re: Buyer beware...
Post by: Field Marshal Dr. Opti on 18 January 2015, 11:04:19
Vamps....Were you interested then  :-\

Nope, though I did see a very nice 2.2 sport on Auto Trader........... ;) ;) :y

Two pistons missing. ::) ::) ;)

Nothing wrong with a 4 pot................ :y :y
2.6 is not much better than a 4 pot  ;D ;D ;D just harder to work on  :y

This part of the equation is certainly true. :D ;D
Title: Re: Buyer beware...
Post by: Field Marshal Dr. Opti on 18 January 2015, 11:07:25
Vamps....Were you interested then  :-\

Nope, though I did see a very nice 2.2 sport on Auto Trader........... ;) ;) :y

Two pistons missing. ::) ::) ;)

Nothing wrong with a 4 pot................ :y :y

Before I bought my first 'proper' Omega (a 3.2 plod V6 estate) I had a test drive in a 2.0 Auto estate.

Oh dear. :-\ :-\ ;D
Title: Re: Buyer beware...
Post by: omega3000 on 18 January 2015, 11:15:57
Vamps....Were you interested then  :-\

Nope, though I did see a very nice 2.2 sport on Auto Trader........... ;) ;) :y

Two pistons missing. ::) ::) ;)

Nothing wrong with a 4 pot................ :y :y

Before I bought my first 'proper' Omega (a 3.2 plod V6 estate) I had a test drive in a 2.0 Auto estate.

Oh dear. :-\ :-\ ;D

2.0 much less power delivery than the 2.2 mr opti and being the estate version would be struggling to pull skin off a rice pudding  ::)
Title: Re: Buyer beware...
Post by: TheBoy on 18 January 2015, 11:19:52
Vamps....Were you interested then  :-\

Nope, though I did see a very nice 2.2 sport on Auto Trader........... ;) ;) :y

Two pistons missing. ::) ::) ;)

Nothing wrong with a 4 pot................ :y :y

Before I bought my first 'proper' Omega (a 3.2 plod V6 estate) I had a test drive in a 2.0 Auto estate.

Oh dear. :-\ :-\ ;D

2.0 much less power delivery than the 2.2 mr opti and being the estate version would be struggling to pull skin off a rice pudding  ::)
In reality, not a huge amount between them.
Title: Re: Buyer beware...
Post by: 05omegav6 on 19 January 2015, 16:39:46
2.0 16v manual went ok, but quite thrashy... 2.2 is more refined, but nothing like as smooth as the v6 :y

2.6 auto is fine for wafting around with decent overtaking capability,  2.6 manual is probably a better drivers car than the auto, but the 3.2 is the Daddy regardless of gearbox 8)
Title: Re: Buyer beware...
Post by: Kevin Wood on 19 January 2015, 16:57:26
Yep. 2.2 is no good for overtaking and just usable for towing.
2.6 is OK for overtaking and OK for towing.
3.2 is great for overtaking while towing 27' of glider trailer. ::)
Title: Re: Buyer beware...
Post by: TheBoy on 19 January 2015, 17:36:17
2.0 16v manual went ok, but quite thrashy... 2.2 is more refined, but nothing like as smooth as the v6 :y

2.6 auto is fine for wafting around with decent overtaking capability,  2.6 manual is probably a better drivers car than the auto, but the 3.2 is the Daddy regardless of gearbox 8)
Now we know the 3.0l is the best engine that Omegas left the factory with. The 3.2 is a pale immitation
Title: Re: Buyer beware...
Post by: 05omegav6 on 19 January 2015, 17:46:12
2.0 16v manual went ok, but quite thrashy... 2.2 is more refined, but nothing like as smooth as the v6 :y

2.6 auto is fine for wafting around with decent overtaking capability,  2.6 manual is probably a better drivers car than the auto, but the 3.2 is the Daddy regardless of gearbox 8)
Now we know the 3.0l is the best engine that Omegas left the factory with. The 3.2 is a pale immitation
All that public transport has confuddled you ;D
Title: Re: Buyer beware...
Post by: TheBoy on 19 January 2015, 17:51:30
2.0 16v manual went ok, but quite thrashy... 2.2 is more refined, but nothing like as smooth as the v6 :y

2.6 auto is fine for wafting around with decent overtaking capability,  2.6 manual is probably a better drivers car than the auto, but the 3.2 is the Daddy regardless of gearbox 8)
Now we know the 3.0l is the best engine that Omegas left the factory with. The 3.2 is a pale immitation
All that public transport has confuddled you ;D
I'd agree that the 3.2 is better than anything the Chiltern Slug can offer.  If only it didn't keep stalling ;D. Still, "not my effing car"