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Chat Area => General Car Chat => Topic started by: P6UL K on 14 April 2015, 20:17:26
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Almost as rare as the 3.2s lately!
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http://www.autotrader.co.uk/used-cars/vauxhall/omega/used-vauxhall-omega-2-5-td-cdx-4dr-leicester-fpa-201504132567910?logcode=p (http://www.autotrader.co.uk/used-cars/vauxhall/omega/used-vauxhall-omega-2-5-td-cdx-4dr-leicester-fpa-201504132567910?logcode=p) :y
See what a mean about the mpg though Paul?
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Even so, its...
Extra Urban mpg 40.4 mpg
Average mpg 31.4 mpg
Which is miles better than my Omega :D
On the hunt for a late F/L Elite as already discussed 8)
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Almost as rare as the 3.2s lately!
They're old, knackered and have expensive problems. Plus, they're slow and not particularly economical. Same as the BMWs that engine was fitted to.
A better question might be Why were they that popular?
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Almost as rare as the 3.2s lately!
They're old, knackered and have expensive problems. Plus, they're slow and not particularly economical. Same as the BMWs that engine was fitted to.
A better question might be Why were they that popular?
No more expensive than a petrol Omega and far more reliable and wanted than the 4-pot 2.2! Plus with minimal expense a 2.5 can be revitalised to the same if not more bhp as the equivalent engine that was in the BMWs, they're only slow because Vx de-tuned them! ::)
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Even so, its...
Extra Urban mpg 40.4 mpg
Average mpg 31.4 mpg
Which is miles better than my Omega :D
On the hunt for a late F/L Elite as already discussed 8)
I think those figures are a bit optimistic to be honest, I'd be surprised if you managed more than 25mpg on average with the auto box :-\
I'm fairly sure that the last ones fitted with this engine would be a 2000 MY, when Vauxhall switched over to the 2.2dti lump. I stand to be corrected though :y
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My mate has that exact engine in his BMW 325TD Auto Tourer and he seems ok with the MPG he is getting... I'm not overly bother tbh, I'd quite like the auto but would have a manual.
If i was i wouldn't already own a 3.2 Miggy and a 3.1 Trooper huh! :y
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Almost as rare as the 3.2s lately!
They're old, knackered and have expensive problems. Plus, they're slow and not particularly economical. Same as the BMWs that engine was fitted to.
A better question might be Why were they that popular?
No more expensive than a petrol Omega and far more reliable and wanted than the 4-pot 2.2! Plus with minimal expense a 2.5 can be revitalised to the same if not more bhp as the equivalent engine that was in the BMWs, they're only slow because Vx de-tuned them! ::)
Last time I looked petrol Omegas didn't have a turbo or diesel fuel pump/injectors. Although they do both have the same suspension issues that make an Omega an expensive car if you have to pay someone to fix it.
And I've tried diesel 525Ds, they're barely any better than a 518 which is the definition of 'sluggish'.'
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What about importing a rust free 2.5 DTi Opel Omega from somewhere in Europe more rust free? Wouldn't be cheap to buy compared to UK. Would be more economical and is the same vehicle but with possibly more extras than UK Elites. E.g. DVD player, electric folding mirrors I think. Would also be LHD which would be a pain for overtaking.
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What about importing a rust free 2.5 DTi Opel Omega from somewhere in Europe more rust free? Wouldn't be cheap to buy compared to UK. Would be more economical and is the same vehicle but with possibly more extras than UK Elites. E.g. DVD player, electric folding mirrors I think. Would also be LHD which would be a pain for overtaking.
Did think about that for myself, but the LHD thing is the real pain.
Been on the look out for a decent FL 2.5TD Manual Estate in Black for years now, not that bothered about model / spec as that can always be sorted. I did pick up a nice cheap 2.5td FL Estate GLS one in Red a few years back, but moved it on, on reflection wish I had kept it now. ::)
Looks like an LPG convert is still on the cards for my 3.2 Special Manual Estate. ;)
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http://www.milanuncios.com/opel-omega-de-segunda-mano/?demanda=n&anod=2001&anoh=2004&combustible=diesel
Selection here(but includes some 2.5 motor BMW 130hp)
As you say the LHD thing is a real pain. Can't imagine it being cheap to convert to RHD despite availabilty of parts.
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http://www.milanuncios.com/opel-omega-de-segunda-mano/?demanda=n&anod=2001&anoh=2004&combustible=diesel
Selection here(but includes some 2.5 motor BMW 130hp)
As you say the LHD thing is a real pain. Can't imagine it being cheap to convert to RHD despite availabilty of parts.
Buy a cheap RHD donor car and use the bits from that to make RHD.
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I commend you on your observation skills Nick W, your a credit to this forum :y ::)
Can you let me know where i said you would be covering my maintenance bills? No, I thought not... I do all my own repairs and running maintenance seeing as your so desperate to put a negative spin on my thread why don't you kindly keep your thoughts to yourself :-X I'll be getting one at somepoint and when i do I'll make sure i come to Chatham and show you how 'sluggish' it is! :P
I'm in no real hurry to buy, I can wait and importing a LHD is an option but one that is last on the list - I'm not that desperate for one! lol
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You asked where they had gone. I would have given the same answer if you'd asked about 525.diesels, 2.9 Scorpios, mk3 Tdci Mondeos or E-class Mercs.
They are simply at that point of their life that for most people the costs of ownership outweigh any benefits. This makes their value drop through the floor, and a vicious circle starts that leads to most of them being scrapped.
How is any of that a dig at you? It certainly wasn't meant that way.
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Almost as rare as the 3.2s lately!
They're old, knackered and have expensive problems. Plus, they're slow and not particularly economical. Same as the BMWs that engine was fitted to.
A better question might be Why were they that popular?
I'll let you know when I find these issues of which you speak. I've had my TD Estate for 16 years and love it, and apart from welding on 4 corners, have had no serious problems. :y
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My mate has that exact engine in his BMW 325TD Auto Tourer and he seems ok with the MPG he is getting... I'm not overly bother tbh, I'd quite like the auto but would have a manual.
If i was i wouldn't already own a 3.2 Miggy and a 3.1 Trooper huh! :y
Mine is a chipped auto, and I get 25 on my short local journeys, and 33 on motorway runs. :y
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My mate has that exact engine in his BMW 325TD Auto Tourer and he seems ok with the MPG he is getting... I'm not overly bother tbh, I'd quite like the auto but would have a manual.
If i was i wouldn't already own a 3.2 Miggy and a 3.1 Trooper huh! :y
Mine is a chipped auto, and I get 25 on my short local journeys, and 33 on motorway runs. :y
Sounds good enough to me! 8)
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My mate has that exact engine in his BMW 325TD Auto Tourer and he seems ok with the MPG he is getting... I'm not overly bother tbh, I'd quite like the auto but would have a manual.
If i was i wouldn't already own a 3.2 Miggy and a 3.1 Trooper huh! :y
Mine is a chipped auto, and I get 25 on my short local journeys, and 33 on motorway runs. :y
I did a 340 mile round trip over the weekend to didcot and bake which admittedly is almost all dual carriage way and motorway.
Set the mid all to zero at home and it told me I had achieved 51.2 mpg over that distance but my mph average was only at 48
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My mate has that exact engine in his BMW 325TD Auto Tourer and he seems ok with the MPG he is getting... I'm not overly bother tbh, I'd quite like the auto but would have a manual.
If i was i wouldn't already own a 3.2 Miggy and a 3.1 Trooper huh! :y
Mine is a chipped auto, and I get 25 on my short local journeys, and 33 on motorway runs. :y
A manual 3.2 should match that ::)
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My mate has that exact engine in his BMW 325TD Auto Tourer and he seems ok with the MPG he is getting... I'm not overly bother tbh, I'd quite like the auto but would have a manual.
If i was i wouldn't already own a 3.2 Miggy and a 3.1 Trooper huh! :y
Mine is a chipped auto, and I get 25 on my short local journeys, and 33 on motorway runs. :y
A manual 3.2 should match that ::)
My 3.2 Auto is about the same :y
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Which makes the extra cost of diesel fuel reason enough not to bother...
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Which makes the extra cost of diesel fuel reason enough not to bother...
Yes, was going to say that my 3.2 could match that on cheaper fuel, with more power available, a quieter engine, sensible oil change intervals, etc... QED
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Yep, add in lift pump costs and lack of reliability, cracked heads, melted engine mounts, turbos and injector costs as Nick says. They really don't make sense ESP next to a gassed 3.2.
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Yep, add in lift pump costs and lack of reliability, cracked heads, melted engine mounts, turbos and injector costs as Nick says. They really don't make sense ESP next to a gassed 3.2.
Cheer me up why don't you. ;D
My experience of running both, even with the lower annual mileage I cover in the 3.2, is that maintenance is simpler and less often required on the TD. Giving a hostage to fortune, I have never had a problem with any of the above in 16 years of TD ownership. :y
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Yep, add in lift pump costs and lack of reliability, cracked heads, melted engine mounts, turbos and injector costs as Nick says. They really don't make sense ESP next to a gassed 3.2.
Cheer me up why don't you. ;D
My experience of running both, even with the lower annual mileage I cover in the 3.2, is that maintenance is simpler and less often required on the TD. Giving a hostage to fortune, I have never had a problem with any of the above in 16 years of TD ownership. :y
Oh don't get me wrong, 3.2 has its faults as we all know. But they are much better documented on here. TB had agro with his [carrots on]Traaarcderrr[carrots off] iirc.
BMW diseasel lumps all pretty much have the same faults. Even in BMW cars. 120k on and savings for disasters have all gone. Sooner in some cases. Especially among those who still commute.
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Oh don't get me wrong, 3.2 has its faults as we all know. But they are much better documented on here. TB had agro with his [carrots on]Traaarcderrr[carrots off] iirc.
Just a little. How many times did we have the engine out? :o
Thing is, the 3.2 very rarely has a major issue. OK, it needs cam belt changes and the occasional cam cover gasket.
The 2.5TD has an troublesome cooling system and, at the slightest hint of overheating, the head warps. Fine if you never have a problem, but, if you do, it turns into months of looking for water leaks and chasing your tail before the inevitable.
Plus the sensitivity to oil changes. If you're lucky enough to get one early in its' life before it's been abused, then fair do's, but that isn't going to happen any more. The chances of finding a TD that hasn't had at least one owner who's had it for a couple of years yet never lifted the bonnet are slim, hence the rot has set in with most of them.
BMW diseasel lumps all pretty much have the same faults. Even in BMW cars. 120k on and savings for disasters have all gone. Sooner in some cases. Especially among those who still commute.
The Omega's era of TD is reliable in comparison to the later common rail engines yet not really economical enough to make it worthwhile. I would imagine the common rail engines probably go some way to sorting the economy, but look at the hassle people have with those!
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It may be that there is limited experience because of the low numbers of TD's on here. Seth, I know, was very happy with his, as am I, having only had a condenser and AC Compressor change, together with the aforementioned welding, as above and beyond normal items in my 16 years of ownership. Wishbones, gloplugs etc. I deem to be normal maintenance.:y
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Then there's the auto box issues, as the op touched, on. The ar25 can barely cope with oe mapping. Never mind the re map to make it useable. Ar35 a must.
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Then there's the auto box issues, as the op touched, on. The ar25 can barely cope with oe mapping. Never mind the re map to make it useable. Ar35 a must.
True, and that the ratios in the autobox aren't really ideal for a diesel engine in the first place.
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Then there's the auto box issues, as the op touched, on. The ar25 can barely cope with oe mapping. Never mind the re map to make it useable. Ar35 a must.
True, and that the ratios in the autobox aren't really ideal for a diesel engine in the first place.
I can't argue with that, but have found ways to compensate successfully by using 3rd and sport mode to overcome this issue. :y
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Even so, its...
Extra Urban mpg 40.4 mpg
Average mpg 31.4 mpg
Which is miles better than my Omega :D
On the hunt for a late F/L Elite as already discussed 8)
Having owned a few Omega TD's, think your struggle to get them figures with an Auto imho Paul.
Manual is the way to go on them, used to get 35 mpg all day long in and out of London, with my old Manual Estate, and that was with a boot of full of heavy crap, ladders and topbox on the roof, on a Motorway run would see 40 to 45, or if not used as a Van and empty it would do 45 to 50 mpg
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I used to struggle to see 19mpg out of my old automatic 2.5TD around town :o
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And lets face it most manual 6pots are in Ireland being diffed, on whatever the onanists call it these days.... So hardly a reasoned purchase ::)
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Almost as rare as the 3.2s lately!
Another black (the faster model) Elite TD on the Bay. :y
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Almost as rare as the 3.2s lately!
Another black (the faster model) Elite TD on the Bay. :y
Nice looking PFL that is too! 8)