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Title: will not fire
Post by: aiden on 19 December 2015, 13:38:06
hi
         new battery new crank sensor now wont start 2.5 v6 1998
                      now what can I do Aiden   
Title: Re: will not fire
Post by: zirk on 19 December 2015, 13:41:04
Genuine VX Sensor?, any fault codes.?
Title: Re: will not fire
Post by: aiden on 19 December 2015, 13:53:39
crank sensor from Vaux gateway code 59
Title: Re: will not fire
Post by: RobG on 19 December 2015, 14:06:47
crank sensor from Vaux gateway code 59
Genuine VX sensor, and new not secondhand?
Fault code relates to front multi-ram
Title: Re: will not fire
Post by: JamesV6CDX on 19 December 2015, 14:09:19
Decent amount of fuel in the tank?

Title: Re: will not fire
Post by: zirk on 19 December 2015, 14:15:49
Decent amount of fuel in the tank?
Could be, Estates are not very forgiving if parked on the slightest of slops and are a bit low on fuel. Where you trying to start it with the front still jacked.
Title: Re: will not fire
Post by: RobG on 19 December 2015, 14:18:10
3 questions and no answers even though OP is online. What`s the point :-\ :-\
Title: Re: will not fire
Post by: aiden on 19 December 2015, 14:19:49
20 itr of fuel on flat surface, which is the front multi ram
Title: Re: will not fire
Post by: tidla on 19 December 2015, 14:34:35
Ignore the multiram, wont stop it starting.

Did it run before?
Old school diagnostics of checking for a spark and fuel at the rail.(not at the same time thou)
Title: Re: will not fire
Post by: aiden on 19 December 2015, 14:40:49
it has been playing up for a few weeks got a new crank sensor went for a week, parked up went out 2 hours later no start
Title: Re: will not fire
Post by: RobG on 19 December 2015, 14:47:55
it has been playing up for a few weeks got a new crank sensor went for a week, parked up went out 2 hours later no start
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Genuine VX sensor, and new not secondhand?
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Genuine VX Sensor?,
Title: Re: will not fire
Post by: 05omegav6 on 19 December 2015, 14:51:08
crank sensor from Vaux gateway code 59

I am going to be rude, because it gets frustrating when people don't oppsing listen >:(

BUY A GENUINE NEW VAUXHALL SENSOR FROM A GENUINE VAUXHALL DEALER THAT YOU GENUINELY HAVE TO GO TO. BUYING USED/PATTERN SENSORS FROM ANYWHERE ELSE IS A WASTE OF YOUR MONEY AND EVERYBODY ELSES TIME.
Title: Re: will not fire
Post by: 05omegav6 on 19 December 2015, 14:53:11
it has been playing up for a few weeks got a new crank sensor went for a week, parked up went out 2 hours later no start
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Genuine VX sensor, and new not secondhand?
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Genuine VX Sensor?,
Gateway are a used parts supplier :-X
Title: Re: will not fire
Post by: RobG on 19 December 2015, 14:55:39
crank sensor from Vaux gateway code 59

I am going to be rude, because it gets frustrating when people don't oppsing listen >:(

BUY A GENUINE NEW VAUXHALL SENSOR FROM A GENUINE VAUXHALL DEALER THAT YOU GENUINELY HAVE TO GO TO. BUYING USED/PATTERN SENSORS FROM ANYWHERE ELSE IS A WASTE OF YOUR MONEY AND EVERYBODY ELSES TIME.
:y ;D
Title: Re: will not fire
Post by: aiden on 19 December 2015, 14:59:36
it is a new one £58
Title: Re: will not fire
Post by: Steve B on 19 December 2015, 15:00:57
it is a new one £58
But its not a real one  ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: will not fire
Post by: RobG on 19 December 2015, 15:03:21
it is a new one £58
In a sealed packet featuring the GM holographic logo and GM part number?
Title: Re: will not fire
Post by: aiden on 19 December 2015, 15:07:55
I will get one from Vauxhall on Monday and then we will see if that's the prob
Title: Re: will not fire
Post by: BazaJT on 19 December 2015, 15:29:15
I paid £66 for mine a few months ago.It came laid out full length in a long slim cardboard box,not coiled up in a plastic bag.However it did come over the counter at the local Vauxhall dealers.
Title: Re: will not fire
Post by: 05omegav6 on 19 December 2015, 15:41:03
I paid £66 for mine a few months ago.It came laid out full length in a long slim cardboard box,not coiled up in a plastic bag.However it did come over the counter at the local Vauxhall dealers.
Indeed :y they do tend to be boxed rather than bagged...
Title: Re: will not fire
Post by: biggriffin on 19 December 2015, 15:44:52
I paid £66 for mine a few months ago.It came laid out full length in a long slim cardboard box,not coiled up in a plastic bag.However it did come over the counter at the local Vauxhall dealers.
Indeed :y they do tend to be boxed rather than bagged...

Depends. I have bought both bagged and boxed.
Title: Re: will not fire
Post by: BazaJT on 19 December 2015, 15:47:25
Must admit I was a little surprised when I saw box,don't know why but I'd got it in my head it'd be in a bag,still every day's a schoolday :y
Title: Re: will not fire
Post by: aiden on 22 December 2015, 13:58:38
fitted a real crank sensor from Vauxhall, and still will not fire up, what else can it be , Aiden
Title: Re: will not fire
Post by: Tick Tock on 22 December 2015, 14:54:58
Old school diagnostics of checking for a spark and fuel at the rail.(not at the same time thou)

There's a clue!!!  :D

My DIS pack plug had become disconnected once - that won't throw up any codes.
Title: Re: will not fire
Post by: aiden on 22 December 2015, 15:14:46
still code 59 all plugs connected
Title: Re: will not fire
Post by: terry paget on 22 December 2015, 17:38:21
Oh dear. At this point I would check for fuel at rail when cranking starter, and spark at plugs, as advised earlier, and report back
Title: Re: will not fire
Post by: JamesV6CDX on 22 December 2015, 17:44:42
If you're still stuck when I'm home from hols (tomorrow night onwards) I am not a million miles away and can take a look if it helps :y
Title: Re: will not fire
Post by: aiden on 22 December 2015, 18:11:02
I will check fuel and plugs.
, then let you know if I need help, many thanks
Title: Re: will not fire
Post by: aiden on 22 December 2015, 18:23:33
what is the way to check spark plugs :)
Title: Re: will not fire
Post by: tunnie on 22 December 2015, 18:47:24
Not all the plugs will have failed, a plug issue would give you a miss-fire not a non starter. Also if a coil pack failed, it would only run on one bank.

Lack of fuel could be a problem, as not much else would stop it starting.

Other area to look at is the key, has it come apart recently? Is the immobiliser chip all present and correct? Is it locking and unlocking ok?
Title: Re: will not fire
Post by: terry paget on 22 December 2015, 19:01:08
Right. if you have a spare key, try it. One my son compalined his car would not start, it turned out he had dropped the key, the chip had fallen out, so it would not start. The spare key started it fine.
Or it could be fuel pump or fuel pump relay or even a fuse. Take off the fuel feed to fuel rail pipe, point it into a container, amd have the wife crank the engine. If no fuel, you have found your fault.
Title: Re: will not fire
Post by: tidla on 22 December 2015, 19:45:43
what is the way to check spark plugs :)

Use a known good plug, pull out the easiest ht lead, push in the plug and earth the threaded part on the plug.

(http://i1114.photobucket.com/albums/k536/tidla1/LOF%20176_zpsfnydpytu.jpg)
Title: Re: will not fire
Post by: tunnie on 22 December 2015, 20:07:30
what is the way to check spark plugs :)

Use a known good plug, pull out the easiest ht lead, push in the plug and earth the threaded part on the plug.



It's a 2.6 - No HT leads  :)

Edit. Sorry yes it's a 2.5. Getting confused with other thread
Title: Re: will not fire
Post by: aiden on 22 December 2015, 20:14:47
key is ok locks and unlocks, I think it is fuel related, where would the relay be
Title: Re: will not fire
Post by: JamesV6CDX on 22 December 2015, 20:46:15
key is ok locks and unlocks, I think it is fuel related, where would the relay be

No disrespect mate but you're missing the point. The key would still lock and unlock if the transponder was missing or faulty.

Please, please listen to our suggestions, advice and offers. Collectively us long standing forum members know these cars VERY well!!!!! :y

1) Have you a spare key?

2) try and start the car with it and post the result....

:y
Title: Re: will not fire
Post by: aiden on 22 December 2015, 20:54:02
tried the spare key still no joy
Title: Re: will not fire
Post by: omega2018 on 23 December 2015, 12:23:32
key is ok locks and unlocks, I think it is fuel related, where would the relay be
fuse box inside engine compartment (not cabin one)  next to battery, relay is one nearest n/s wing

Title: Re: will not fire
Post by: 05omegav6 on 23 December 2015, 12:32:49
key is ok locks and unlocks, I think it is fuel related, where would the relay be
fuse box inside engine compartment (not cabin one)  next to battery, relay is one nearest n/s wing
Both purple relays are relevant...

One powers fuel pump, tother powers injectors.
Title: Re: will not fire
Post by: tidla on 23 December 2015, 18:58:49
(http://i1114.photobucket.com/albums/k536/tidla1/fusebox_zpsakwkv5t8.png)

K49 relay
Title: Re: will not fire
Post by: VXL V6 on 23 December 2015, 19:04:55
Not all the plugs will have failed, a plug issue would give you a miss-fire not a non starter. Also if a coil pack failed, it would only run on one bank.

Lack of fuel could be a problem, as not much else would stop it starting.

Other area to look at is the key, has it come apart recently? Is the immobiliser chip all present and correct? Is it locking and unlocking ok?

This is a 2.5 so will have a single DIS not one per bank.  :)
Title: Re: will not fire
Post by: 05omegav6 on 23 December 2015, 19:32:50
Should still fire at least one cylinder and to be that bad it run like an utter dog for an age before completely dying on its arse...

2.6/3.2 is driveable with one coil pack unplugged...

Just don't try to overtake anything :-X
Title: Re: will not fire
Post by: aiden on 28 December 2015, 12:59:56
hi, good spark at plugs, have power to fuel pump, took pipes off turned engine over fuel not pumping out
Title: Re: will not fire
Post by: 05omegav6 on 28 December 2015, 15:14:35
hi, good spark at plugs, have power to fuel pump, took pipes off turned engine over fuel not pumping out
In which case there's either not enough fuel in the tank, or the pump is sticking or the injector relay has failed...
Title: Re: will not fire
Post by: aiden on 28 December 2015, 15:38:46
ordered a pump and go from there
Title: Re: will not fire
Post by: 05omegav6 on 28 December 2015, 18:09:45
ordered a pump and go from there
Doh.
Title: Re: will not fire
Post by: aiden on 02 January 2016, 14:38:59
well changed fuel pump, car started after a while ran for 4 mins the stopped waited 10 mins started again went about 3 miles stopped again, will it be a relay ?
Title: Re: will not fire
Post by: 05omegav6 on 02 January 2016, 16:36:29
well changed fuel pump, car started after a while ran for 4 mins the stopped waited 10 mins started again went about 3 miles stopped again, will it be a relay ?
Change both purple relays, unless one has a brown tinge to it, in which case just change that one.