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Chat Area => General Discussion Area => Topic started by: JamesV6CDX on 24 December 2015, 21:10:27
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As some may have seen in the "Where to buy a decent Elite" thread in General help, I was the highest bidder on eBay action for a nice looking 3.2 Elite only about 6/7 miles from me.
I decided for the money, to take a punt without seeing it. (I couldn't view before end of auction, I was abroad).
Before the auction end, the seller was very helpful and friendly, which inspired confidence. After I won, he was also prompt to reply. We arranged yesterday (23rd) that I would visit him after work today (24th), sort payment and paperwork, and then we would arrange to pay a local chap ( a pre agreed price of £50) to trailer it to me - thus avoiding the need to sort insurance and MOT etc.
I messaged the seller when I landed in the UK at 2000 hours last night to let him know I was home. I've sent him a couple of messages today asking for details (address and time) for logisitics, and leaving my number.
I haven't heard a Dickie bird, all day.
I'm not having a go at him as such, he was very helpful and may have had a genuine emergency or something today - it just seems odd that, on the day of doing the deed, I've not had any contact at all, not even a brief text to say there's an issue and he needs to rearrange.
As such I'm left not knowing if the transaction is still "on" or not. The recovery guy has also potentially lost out, both from other business he could have had tonight, and from this sale.
Grrrr!!!!!!! I have also not gone out all evening in case he called! I know people are busy on Christmas Eve, but, it was pre agreed, so I would have hoped for a message of some sort.
Most of all, I don't know if I'll get my Elite anymore! Thankfully I have not handed over any hard earned......
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Tell Jaime. He will be really sympathetic.
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Tell Jaime. He will be really sympathetic.
;D ;D :y
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Unfortunatley James one of perils of buying from an auction site. When the seller leaves a contact no. for questions (if he did) then as soon as auction is over , more so if the price was lowish, the seller gets flooded with calls from other buyers, offering more than the selling price. Had it happen to me on more than one occasion . Hopefully this may not be the case for you & this deal . Bit out of order if it is though , as you agreed & had put things in place for collection etc. Fingers crossed for you mate
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Tell Jaime. He will be really sympathetic.
Are you suggesting I'm an arse? Or that I think people stupid enough to use egay deserve all they get?
If so, correct on both counts ;D ;D ;D
Mr V6CDX, hope it works out for you, but you know it won't, as egay is universally full of selfish idiots who do not believe the rules apply to them.
There, that was almost sympathetic.
Fear not on missing your xmas eve phish up, I think I downed enough for us both :-[
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Nothing yet!
I will instead spend the funds on WIM treatment and a few bits on the 530d!
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Tell Jaime. He will be really sympathetic.
Are you suggesting I'm an arse? Or that I think people stupid enough to use egay deserve all they get?
If so, correct on both counts ;D ;D ;D
Mr V6CDX, hope it works out for you, but you know it won't, as egay is universally full of selfish idiots who do not believe the rules apply to them.
There, that was almost sympathetic.
Fear not on missing your xmas eve phish up, I think I downed enough for us both :-[
Kin ell, it must be Christmas :o ;D ;D
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I'd agreed to by fl 3.0 estate a few weeks ago but the bloke went away for 2 days and no contact. When he contacted me he told me that his wife had sold the car to someone else while he was away :( :( :(
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Nothing yet!
I will instead spend the funds on WIM treatment and a few bits on the 530d!
What do you expect from buying summat on Christmas eve ::) Seller could be away for a week, and whilst it's rude not to let you know, I wouldn't be to keen to advertise the fact either...
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Nothing yet!
I will instead spend the funds on WIM treatment and a few bits on the 530d!
What do you expect from buying summat on Christmas eve ::) Seller could be away for a week, and whilst it's rude not to let you know, I wouldn't be to keen to advertise the fact either...
I would usually wholeheartedly agree.
But what I'm saying is we mutually PRE AGEEED, on a previous date, to do the transaction and collection on the 24th, because Christmas Eve worked for us both. I would never *expect* it on Christmas Eve, but when someone agrees it, and doesn't honour it with no word of explanation, that's a bit odd, no? If he was away Christmas Eve, why would he agree to meet up on that date?
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Maybe his mate popped round and they had a bevvy or two and he forgot... Or maybe his parents house has been flooded and he's been a bit distracted... ::)
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It's not hard to send a text.... "Sorry I'm pissed/flooded/dead/etc" ::)
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I know when I sold my 2.6 on the bay in November I had people messaging me to end the auction early, also contacting me at the end of the auction offering more than the final bid to do the dirty on the winning bidder , I told them exactly what they could do with their ideas, perhaps your seller has been swayed like this I hope not though .
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He is localish. Knock on his door and ask him what the score is. Seemples. ;)
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Didn't get as far as being given an address :y
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Seller has made contact. Car is still available but logbook has been lost.
I replied saying I will still take it providing he knocks £25 off to cover the replacement v5.
He has declined that, because the car was cheap in the first place.
I'm between a rock and hard place. Yes it's only £25 and I could suck that up. But equally I bid the max I was prepared to pay, so shouldn't now have to pay more.
Thoughts? I know ultimately it depends how badly I want it. I don't want to back out of the deal and risk negative feedback. I equally don't want to lose an unexpected £25 :y
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James. if it really is a good car (and you know your Omegas), you will enjoym the benefits of the car long after the memory of the £25 has faded!
Also, could you not negotiate on the £25?
Ron.
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£25.00 not a fortune , five gallons of fuel if you look at it that way if it is what you really want & you've got it cheap bite the bullet & get it.
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Did he say what the delay was James?
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Did his original advert state that the V5 was missing? If not, he cannot claim £25 for something that should have been part of the deal.
Is all else fails, that would enable you to open a dispute with Ebay.
However, if he HAD declared that it was missing, he can say that you know what you were letting yourself in for.
Ron.
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Did his original advert state that the V5 was missing? If not, he cannot claim £25 for something that should have been part of the deal.
Is all else fails, that would enable you to open a dispute with Ebay.
However, if he HAD declared that it was missing, he can say that you know what you were letting yourself in for.
Ron.
No mention of missing v5 in ad
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mm without the v5 how is he proving legal ownership of a vehicle he is selling very cheaply ??? or am I being overly suspicious ???
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Seller has made contact. Car is still available but logbook has been lost.
I replied saying I will still take it providing he knocks £25 off to cover the replacement v5.
He has declined that, because the car was cheap in the first place.
I'm between a rock and hard place. Yes it's only £25 and I could suck that up. But equally I bid the max I was prepared to pay, so shouldn't now have to pay more.
Thoughts? I know ultimately it depends how badly I want it. I don't want to back out of the deal and risk negative feedback. I equally don't want to lose an unexpected £25 :y
James . .Does new owner does not have to pay the £25 ? I'm sure that fee only applies if you lose or want a replacement V5 in the same ownership . You can view & download a V62 online to check .
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Seller has made contact. Car is still available but logbook has been lost.
I replied saying I will still take it providing he knocks £25 off to cover the replacement v5.
He has declined that, because the car was cheap in the first place.
I'm between a rock and hard place. Yes it's only £25 and I could suck that up. But equally I bid the max I was prepared to pay, so shouldn't now have to pay more.
Thoughts? I know ultimately it depends how badly I want it. I don't want to back out of the deal and risk negative feedback. I equally don't want to lose an unexpected £25 :y
James . .Does new owner does not have to pay the £25 ? I'm sure that fee only applies if you lose or want a replacement V5 in the same ownership . You can view & download a V62 online to check .
Not sure that will work in this case ..
"You do not have to pay a fee in the following circumstances:
• If you are the new keeper and the previous keeper failed to tell us
about the change, you must have the ‘New keeper’s details’ section
(V5C/2) from the V5C and send it to us with this application form."
Without the V5 how does James get the new owner bit .. V5C/2 ?? the little green bit if memory serves ?? :(
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Seller has made contact. Car is still available but logbook has been lost.
I replied saying I will still take it providing he knocks £25 off to cover the replacement v5.
He has declined that, because the car was cheap in the first place.
I'm between a rock and hard place. Yes it's only £25 and I could suck that up. But equally I bid the max I was prepared to pay, so shouldn't now have to pay more.
Thoughts? I know ultimately it depends how badly I want it. I don't want to back out of the deal and risk negative feedback. I equally don't want to lose an unexpected £25 :y
James . .Does new owner does not have to pay the £25 ? I'm sure that fee only applies if you lose or want a replacement V5 in the same ownership . You can view & download a V62 online to check .
Not sure that will work in this case ..
"You do not have to pay a fee in the following circumstances:
• If you are the new keeper and the previous keeper failed to tell us
about the change, you must have the ‘New keeper’s details’ section
(V5C/2) from the V5C and send it to us with this application form."
Without the V5 how does James get the new owner bit .. V5C/2 ?? the little green bit if memory serves ?? :(
He doesn't,thats the problem as it can't be taxed without the ref number on the V5/V5C
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hyhe cant give you negative feedback if he is selling something that is not as advertised. If you want it, eat humble and buy it. But dont afraid of a negative strike as it will go against him if you file a case.
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I think that unless price can be re-negotiayed to take V5 into account then you'll have to stand the cost of one.Is the car taxed or on sorn?If on sorn I believe it can be taxed by using ref number on sorn paperwork?As has been said there could indeed be issues regarding legality of ownership-or have you had it H.P.I.'d? I've bought 4 cars from e-bay[including the present Elite] and have every one of them H.P.I.'d prior to placing a bid on them,no matter how cheap they were.
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Did his original advert state that the V5 was missing? If not, he cannot claim £25 for something that should have been part of the deal.
Is all else fails, that would enable you to open a dispute with Ebay.
However, if he HAD declared that it was missing, he can say that you know what you were letting yourself in for.
Ron.
No mention of missing v5 in ad
In which case the current owner should accept responsibility. Why should you be out of pocket, James?
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He's bleddy lucky you're still talking to him after 2 weeks of no contact following the end of auction. ::)
Walk away and bid again when he puts it back on ebay, he'll probably attract less bids second time round as everyone else that was interested will assume the car is shite and the previous winning bidder didn't complete on the sale! ;)
Also he should declare the lack of V5 on his next listing! ::) Although lets not hold our breath on that point!! :-X ;D
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He's bleddy lucky you're still talking to him after 2 weeks of no contact following the end of auction. ::)
Walk away and bid again when he puts it back on ebay, he'll probably attract less bids second time round as everyone else that was interested will assume the car is shite and the previous winning bidder didn't complete on the sale! ;)
Also he should declare the lack of V5 on his next listing! ::) Although lets not hold our breath on that point!! :-X ;D
Yes and yes.
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I'd walk away . . .too many if's on this . . . there will be others James
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He's bleddy lucky you're still talking to him after 2 weeks of no contact following the end of auction. ::)
Walk away and bid again when he puts it back on ebay, he'll probably attract less bids second time round as everyone else that was interested will assume the car is shite and the previous winning bidder didn't complete on the sale! ;)
Also he should declare the lack of V5 on his next listing! ::) Although lets not hold our breath on that point!! :-X ;D
I agree, and if he doesn't declare the missing V5 in his listing he could have dozens of OOFers Ebayers from all over the country asking if he has the V5 in his possession. ;) ;D
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Walk away. No ifs or buts
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mm without the v5 how is he proving legal ownership of a vehicle he is selling very cheaply ??? or am I being overly suspicious ???
From the front of your V5 (unless something changed very recently):
"THIS DOCUMENT IS NOT PROOF OF OWNERSHIP."
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mm without the v5 how is he proving legal ownership of a vehicle he is selling very cheaply ??? or am I being overly suspicious ???
From the front of your V5 (unless something changed very recently):
"THIS DOCUMENT IS NOT PROOF OF OWNERSHIP."
I agree .. but if Mr Brown of Lincoln is selling a car registered to Miss White of Stratford then more alarms ring and questions can be asked, than if Mr Brown of Lincoln is selling a car also registered to Mr Brown of Lincoln as there are far fewer alarm bells ringing. If Mr Brown cannot produce, or explain why he cannot produce, the registration document, then even more alarm bells ring ... IMHO
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mm without the v5 how is he proving legal ownership of a vehicle he is selling very cheaply ??? or am I being overly suspicious ???
Its no longer considered proof of ownership, legally.
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An egay seller cannot leave poor feedback, but can file a NPB
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mm without the v5 how is he proving legal ownership of a vehicle he is selling very cheaply ??? or am I being overly suspicious ???
Its no longer considered proof of ownership, legally.
A scrawled bill of sale has more creedence than a V5.
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Spoken to the seller at length today.
I am satisfied he is selling this on behalf of his parents. It's at his parents address, and there is a history of bills etc in thier name at the address the car is it.
Although v5 misplaced I'm still going to have it. It's local and cheap and I'm going to have a punt.
If it's a cracker I will fix up. If it's a heap I'll at least get my money back and break it
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Should be delivered on a truck tomorrow eve :y
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Should be delivered on a truck tomorrow eve :y
As long as it not on a DLVA or Police Forensics Truck you should be ok James.
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Should be delivered on a truck tomorrow eve :y
As long as it not on a DLVA or Police Forensics Truck you should be ok James.
:D
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.....and the £25?