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Chat Area => General Car Chat => Topic started by: Jackv6 on 26 January 2016, 08:36:16
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Why are the v6 manuals so damn rare i cant seem to find one anywhere on all the usual trusty car buying sites. It's seems like ever old grandad has snatched them off the assembly line and wont let go. Any tips advice or even knowlage on a v6 manual or what it takes to put a manual in an auto im lead to beleave they sit well with the f25? Might be wrong thanks for any help
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Plenty done it, and I'm sure that one oofer on here (Minifreek, maybe?) either had a manual conversion kit, or at least knows exactly what's involved. I believe it's easier to go from auto to manual than the other way round.
Either way, it's pretty straightforward, though, and meant to unleash some potential from the engine. :)
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Im starting to see it an increasingly viable option because i just cant find a v6 manual anywhere although imsurance arnt particularly impressed with it. Is there much ecu messing involved?
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The manuals aren't the nicest of gearboxes ;) Maybe they were auto by default for a reason ::) ::)
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Yous might all cringe at this but its planned to be a drift car so manual is the better option but it has to be road legal and some what respecible looking
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The manuals aren't the nicest of gearboxes ;) Maybe they were auto by default for a reason ::) ::)
The reason being that the targetted market of executhives who have personal assistants for everything are too lazy to change gear themselves :P :P
P.S. Jack, you just said the magic word (drift) - it's like one of those 'wrong answers' on QI...
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Yous might all cringe at this but its planned to be a drift car so manual is the better option but it has to be road legal and some what respecible looking
Best you take your carpark leprechaun ideas elsewhere. >:(
Be wanting an lsd next.
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Im starting to see it an increasingly viable option because i just cant find a v6 manual anywhere although imsurance arnt particularly impressed with it. Is there much ecu messing involved?
If you can fit an f25, knock yourself out ;D
Yous might all cringe at this but its planned to be a drift car so manual is the better option but it has to be road legal and some what respecible looking
If that's your intended purpose, then look elsewhere, ie 3series :-X
That said, give me £5,500 and I might consider selling mine...
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Iv already looked into all the possibilitys of bmws but its too expensive for me to insure one of them at my age and i didnt come here to upset anybody just wanted some advice and and its not carpark antics it will be track antics and plenty omegas get used as drift cars because of there rwd nature
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Iv already looked into all the possibilitys of bmws but its too expensive for me to insure one of them at my age and i didnt come here to upset anybody just wanted some advice and and its not carpark antics it will be track antics and plenty omegas get used as drift cars because of there rwd nature
And why there aren't any left :-X
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Thats also true but for me its an obvious option when its much cheper to insure a 2.6 v6 omega than it is a 1
8 bmw 3 series power to pound ratio is massive an auto might do it mind
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Anyways what manual box would you put in a 2.6 v6?
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Thats also true but for me its an obvious option when its much cheper to insure a 2.6 v6 omega than it is a 1
8 bmw 3 series power to pound ratio is massive an auto might do it mind
Manual 3 series grow on trees, are lighter and easier to tune. You could buy an Omega for 500, then spend the same again on the manual bits plus labour, or you could get a 320 for the same money and it will be better as it's alot lighter...
Of course, if you had any sense*, you'd be looking for a manual 2.0 Omega and fitting a C20Let into it...
* ignoring the driving sideways in circles part.
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* ignoring the driving sideways in circles part.
I take it you're not a fan of drifting then Al ::) ::)
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If i coukd afford to insure a c20let conversion id just get a bmw haha your missing the point that i cant afford to do engine swaps and alike
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Replied on your other thread, Mr Jackv6 :y
The Omega is at that point in its life, whether we like it or not, where they will appear as drift cars, run what you brung bargain basement racedays, storage shed at the bottom of the garden, bangernomics machines (so until it fails an MoT, when it does, buy another) banger races, etc. Like the Carlton, Senator, VXs, Victors, Crestas, Ventoras, Veloxes and Wyverns before them.
I don't like seeing perfectly good Omegas (nicer nick than mine!) being stripped of their Bose, colours GID screens, engines, leather and the shells scrapped, but there's people on here who have done it for years, and will continue to do so. And I'm not knocking them one bit, either, without them I wouldn't have half the parts on my car now.
Here's a link you may have already seen, but which may serve as inspiration, OP :) ...
http://www.omegaowners.com/forum/index.php?topic=130364.0 (http://www.omegaowners.com/forum/index.php?topic=130364.0)
re: the 3 series, quite probably a good alternative/even a better bet for tuning; however, I would assume there'd be similar howls of disapproval on the Beemer forums of turning an 'ultimate driving machine' into a driftcar. Indeed, they may go so far as to advise the OP to buy such as an Omega instead of 'ruining' a 3 series. :-\
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To answer DBGs point in the wanted post,
They used to be readily available when plod used them... and were selling for 25% of retail... trouble is the car park brigade knew this and as soon as they crashed or blew up a car, they'd simply buy another... unfortunately, about eight years ago, the supply stopped, and now there are next to none left... I know of only seven manual 3.2s in use, and five of them are restored/being restored as Plod, one has been extensively modified for track use, but is an estate, tother is a saloon.
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I have one! Not selling it, but just to reassure you that there are some in use... unless I'm one of the 7.
And by in use I mean "undergoing a painfully slow resto"...
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I know of a manual 3.0 MV6 with LSD ;)
PM sent :y
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I have one! Not selling it, but just to reassure you that there are some in use... unless I'm one of the 7.
And by in use I mean "undergoing a painfully slow resto"...
You are ;)
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Why are the v6 manuals so damn rare i cant seem to find one anywhere on all the usual trusty car buying sites. It's seems like ever old grandad has snatched them off the assembly line and wont let go. Any tips advice or even knowlage on a v6 manual or what it takes to put a manual in an auto im lead to beleave they sit well with the f25? Might be wrong thanks for any help
Because the manual box is taken straight from a lorry.
I owned a manual Omega once........but never again. :)
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AH, now we're mentioning LSDs..... I wasn't going to tell the OP that some Omegas have LSDs... :y :D ;D
Re: Mr Al, indeed; and I do agree with you regarding the rarity of certain models. My mate has a (SORN) 3.0 manual Elite/MV6 Estate. Now that is a rare bugger! To see that scrapped or messed up and crashed would be a great shame. However, if we wander into just looking for any old V6, any trim level (which helps, everyone wants to buy and Elite/MV6, and no-one seems to care for lesser specs) and then look at sourcing a 'box a a later date, the op should be ok. Get a decent motor, decent engine, then look at a box swap. Safe to say there'll be plenty of trim and carpeting etc that'll be coming out at the same time, so the gearbox shouldn't be a major worry, even for a novice mechanic. But yes, to take a rare model and drift it to death would be a shame. :) Take an unloved model, tailor it to the new owner's tastes and mod where wasnted, don't see any issue - 'should be reet'. :)
Actually, there's one here
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/vauxhall-omega-3-2-LSD-spares-repair-banger-/351634131821?hash=item51df070b6d:g:4x0AAOSw5dNWnktk (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/vauxhall-omega-3-2-LSD-spares-repair-banger-/351634131821?hash=item51df070b6d:g:4x0AAOSw5dNWnktk)
LSD, with all parts to convert to Manual!
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Nothing wrong with the omega manual box, it`s far better than the Shitroen Nemo box :y
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Nothing wrong with the omega manual box, it`s far better than the Shitroen Nemo box :y
Mine had a throw like something from 'Ice road truckers'.......only not so smooth. ;) :D ;D
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Oooh!now let me think ::) just might just have a couple of cars with LSD's on them, shame they're autos and I'm keeping them :) ;D ;D
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Oooh!now let me think ::) just might just have a couple of cars with LSD's on them, shame they're autos and I'm keeping them :) ;D ;D
Quite right too ;D
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That's if the LSD function of the diff is still working after all these years. Probably worn out, now.
If it helps I'll take one of them LSDs off your hands, you know, free of charge and everything :D
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If i coukd afford to insure a c20let conversion id just get a bmw haha your missing the point that i cant afford to do engine swaps and alike
Then you are going to be very disappointed with a large, heavy car fitted with a small V6, and I include the 3.0l in that. It's a well-judged combination for a smooth and comfortable road car, but has real limitations if your needs are different. Tuning the V6 is expensive and gives only small gains. An LET conversion to a basic 2.0l Omega is actually the affordable, straightforward route - it's a bolt together - to a fast Omega. As Al said, a manual, large engined 3 series is easy to find for less money than you would spend on a manual Omega. Upgrades(changes anyway!) to the whole car are plentiful and affordable. The small Lexus is another good choice for the same reasons. Either of those can be fitted with the company's V8 without too much aggro.
Oh, and roadcar LSDs are rarely sufficient for competition use; they tend to be quite weak and don't lock up very much. That's after you've found one as they are rare.
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The auto box on the 3.0l isn't bad for low speed drifting, 1st gear will do 50mph and 2nd 90mph, the engine doesn't have enough guts to spin the 2nd gear but pump up the rear tyres in the wet and you may get it goin.
The gearbox won't change up on redline either if your selecting the gears, so you can hold it to the limiter all the time.
I've never properly drifted but from listening to friends just weld the diff, it's pretty much free and easily done.
If you just want a cheap drifter and scrap once your finished the omegas a great start, but that's all, there are no easy power increases, no off the shelf cheap loud exhaust, same with suspension.
The BMW is far more suited for drifting as you can add cheap/2nd hand parts easily.
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AH, now we're mentioning LSDs..... I wasn't going to tell the OP that some Omegas have LSDs... :y :D ;D
Re: Mr Al, indeed; and I do agree with you regarding the rarity of certain models. My mate has a (SORN) 3.0 manual Elite/MV6 Estate. Now that is a rare bugger! To see that scrapped or messed up and crashed would be a great shame. However, if we wander into just looking for any old V6, any trim level (which helps, everyone wants to buy and Elite/MV6, and no-one seems to care for lesser specs) and then look at sourcing a 'box a a later date, the op should be ok. Get a decent motor, decent engine, then look at a box swap. Safe to say there'll be plenty of trim and carpeting etc that'll be coming out at the same time, so the gearbox shouldn't be a major worry, even for a novice mechanic. But yes, to take a rare model and drift it to death would be a shame. :) Take an unloved model, tailor it to the new owner's tastes and mod where wasnted, don't see any issue - 'should be reet'. :)
Actually, there's one here
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/vauxhall-omega-3-2-LSD-spares-repair-banger-/351634131821?hash=item51df070b6d:g:4x0AAOSw5dNWnktk (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/vauxhall-omega-3-2-LSD-spares-repair-banger-/351634131821?hash=item51df070b6d:g:4x0AAOSw5dNWnktk)
LSD, with all parts to convert to Manual!
Wow i think iv found my car even if i dont swap it its got mot and manual thank you sir ill look into it.
And to everyone else iv already looked into beemers that was my first port of call but for a 19 year old the insuramce is about 1500 for a weak engine where as a 3.0 v6 is 900 god knows what insurance companies are thinking but its the truth
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Wait until you try to insure a modified Omega ;D
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Yeah its rough hahaha
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F25 clearly won't fit an Omega.
Manual boxes are R25, fitted to all manual cars, except for 3.0l and 3.2l (plod only, all other 3.2s are autos) which has R28.
It has a horrible long throw, and a horrid feel.
Most will be autos, esp bigger engine and better specced ones, as these types of driver prefer autos.
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If your going to trash an Omega why not just use a 2.2 petrol auto leave it in 1st till it dies... It should be a crime to intentionally kill a perfectly good V6... Far too many V6s are being bought from the UK mainland taken to Ireland. Plenty of 2.2s about even some manual ones. Nothing against people who drift their cars but it's not a pleasant sight especially if the car looks half decent to begin with till its wrapped around a lamp post with parts falling off etc..
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If your going to trash an Omega why not just use a 2.2 petrol auto leave it in 1st till it dies... It should be a crime to intentionally kill a perfectly good V6... Far too many V6s are being bought from the UK mainland taken to Ireland. Plenty of 2.2s about even some manual ones. Nothing against people who drift their cars but it's not a pleasant sight especially if the car looks half decent to begin with till its wrapped around a lamp post with parts falling off etc..
More in life to worry about than a V6. ??? Omega "enthusiasts" should encompass all of the marque, which begs the question, "Are they enthusiastic about the actual Omega or just the size of the engine" :-X
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If your going to trash an Omega why not just use a 2.2 petrol auto leave it in 1st till it dies... It should be a crime to intentionally kill a perfectly good V6... Far too many V6s are being bought from the UK mainland taken to Ireland. Plenty of 2.2s about even some manual ones. Nothing against people who drift their cars but it's not a pleasant sight especially if the car looks half decent to begin with till its wrapped around a lamp post with parts falling off etc..
More in life to worry about than a V6. ??? Omega "enthusiasts" should encompass all of the marque, which begs the question, "Are they enthusiastic about the actual Omega or just the size of the engine" :-X
Put it this way I preferred the Senator over the Carlton... Apparently the 3.0/3.2 Omegas in Elite trim where the Senator replacement. So seen as the Elite trim only comes with a V6 and not forgetting the Diesel. That's my way of thinking anyway (forgetting the diesel obviously) ;D :y
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If your going to trash an Omega why not just use a 2.2 petrol auto leave it in 1st till it dies... It should be a crime to intentionally kill a perfectly good V6... Far too many V6s are being bought from the UK mainland taken to Ireland. Plenty of 2.2s about even some manual ones. Nothing against people who drift their cars but it's not a pleasant sight especially if the car looks half decent to begin with till its wrapped around a lamp post with parts falling off etc..
More in life to worry about than a V6. ??? Omega "enthusiasts" should encompass all of the marque, which begs the question, "Are they enthusiastic about the actual Omega or just the size of the engine" :-X
Put it this way I preferred the Senator over the Carlton... Apparently the 3.0/3.2 Omegas in Elite trim where the Senator replacement. So seen as the Elite trim only comes with a V6 and not forgetting the Diesel. That's my way of thinking anyway (forgetting the diesel obviously) ;D :y
A V6 also comes as a 2.5 in low spec trim ::) A V6 is a V6 regardless of trim spec, and an Omega is an Omega regardless of engine size :)
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If your going to trash an Omega why not just use a 2.2 petrol auto leave it in 1st till it dies... It should be a crime to intentionally kill a perfectly good V6... Far too many V6s are being bought from the UK mainland taken to Ireland. Plenty of 2.2s about even some manual ones. Nothing against people who drift their cars but it's not a pleasant sight especially if the car looks half decent to begin with till its wrapped around a lamp post with parts falling off etc..
More in life to worry about than a V6. ??? Omega "enthusiasts" should encompass all of the marque, which begs the question, "Are they enthusiastic about the actual Omega or just the size of the engine" :-X
Put it this way I preferred the Senator over the Carlton... Apparently the 3.0/3.2 Omegas in Elite trim where the Senator replacement. So seen as the Elite trim only comes with a V6 and not forgetting the Diesel. That's my way of thinking anyway (forgetting the diesel obviously) ;D :y
A V6 also comes as a 2.5 in low spec trim ::) A V6 is a V6 regardless of trim spec, and an Omega is an Omega regardless of engine size :)
Yes I know all the V6 sizes etc.. Was just..... Oh never mind.... Either way a V6 is a better engine for an Omega for the weight/size. What I was trying to say in my original post was if you have to use an Omega to drift and wreck use a 2.2 they are still readily available. Save the V6s for Omega "enthusiasts" seen as any Omega owner with a 2.0/2.2 can't be an "enthusiast" surely. ::) :P
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I hate to see any Omega with life left go to the scrapper. I accept its only a Vauxhall, which is a big thing if badge is more important than functionality, and that as a 20yr old design its electronic technology is dated. BUT its still a decent car, quick enough, pretty good handling for a non sports car, and generally quite capable. Its also supremely comfortable and a fantastic mile cruncher. Added to that, and its cheap to run (fuel aside), insure and buy, plus the fact I've been unable to find a viable replacement, its currently the nearest to ideal car for me.
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If your going to trash an Omega why not just use a 2.2 petrol auto leave it in 1st till it dies... It should be a crime to intentionally kill a perfectly good V6... Far too many V6s are being bought from the UK mainland taken to Ireland. Plenty of 2.2s about even some manual ones. Nothing against people who drift their cars but it's not a pleasant sight especially if the car looks half decent to begin with till its wrapped around a lamp post with parts falling off etc..
More in life to worry about than a V6. ??? Omega "enthusiasts" should encompass all of the marque, which begs the question, "Are they enthusiastic about the actual Omega or just the size of the engine" :-X
Put it this way I preferred the Senator over the Carlton... Apparently the 3.0/3.2 Omegas in Elite trim where the Senator replacement. So seen as the Elite trim only comes with a V6 and not forgetting the Diesel. That's my way of thinking anyway (forgetting the diesel obviously) ;D :y
A V6 also comes as a 2.5 in low spec trim ::) A V6 is a V6 regardless of trim spec, and an Omega is an Omega regardless of engine size :)
Yes I know all the V6 sizes etc.. Was just..... Oh never mind.... Either way a V6 is a better engine for an Omega for the weight/size. What I was trying to say in my original post was if you have to use an Omega to drift and wreck use a 2.2 they are still readily available. Save the V6s for Omega "enthusiasts" seen as any Omega owner with a 2.0/2.2 can't be an "enthusiast" surely. ::) :P
I`m assuming that`s a "tongue in cheek" remark rather than from an insular mind ;D
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I hate to see any Omega with life left go to the scrapper. I accept its only a Vauxhall, which is a big thing if badge is more important than functionality, and that as a 20yr old design its electronic technology is dated. BUT its still a decent car, quick enough, pretty good handling for a non sports car, and generally quite capable. Its also supremely comfortable and a fantastic mile cruncher. Added to that, and its cheap to run (fuel aside), insure and buy, plus the fact I've been unable to find a viable replacement, its currently the nearest to ideal car for me.
Agreed, But seen as people are going to use them regardless. It's better out of the both evils for them to use the 4-pot engined cars. Preferably the rusty tatty ones that have failed MOTs.
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If your going to trash an Omega why not just use a 2.2 petrol auto leave it in 1st till it dies... It should be a crime to intentionally kill a perfectly good V6... Far too many V6s are being bought from the UK mainland taken to Ireland. Plenty of 2.2s about even some manual ones. Nothing against people who drift their cars but it's not a pleasant sight especially if the car looks half decent to begin with till its wrapped around a lamp post with parts falling off etc..
More in life to worry about than a V6. ??? Omega "enthusiasts" should encompass all of the marque, which begs the question, "Are they enthusiastic about the actual Omega or just the size of the engine" :-X
Put it this way I preferred the Senator over the Carlton... Apparently the 3.0/3.2 Omegas in Elite trim where the Senator replacement. So seen as the Elite trim only comes with a V6 and not forgetting the Diesel. That's my way of thinking anyway (forgetting the diesel obviously) ;D :y
A V6 also comes as a 2.5 in low spec trim ::) A V6 is a V6 regardless of trim spec, and an Omega is an Omega regardless of engine size :)
Yes I know all the V6 sizes etc.. Was just..... Oh never mind.... Either way a V6 is a better engine for an Omega for the weight/size. What I was trying to say in my original post was if you have to use an Omega to drift and wreck use a 2.2 they are still readily available. Save the V6s for Omega "enthusiasts" seen as any Omega owner with a 2.0/2.2 can't be an "enthusiast" surely. ::) :P
I`m assuming that`s a "tongue in cheek" remark rather than from an insular mind ;D
Yes... Best leave it at that, Going off topic a tad now :-X ;D
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Nothing wrong with the omega manual box, it`s far better than the Shitroen Nemo box :y
Mine had a throw like something from 'Ice road truckers'.......only not so smooth. ;) :D ;D
Its not far off , especially when you miss a gear ;D
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Apart from the woeful slushbox, I actually quite enjoyed driving my Oxymoron...
I'd imagine that a well fettled C20Let conversion would actual make quite a tidy B road toy 8)
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Must admit that when i first joined OOF there seemed a certain elitism regarding V6.s over 4 pots. As my Desmond is my only source of transport,apart from my bicycle, it,s a different perspective for my ownership than someone who has a V6 that they can lovingly cherish and cosset while being able to use their "other" wheels whilst they are doing it. Having said that, i enjoy all the banter and advice, car and general, that i have had from this collection of loonies :D that is OOF. Long may it continue :y