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Omega Help Area => Omega General Help => Topic started by: raywilb on 14 May 2016, 10:25:42
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for the past few weeks my key been getting quite :-\ difficult to turn in the ignition. it happened in my last mig, and I had to change the barrel. what I cant remember is where I got a new barrel from. I suppose it was the dealers, or can I quote the key number & go elsewhere.
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Search the guides... I'm sure Mark did one for tidying up the tumblers to cure this ;)
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Best do it before it won't turn any more; then you have a problem. Follow the guide, it's great fun; keep the tumblers carefully in order. If you interchange them you, even with the same numbers, you will find you cannot turn it.
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for the past few weeks my key been getting quite :-\ difficult to turn in the ignition. it happened in my last mig, and I had to change the barrel. what I cant remember is where I got a new barrel from. I suppose it was the dealers, or can I quote the key number & go elsewhere.
I priced one up at stealers this morning, was told £ 65 + vat. I could not order as v5 + car pass was needed.Search the guides... I'm sure Mark did one for tidying up the tumblers to cure this ;)
will follow guide on Monday if it does some good I will save myself £78 :y
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http://www.nwkeys.co.uk/Portal.aspx?page=43&cat=131&prod=7389
New tumblers avlbl here. :y
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If you're not worried about the key matching, then a new barrel is about a tenner.
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Short term solution which may save you a lot of bother and swear words, is to pop the barrel out, and remove several of the sliders. Yes, technically your car is less secure, but any thief still can't start the car, and if they're sitting in your car seat then it's kind of already 'too late'.
This can remove the 6 hours of screaming and hammering to remove the old jammed barrel, because in order to remove the barrel, you need to turn the key to position II. :)
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Short term solution which may save you a lot of bother and swear words, is to pop the barrel out, and remove several of the sliders. Yes, technically your car is less secure, but any thief still can't start the car, and if they're sitting in your car seat then it's kind of already 'too late'.
This can remove the 6 hours of screaming and hammering to remove the old jammed barrel, because in order to remove the barrel, you need to turn the key to position II. :)
I may end up doing that, was going to attempt it today. I know its a pig of a job when it jams. did a td mig a few years ago
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Search the guides... I'm sure Mark did one for tidying up the tumblers to cure this ;)
all done now :y :y I was at it before six this morning, I followed Marks guide to the T & apart from the barrel not wanting to come out at first all went well. another great guide. :y
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glad you're sorted. Did you replace the levers etc?
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glad you're sorted. Did you replace the levers etc?
no , just a good clean with white spirit & gave tumblers a rub on a smooth emery stone. I did however notice one tumbler didn't sit back in right & appeared ever so slightly bent. a gentle tap with a hammer on a flat surface cured that. finished it by giving a light spray with white grease. now works perfect :y
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I found it a chronic pain to refit the levers in mine, when I disassembled it, solely to make a 'map' of what numbered levers I required. So you're doing better than me. :y
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I've done two. First time I followed the guide to the letter, went perfectly. Second time I got careless, and merely recorded what numbers went where. Reassembled, lock wouldn't turn. Removed some of the tumblers, then it worked. Next time I shall be more careful.
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glad you're sorted. Did you replace the levers etc?
no , just a good clean with white spirit & gave tumblers a rub on a smooth emery stone. I did however notice one tumbler didn't sit back in right & appeared ever so slightly bent. a gentle tap with a hammer on a flat surface cured that. finished it by giving a light spray with white grease. now works perfect :y
Experience tells us that the existing tumblers are worn, and likely this fault will recur. New tumblers cost pennies from the link I posted above. :y
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Experience tells us that the existing tumblers are worn, and likely this fault will recur. New tumblers cost pennies from the link I posted above. :y
That's my experience too. And considering what an absolute pain in the arse a jammed ignition lock is, spending a few quid on new components is the only sensible solution.
I've mentioned this before, but seized ignition barrels are a common problem at this time of year as the temperature increases.
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http://www.nwkeys.co.uk/Portal.aspx?page=43&cat=131&prod=7389
New tumblers avlbl here. :y
I will send for some & if I get bother again at least its an easy fix. on this occasion a overall fixed it. :y
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Shackeng, it seems that in order to buy those tumblers from the company that you linked to I have to create an account, giving all personal details, shoe size and inside leg measurement to register first. Surely not? Or is there another, more straightforward source?
Ron.
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Shackeng, it seems that in order to buy those tumblers from the company that you linked to I have to create an account, giving all personal details, shoe size and inside leg measurement to register first. Surely not? Or is there another, more straightforward source?
Ron.
I just used an old fashioned phone & rang them :y :y :y
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Sometimes we get TOO complicated and overlook the obvious, Andy!
Thanks. How much were they, please?
Ron.
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Shackeng, it seems that in order to buy those tumblers from the company that you linked to I have to create an account, giving all personal details, shoe size and inside leg measurement to register first. Surely not? Or is there another, more straightforward source?
Ron.
I just used an old fashioned phone & rang them :y :y :y
Worked for me. :y
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Sometimes we get TOO complicated and overlook the obvious, Andy!
Thanks. How much were they, please?
Ron.
Can't remember now, but they weren't expensive ...... IIRC they were only around £5 or £6 all in
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glad you're sorted. Did you replace the levers etc?
no , just a good clean with white spirit & gave tumblers a rub on a smooth emery stone. I did however notice one tumbler didn't sit back in right & appeared ever so slightly bent. a gentle tap with a hammer on a flat surface cured that. finished it by giving a light spray with white grease. now works perfect :y
Experience tells us that the existing tumblers are worn, and likely this fault will recur. New tumblers cost pennies from the link I posted above. :y
Not strictly true... If the strip and rebuild is done early enough then it is often sufficient. It is when the warning signs have been ignored that the tumblers are beyond dressing and using again ;)
But for the cost of new ones it's worth doing anyway ;)
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http://www.nwkeys.co.uk/Portal.aspx?page=43&cat=131&prod=7389
New tumblers avlbl here. :y
I work 100 yds from this place, miserable buggers but they know their stuff
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The Maintenance Guide for barrel servicing looks good, but I am still nervous about tackling my car lock. Would it be sensible to try to get a barrel from a breakers to practise on so that I know more what I am doing?
Ron.
Oh, and why are they miserable buggers, omegod?
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It is some time since I did mine, but the lock removal was the most difficult part. :y
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The Maintenance Guide for barrel servicing looks good, but I am still nervous about tackling my car lock. Would it be sensible to try to get a barrel from a breakers to practise on so that I know more what I am doing?
Ron.
Oh, and why are they miserable buggers, omegod?
I appreciate your caution, not wanting to take it out, make a mess of it, and render your car unuseable. I did my first one on a spare lock I had from a car I had scrapped. It really is pretty staightforward, following the guide, and can be done indoors, in warmth, comfort, and while watching TV. Biggest error I made was to extract the cylinder without the key in, allowing the tumblers to spring out and disappear. Follow the guide!
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The Maintenance Guide for barrel servicing looks good, but I am still nervous about tackling my car lock. Would it be sensible to try to get a barrel from a breakers to practise on so that I know more what I am doing?
Ron.
Oh, and why are they miserable buggers, omegod?
I appreciate your caution, not wanting to take it out, make a mess of it, and render your car unuseable. I did my first one on a spare lock I had from a car I had scrapped. It really is pretty staightforward, following the guide, and can be done indoors, in warmth, comfort, and while watching TV. Biggest error I made was to extract the cylinder without the key in, allowing the tumblers to spring out and disappear. Follow the guide!
If you remove the cylinder while it still works, the car can still be started with a screwdriver.
They're not difficult things to rebuild, just fiddly. As always with such jobs, a tidy, clean, well lit workspace is required. A single piece of plain white paper on the worktop helps; the back of some wrapping paper is ideal. If you work with the parts inside a large clear plastic bag then none of the parts can escape.
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Gentlemen, OOF scores again! Such great support and encouragement for my humble enquiry is just magic.
Thank you.
Ron.
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My ignition barrel was being a bit hit and miss; sometimes the key wouldn't turn back to position 1 and I couldn't then get the key out. I had to go into work one day with the car parked on the road with the key still in the ignition (not good!) and when I came back to it mid morning (thankfully it was still there :)), it turned with no problem. Read the guides, but decided to price up a new ignition barrel from Vauxhall - pleasantly surprised :), a replacement barrel made to my existing key code, complete with a spare key blade, less than £50.
It came via a key specialist that my local Vauxhall dealer uses, using VX parts.
Just one option for the less adventurous.....
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My ignition barrel was being a bit hit and miss; sometimes the key wouldn't turn back to position 1 and I couldn't then get the key out. I had to go into work one day with the car parked on the road with the key still in the ignition (not good!) and when I came back to it mid morning (thankfully it was still there :)), it turned with no problem. Read the guides, but decided to price up a new ignition barrel from Vauxhall - pleasantly surprised :), a replacement barrel made to my existing key code, complete with a spare key blade, less than £50.
It came via a key specialist that my local Vauxhall dealer uses, using VX parts.
Just one option for the less adventurous.....
Bloody plutocrat. ;D ;D ;D
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Having recently replaced the ignition switch on my daughters Mini Cooper S, the BMW cost of a new one against the secondhand one I fitted makes the cost of the Omega complete ignition barrel seem very cheap! Never been one to waste the hard earned pennies, I know when I should buy new, secondhand or attempt to repair.....!! :)