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Omega Help Area => Omega General Help => Topic started by: tunnie on 31 August 2016, 15:31:08
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So for laughs I rang my local Vauxhall Specialist, as my clutch on 2.2 is on it's last legs. There is no way I could change one myself and a fatty little admin felt it's not a job for him and garage.
So I've used this local place before just for MOT's, been happy with what they do. Failed it on rear light and emissions two weeks ago, let me take it away and fix it and come back for a free re-test. Normally they say they must use their own parts, but had no problem me fixing a few bulbs.
Firstly I was told the DMF wheel must be changed with a 2.2 clutch? :-\ He was clear this must be done, it's only available from Vauxhall and its £609+ vat :o
Without DMF, but saying he would not do it without. Came in at £575 all fitted. ;D
Might as well keep driving it till clutch let's go :(
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Can anyone say that a 2.0 clutch won't work with a 2.2?
To me sounds pretty straightforward, but I've no personal experience.
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I should add, after researching on here that clutch bite point is always high. But it feels extremely high these days, I still really can't get it to slip much :-\
Is some vibration at low revs, especially when cold. :-\
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Nice focus with a years ticket, and change for a slap up family lunch... ::)
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Nice focus with a years ticket, and change for a slap up family lunch... ::)
Thanks. But no thanks :y
I'd like to change the clutch, but really does not appear cost effective. :(
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It's a very long time since I've changed a rwd clutch (1900 CIH Manta) but you're young & fit enough to do it yourself ... not especially difficult, just the weight of the gearbox balanced on your chest & knee ;D I've only ever lined the clutch plates up by rack o' th'eye ..... just might take a bit of jiggling. Get the car on two sets of ramps and you're away :y :y You can decide whether you want to change the DMF when you see it .... I can understand why the garage would want to change it all in one go
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Nice focus with a years ticket, and change for a slap up family lunch... ::)
Thanks. But no thanks :y
I'd like to change the clutch, but really does not appear cost effective. :(
On what planet?
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/LUK-3-PART-CLUTCH-KIT-FOR-A-VAUXHALL-OMEGA-2-0-16V-/222202229509?hash=item33bc48f305:g:X1sAAOSwKtlWokMk
https://www.atp-autoteile.de/group/1100300/product/13647/648729/details
https://www.atp-autoteile.de/group/1100200/product/13647/919351/details
All told, about £450 plus about four hours labour or an easy days work on the driveway...
Easy job, about 25 bolts all told ::)
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I'd like to change the clutch, but really does not appear cost effective. :(
The clutch is cheap to buy, and petrol Omega DMFs don't seem to be a problem. A new concentric slave cylinder is a sensible precaution. The only hard part of the job is lifting the gearbox into place while lying on your back. If you can scrounge the use of a pit, even that ceases to be an issue.
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I have never had a manual gearbox off before, really would not feel confident in that job
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It's like an auto box swap, only lighter ;)
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It's like an auto box swap, only lighter ;)
There's less to cock up. Align the clutch plate(doable by eye, but much easier with a tool) and it all bolts back together.
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I have never had a manual gearbox off before, really would not feel confident in that job
Really not difficult. Don't know with an Omega, but on my Manta I'd to disconnect the front of the exhaust to allow the engine/gearbox to tip down enough at the back so that it would slide off the input shaft of the gearbox before the gearbox hit the transmission tunnel.
what could possibly go wrong ....... ;D ;D
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I have never had a manual gearbox off before, really would not feel confident in that job
Pm your reg will get price on clutch LUK kit fitted, you can compare if is worth come down my place to get job done
btw can be done when you wait
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I have never had a manual gearbox off before, really would not feel confident in that job
Really not difficult. Don't know with an Omega, but on my Manta I'd to disconnect the front of the exhaust to allow the engine/gearbox to tip down enough at the back so that it would slide off the input shaft of the gearbox before the gearbox hit the transmission tunnel.
what could possibly go wrong ....... ;D ;D
;D ;D ;D ;D
I have never had a manual gearbox off before, really would not feel confident in that job
Pm your reg will get price on clutch LUK kit fitted, you can compare if is worth come down my place to get job done
btw can be done when you wait
Very kind Serek, will drop you a PM :y
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Serek - Just tried in PM you, inbox is full :y
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It's a very long time since I've changed a rwd clutch (1900 CIH Manta) but you're young & fit enough to do it yourself ... not especially difficult, just the weight of the gearbox balanced on your chest & knee ;D I've only ever lined the clutch plates up by rack o' th'eye ..... just might take a bit of jiggling. Get the car on two sets of ramps and you're away :y :y You can decide whether you want to change the DMF when you see it .... I can understand why the garage would want to change it all in one go
Car on two sets of ramps sounds unsafe.
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Car on two sets of ramps sounds unsafe.
Why?
If you're really paranoid you can use them facing in opposite directions.
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Car on two sets of ramps sounds unsafe.
Why?
If you're really paranoid you can use them facing in opposite directions.
With a big enough heave from the side the whole lot could topple over. Four axle stands are similarly dodgy.
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Serek - Just tried in PM you, inbox is full :y
Try real technology that works. The funny thing on your desk with a curly cord.
Look up sosautomtive in Huntingdon, and press the big buttons in the right order ;)
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If I hadn't moved we could have done this over my pit no problem.. but er.. yeah :-[
Not had an Omega box off before but it has to be lighter than the 300ZX auto box, and I took one of those out on axle stands & ramps (and my chest ;D)
Still, Huntingdon is a nice enough place ;)
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Serek - Just tried in PM you, inbox is full :y
Try real technology that works. The funny thing on your desk with a curly cord.
Look up sosautomtive in Huntingdon, and press the big buttons in the right order ;)
Eh? What's one of those, don't have any of them on our desks here. I do have a cordless version though, that nice man Mr Cook built for me ::)
But point taken :y
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Tunnie, it's an easy enough job and if you speak nicely to that Mr Wood fella he might even be willing to advise... I'm willing to bet he's had a RWD gearbox out a few times fairly recently :-X ::) :y
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Pm box clear now :y
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Car on two sets of ramps sounds unsafe.
Why? I'd say two sets of ramps were safer than axle stands
I've had various cars on either 2 sets of ramps or ramps & axle stands over the years, & though I've never tried to push it over ::) they've always been solid as a rock. I won't be trying any time soon with my R Class though ;) ;)
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Pm box clear now :y
:y :y
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Considering the wiggling and shoving to get the box out,yet alone trying to re-aline the box when putting back in I personaly would be concerned that if the car did shift in one direction or another while on 4 ramps or axle stands it could well be..ta ta to tunnie...so sorry but why take chances..do it properly/safely/...better safe than sorry as me mum use to say :y :y
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Considering the wiggling and shoving to get the box out,yet alone trying to re-aline the box when putting back in I personaly would be concerned that if the car did shift in one direction or another while on 4 ramps or axle stands it could well be..ta ta to tunnie...so sorry but why take chances..do it properly/safely/...better safe than sorry as me mum use to say :y :y
I'm never hugely keen on getting under a car with ramps/stands, it's in my head I know. As this is big work, needs to be on a decent lift.
Hopefully can sort a deal with Serek :)
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Bah, done four on the drive ::)
Trick is to reverse onto decent ramps then get the front of the car as high as feasible on stands :y If the stands are tripod, be sure that the feet are pointing opposite rather than the same way, should minimise the risk of rocking/collapse... ;)
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Car on two sets of ramps sounds unsafe.
Why?
If you're really paranoid you can use them facing in opposite directions.
With a big enough heave from the side the whole lot could topple over. Four axle stands are similarly dodgy.
Terry, if you can heave 1700kg of Omega off 4 ramps/stands you must be stronger than you look. Or, your stands and ramps need an upgrade.
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I've just removed the gearbox from my 2L manual before I scrapped it. Two axle stands under the front and leave the jack under just incase. Took less than two hours to do. Very easy, lots more space than the opel mantas I'm used to. It only took so long as the prop bolts did not want to undo at all!
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Car on two sets of ramps sounds unsafe.
Why?
If you're really paranoid you can use them facing in opposite directions.
With a big enough heave from the side the whole lot could topple over. Four axle stands are similarly dodgy.
Terry, if you can heave 1700kg of Omega off 4 ramps/stands you must be stronger than you look. Or, your stands and ramps need an upgrade.
I have recently bought bigger axle stands. What I seek is a pair of ramps that I can link together with a rod or bar, so that they cannot topple over, but I cannot find one. Ever seen one?
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If the car is sitting on the ramps, a bar or rod linking the ramps won't have any effect as you have a 1700kg sitting on the ramps.
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I have recently bought bigger axle stands. What I seek is a pair of ramps that I can link together with a rod or bar, so that they cannot topple over, but I cannot find one. Ever seen one?
No, which ought to tell you something. I still can't see something as long and low as a pair of ramps being unstable. Especially with a 1700kg car on them. One rod wouldn't really help much, I'd want to see one at each corner of the wheel pads which would remove the working space and access. Add in the extra time to assemble and disassemble everything and you've also eliminated the convenience and speed of use.
Perhaps you should checkout CJ Autos website, they sell a number of compact and affordable lifting apparatus that I have nowhere to keep or use.
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Silly me, for some reason I presumed you would remove the front wheels. As DocG says, reverse car on to ramps, jack up the front as high as possible, lower on to axle stands, and then if worried place 2 spare wheels under the front wheels - safe as houses.