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Omega Help Area => Omega General Help => Topic started by: prefacelift on 21 November 2016, 11:35:26
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Hope you've all had wonderful weekend
So, interested to see what you guys think my cars worth
99 T mini face 3.0 elite factory manual saloon z146 black leather, 90 on the clock 2 previous owners last owner 16 years, drives like new! Just replaced the front lower arms drop links and both complete track rods, 4 wheel alignment done, new front discs and pads, everything works in the car apart from the drivers heated seat, fully loaded! Totally stock and unmolested! Had rear arches done, no scuffs or scratches to the paint or none that stand out. Original service book with plenty of stamps but no other paper work other than v5 current mot and a load of receipts since I've had it since only this summer, very rare car what do you reckon it's worth? I'm not selling just curious.
Thanks people :y
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Sad reality is probably less than you think and much less than you would want for it....if you are thinking of selling it ;) ;) ;)
Expect post to get nuked though as looks like a 4sale listing ...sorry but that's the rules here ::)
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Thanks amba, it's not a for sale post just wondering what it maybe worth, I've had omegas years ago but this year I found this car and had to have it! I intended to keep it.
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With these cars its worth what somebody is prepared to pay for it...being a 3.0ltr with manual box I would expect around £750,but as said its all down to how much somebody falls for it. :y
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very rare car
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Hen`s teeth are rare, certainly not Omegas
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Ok thanks amba :y
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very rare car
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Hen`s teeth are rare, certainly not Omegas
I think the rare was referring to the additional pedal ;) ..... quite why you'd want it is another question ::)
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A bit of above. If you try selling it - £250 you get offered. Now try and find another - the only one you'll be able to find is either £1200 at a forecourt (and still require work to get it to the standard of yours) or you find one for 89p, but requires £Twelve-ty thousand to get it to the standard of yours.
I had the same argument with my insurers re: value after the smash. "oooh we've found loads of your car, it's worth £350-450"
Me: "Um.. they're all star silver facelifts, 2.0 CD, ... yeah NOT THE SAME!!!" Made no difference, of course! :D
All I can say is leave £ value out of it for the time being, until they're used in a show like Life on Mars / Ashes to Ashes or something and their values skyrocket. :D ;D :D Do it for love, and for the fact it's a damn good car that's really reliable, in the grand scheme of things, that can be repaired often for free / a quid. :y
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very rare car
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Hen`s teeth are rare, certainly not Omegas
I think the rare was referring to the additional pedal ;) ..... quite why you'd want it is another question ::)
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Andy B, I spend my life in an automatic car at work to the tune of 1000 miles per week, nice to get in a manual at the weekends, especially a pre 3.0 elite! As there are nearly none left anymore :y
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Quite right diamond black geezer, couldn't have worded that better myself :y
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230 to go. :y.
You only have two feet, why confuse yourself by having 3 pedals. ;D
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There's one on eBay at the moment except it's an auto,should give you an idea. :y
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Andy B, I spend my life in an automatic car at work to the tune of 1000 miles per week, nice to get in a manual at the weekends, especially a pre 3.0 elite! As there are nearly none left anymore :y
You're not selling it to me ::) ... especially a ton & half barge like an Omega - they're not exactly a sports car, even in MV6 guise ;) I can see no enjoyment in working a clutch on today's roads, it's bad enough queueing with 2 pedals, let alone 3
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each to their own andy b :y
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Andy B, I spend my life in an automatic car at work to the tune of 1000 miles per week, nice to get in a manual at the weekends, especially a pre 3.0 elite! As there are nearly none left anymore :y
You're not selling it to me ::) ... especially a ton & half barge like an Omega - they're not exactly a sports car, even in MV6 guise ;) I can see no enjoyment in working a clutch on today's roads, it's bad enough queueing with 2 pedals, let alone 3
Tbh I can't wait to get rid of my dti man estate, as soon as my mv6 is on the road it will be ditched. 2 pedals any day for me. :y
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I sold my 2.6 last year on e-bay a member here bought it , believe me it was excellent went for £750. A lot of car for a pittance. That was manual with a comprehensive service history maintained regardless of expense.
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Quite agree tilbo, a lot of car for no money especially after loads of money spent.
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Dunno why people worry about what any car is worth,if you like it then look after it,drive it and enjoy the experience,after all, in general it's a used item and therefore not going to increase in value any time soon :y
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nitro...... that's what I said about the mk2 Granadas I used run back in the day, I couldn't afford to buy a good one now, leave alone a mk1 ::)
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That's why in my limited time left on this mortal coil I regrettably will never see the Omega make classic status or attain a mahoosive jump in prices.Although I'm biased I think my three cars are in good fettle and would make reasonable sums if and when I have to sell them,but no way will I ever get the many thousands of pounds spent on them back.My son has made it quite clear that at that time when I can't manage my own affairs,then he would have my VXR8 and the Omegas off me and all would be got rid of PDQ! So I'm going to enjoy owning and driving them until that day and the longer it carries on the longer it'll piss the son off ::) ;)
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I quite agree nitro, a portion of monies spent on our fine cars needs to be absorbed as part of our hobby but selling them for a few hundred after all that time money blood sweat makes no sense at all. I will enjoy mine for the years to come as long as I can afford to keep it, if the time comes I can't afford to keep it dry storage is only £20 a week, better that than giving it away. I've not long sold my 93 L Carlton 2.0 cdx manual with 56 on the clock for £1450 without even advertising it and I was still a few hundred down after I finished all the work but I understand that's the hobby, no probs :y
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Dunno why people worry about what any car is worth,if you like it then look after it,drive it and enjoy the experience,after all, in general it's a used item and therefore not going to increase in value any time soon :y
That's hit the nail right on the head, if you enjoy driving & maintain a car as it should be done there is nothing better especially if it is not the common "eurobox" and just because it is older has no bearing to its value to the owner. I could afford a more modern vehicle but prefer something just a little bit different ,as I have said before if I had a bigger garage I would have kept my Omega as well they really are in my opinion great cars.
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That's why in my limited time left on this mortal coil I regrettably will never see the Omega make classic status or attain a mahoosive jump in prices.Although I'm biased I think my three cars are in good fettle and would make reasonable sums if and when I have to sell them,but no way will I ever get the many thousands of pounds spent on them back.My son has made it quite clear that at that time when I can't manage my own affairs,then he would have my VXR8 and the Omegas off me and all would be got rid of PDQ! So I'm going to enjoy owning and driving them until that day and the longer it carries on the longer it'll piss the son off ::) ;)
I think you need to dis-inherit your son and leave your cars to us hoof'ers will look after them, and give them a home.
Will have the papers drawn up ready for you to sign, after your curry and rocket fuel. :y :D
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Andy B, I spend my life in an automatic car at work to the tune of 1000 miles per week, nice to get in a manual at the weekends, especially a pre 3.0 elite! As there are nearly none left anymore :y
You're not selling it to me ::) ... especially a ton & half barge like an Omega - they're not exactly a sports car, even in MV6 guise ;) I can see no enjoyment in working a clutch on today's roads, it's bad enough queueing with 2 pedals, let alone 3
I think that we have been down this road many times and established that you`re just lazy :-* ;D
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I think that we have been down this road many times
we have ....... many many times
and established that you`re just lazy :-* ;D
No .... I'm right! ;) ;D ;D that's why 3 pedals were an option & not standard like 2 were :y :-*
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I think that we have been down this road many times
we have ....... many many times
and established that you`re just lazy :-* ;D
No .... I'm right! ;) ;D ;D that's why 3 pedals were an option & not standard like 2 were :y :-*
Actually, the autobox was the option on the Omega... except the 3.2 which was publicly sold as auto only... ::)
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Wrong,manual gearbox was a no cost option instead of standard autobox on prefacelift elites. :-*
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Hi prefacelift
It is not the time for selling an Omega. It is the time to buy an Omega and to keep it.
Patience!
Omega B prices will follow Senator B prices. 10 years ago you could get a drive able Senator B 24 V for a handful of coins. Today you have to pay 2.000 € to an object of restoration. Mint Senators are reaching the 10.000 € line.
Keep your Omega and you will remember my word 10 years ahead with a wide smile on your face.
Best regards
Rolf
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Wrong,manual gearbox was a no cost option instead of standard autobox on prefacelift elites. :-*
Thanks. :y
The only option was NOT leather :y
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Having driven many vehicles, of different shapes and sizes, and weights, TWO pedals' is the best option, and nearly always the only option.
I think manual is fast becoming obsolete,.
They ultimate test is sitting in traffic, auto is so easy, and hassle free.
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Unless you're getting on a bit in which case autoboxes usually mean heading for the nearest dock or cliff edge at great speed. :D
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Unless you're getting on a bit in which case autoboxes usually mean heading for the nearest dock or cliff edge at great speed. :D
That's usually after you've already hit something whilst moving in the other direction. I've pulled OAPs automatic cars off bollards, walls, other cars, different height drives, and on one memorable occasion out of a swimming pool
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Unless you're getting on a bit in which case autoboxes usually mean heading for the nearest dock or cliff edge at great speed. :D
... or the chip shop in our case. ::)
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and on one memorable occasion out of a swimming pool
It wasn't a Rolls Royce, was it, Nick? ;)
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Prefacelift, you have the exact same car I'm looking to buy. Exact year range (MFL), color, trim and gear box. Haven't been able to find it yet, so I'm holding out. Found a few in the wrong color, wrong gear box, wrong year range or wrong trim.
Thankfully over here it seems to be a little bit less rare than back in the UK. So I haven't lost hope.
I must be living here for too long but I came to find it ridiculous how cheap cars are in the UK. If I had a car like yours and somebody offered me 250 for it I would be inclined to spit on his face or something. Anything less than a 1000 over here will be a basket case or rust bucket. I mean how can a car like the Omega go for 250? It has more than that just in parts or metal weight alone probably. I would NEVER sell it for that.
And I am with you. Manual transmission all the way. :y
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Rolf I here what you say but I shouldn't imagine it'll still exist in 10 years unless it gets bubble wrapped and put in the oven from today......
Anv6, that's why I bought the car straight away as soon as I noticed it was manual, if it had been auto I would probably have walked past it, hope you find one, there is or was a black mfl 3.0 elite saloon on eBay for no money but it's auto, ideal for a manual conversion though...... :y
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Rolf I here what you say but I shouldn't imagine it'll still exist in 10 years unless it gets bubble wrapped and put in the oven from today......
Anv6, that's why I bought the car straight away as soon as I noticed it was manual, if it had been auto I would probably have walked past it, hope you find one, there is or was a black mfl 3.0 elite saloon on eBay for no money but it's auto, ideal for a manual conversion though...... :y
Yes, this is my plan B. Before I go for one in the wrong year range, wrong color, wrong trim, wrong engine or in bad nick, I will go for one with everything right but the gearbox. Then will do a manual conversion. Hopefully that won't be too expensive. I mean the gearbox itself seems to be affordable enough. But the work itself...
Sometimes I wonder what would be easier. Convert a 3.0 to manual or convert a 2.5 manual to a 3.0. I mean the engine blocks are the same so it must be just a few different bits to bring a 2.5 to 3.0 or even 3.2 if we are already at it.
And do you really believe it won't survive another 10 years or are you just being sarcastic? I mean there are plenty of Carltons around and they rust more and are much older. There are plenty of older ones too like Monzas and Rekords and also old Fords like Granadas, Cortinas etc.
I think the Omega will survive just fine. :y
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I've just sold my last Carlton that I converted from auto to manual, it was only a 2.0 but very solid no rust at all 56000 on the clock, nice old car and very reliable.
If you're gonna find a 2.5 manual I would put a 3.0 in it plus engine ecu if needed, I wouldn't put a 3.2 as it will need a different engine loom and all sorts will be different, will turn into a head ache. 2.5 and 3.0 are more reliable than the later engines. Manual conversions aren't that difficult as I've done it before but you lose cruise control because wirings different so you need to some bypassing to get it to work again, getting the reverse lights to work can be a pain, there is other things I've forgotten, it depends how much you want to get involved with it.
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For me the least involvement the better. At least at the moment.
I was not thinking about swapping the 2.5 for a 3.0. I was more thinking along the lines of converting a 2.5 into a 3.0. It's the same basic engine right?
Depending on what's involved it may be easier than doing a gearbox swap since for that I would have to have the car on a lift and I don't have one. So I will have to pay somebody to do it.
But if converting a 2.5 to a 3.0 is possible and it's only a matter of switching parts like head etc, it may be possible to do it without taking the engine out. Then I could potentially do it myself.
But I'm just speculating based on the impression that I always thought all the V6s were the same engine block etc.
About the Carlton, I would not mind having a 3.0 GSi at all. I always liked them. And if Carltons and even Cortinas have survived, I would say Omegas will too.
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Blocks and heads are different 2.5-3.0 ::)
Ignore that 'dangle berries' about the later engines being less reliable ;D My late 3.2 manual estate has covered over 280,000 miles on the original engine, box and diff, none of it gently and is still going strong.
2.5s and to a lesser degree 3.0s WILL require headgaskets at some point... unlikely with the later engines due to far better gaskets. And one year of 2.6 production has an issue with valve stem seals, 2001 iirc. Only the 3.2 has a forged crank though...
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Blocks and heads are different 2.5-3.0 ::)
OK, so that means buying a 2.5 manual is out of question unless it has extremely low miles and is in super ultra great nick and for a super great price.
Swamping a manual into an auto 3.0 will be way easier and cheaper than swapping the engine. I think the biggest work will probably be finding and adding the clutch and pedal?
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Swapping engine is as easy...
Keep telling you, buy the best condition car you can find and modify it to suit ::)
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Unless you're getting on a bit in which case autoboxes usually mean heading for the nearest dock or cliff edge at great speed. :D
That's usually after you've already hit something whilst moving in the other direction. I've pulled OAPs automatic cars off bollards, walls, other cars, different height drives, and on one memorable occasion out of a swimming pool
Did it belong to Keith Moon? :D
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Swapping engine is as easy...
Keep telling you, buy the best condition car you can find and modify it to suit ::)
Well, getting a 2.0 car for example would take too much to get where I want. It would mean replacing engine, gearbox, the whole interior, including gauges cluster etc.
Getting an automatic MV6, like I said before is doable. Apart from that it's more work than I'm looking for at the moment. ;)
As for swapping the engine being easy, I think the gear box is still easier? Do you have to take the engine out to swap the gear box?
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Nope. Buy the nicest manual and go from there...
Instrument cluster takes a minute to swap... literally. Ok you might have to move a couple of pins on the engine to body plugs to get it working.
Starting with an auto is harder as they have two ecus and bodging the wiring can cause chaos.
I must admit that I find it irksome when people say what their ideal Omega is and don't accept that they cannot simply buy them ready to go... suggests either a lack of imagination, vision or drive imho :-\
Looking at ebay.de, €6,000 would buy you a very nice, loaded 3.2... perhaps a better prospect given that clean original and unmolested cars are going to appreciate far sooner...
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Nope. Buy the nicest manual and go from there...
Instrument cluster takes a minute to swap... literally. Ok you might have to move a couple of pins on the engine to body plugs to get it working.
Starting with an auto is harder as they have two ecus and bodging the wiring can cause chaos.
I must admit that I find it irksome when people say what their ideal Omega is and don't accept that they cannot simply buy them ready to go... suggests either a lack of imagination, vision or drive imho :-\
Looking at ebay.de, €6,000 would buy you a very nice, loaded 3.2... perhaps a better prospect given that clean original and unmolested cars are going to appreciate far sooner...
I understand what you are saying. But I'm not desperate yet. I haven't been looking for that long. Maybe after 6 months in I will start considering all the other more laborious ways. ;)
I want the full leather interior of the MV6 and swapping a full interior will be hard, let alone finding one to swap in.
So the way I see it it's only a 3.0 MV6 for now.
A 3.2 will be a FL car and automatic. This means not only swapping gearbox but also swapping hood, bumpers, headlights, tail lights, rear quarters, well you know. I would have to keep it as a FL. I will only do that for a mint condition car, very low mileage and which ticks all boxes all for a great price.
I didn't realize the manual gearbox transplant was that complicated, since many people have recommended that here.
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It isn't, but there are a lot of parts beyond the gearbox that you need... if you're considering a gearbox swap it is best done with a complete donor car to hand...
Conversely, to convert a manual 2.5/2.6 to the 3.0/3.2 you only need the engine and ecu*... it's literally plug and play, even the looms are the same. And actually the 2.5/2.6 ecus will run the larger engine perfectly happily.
*Ecu in this context means the engine ecu, immobiliser ring and key chip (plus the car pass in an ideal world).
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It isn't, but there are a lot of parts beyond the gearbox that you need... if you're considering a gearbox swap it is best done with a complete donor car to hand...
Conversely, to convert a manual 2.5/2.6 to the 3.0/3.2 you only need the engine and ecu*... it's literally plug and play, even the looms are the same. And actually the 2.5/2.6 ecus will run the larger engine perfectly happily.
*Ecu in this context means the engine ecu, immobiliser ring and key chip (plus the car pass in an ideal world).
Main problem with the motor is I have no chance of finding one local. It will have to be shipped. So probably can check it before, and I will have to pay expensive shipping. Then I have no way of doing it myself. This means more money for labor.
Then I don't believe the 2.5 was ever available with the leather interior. Swapping one in is hard, probably not cheap and most likely as hard to find as finding a running MV6.
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It isn't, but there are a lot of parts beyond the gearbox that you need... if you're considering a gearbox swap it is best done with a complete donor car to hand...
Conversely, to convert a manual 2.5/2.6 to the 3.0/3.2 you only need the engine and ecu*... it's literally plug and play, even the looms are the same. And actually the 2.5/2.6 ecus will run the larger engine perfectly happily.
*Ecu in this context means the engine ecu, immobiliser ring and key chip (plus the car pass in an ideal world).
Main problem with the motor is I have no chance of finding one local. It will have to be shipped. So probably can check it before, and I will have to pay expensive shipping. Then I have no way of doing it myself. This means more money for labor.
Then I don't believe the 2.5 was ever available with the leather interior. Swapping one in is hard, probably not cheap and most likely as hard to find as finding a running MV6.
With that attitude you're bollaxed... (And I make no apologies for my lack of vision/imagination observation I made previously...), your approach to this so called 'search' epitomises my point to a tee.
It's only 8 bolts to change the front seats and six to change the rears. And leather was optional across the range, albeit at a price. Euroland actually has a better choice of leather colours than here .
If you're not doing the work yourself, then buy this car and forget about your wishlist...
Estate: http://m.ebay.de/itm/Opel-Omega-Caravan-3-2-V6-Exec-Leder-Navi-el-SD-/351903863263?nav=SEARCH
Saloon: http://m.ebay.de/itm/Opel-Omega-3-2-V6-Executive-1-Hd-Leder-BOSE-Navi-Xeno-/351912197004?nav=SEARCH
And actually scratch that, buy this 2.5 manual and fit leather and a 3.0 lump...http://m.ebay.de/itm/Opel-Omega-B-Modell-2-5V6-Typ-Limousine-Kilometerstand-189-000-Km-Bj-1999-/351914366226?nav=SEARCH
That's about as constructive as I am prepared to be.
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Estate: http://m.ebay.de/itm/Opel-Omega-Caravan-3-2-V6-Exec-Leder-Navi-el-SD-/351903863263?nav=SEARCH
Saloon: http://m.ebay.de/itm/Opel-Omega-3-2-V6-Executive-1-Hd-Leder-BOSE-Navi-Xeno-/351912197004?nav=SEARCH
And actually scratch that, buy this 2.5 manual and fit leather and a 3.0 lump...http://m.ebay.de/itm/Opel-Omega-B-Modell-2-5V6-Typ-Limousine-Kilometerstand-189-000-Km-Bj-1999-/351914366226?nav=SEARCH
That's about as constructive as I am prepared to be.
Those prices, are good, even when converted to sterling, very near RB prices.
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It isn't, but there are a lot of parts beyond the gearbox that you need... if you're considering a gearbox swap it is best done with a complete donor car to hand...
Conversely, to convert a manual 2.5/2.6 to the 3.0/3.2 you only need the engine and ecu*... it's literally plug and play, even the looms are the same. And actually the 2.5/2.6 ecus will run the larger engine perfectly happily.
*Ecu in this context means the engine ecu, immobiliser ring and key chip (plus the car pass in an ideal world).
Main problem with the motor is I have no chance of finding one local. It will have to be shipped. So probably can check it before, and I will have to pay expensive shipping. Then I have no way of doing it myself. This means more money for labor.
Then I don't believe the 2.5 was ever available with the leather interior. Swapping one in is hard, probably not cheap and most likely as hard to find as finding a running MV6.
With that attitude you're bollaxed... (And I make no apologies for my lack of vision/imagination observation I made previously...), your approach to this so called 'search' epitomises my point to a tee.
It's only 8 bolts to change the front seats and six to change the rears. And leather was optional across the range, albeit at a price. Euroland actually has a better choice of leather colours than here .
If you're not doing the work yourself, then buy this car and forget about your wishlist...
Estate: http://m.ebay.de/itm/Opel-Omega-Caravan-3-2-V6-Exec-Leder-Navi-el-SD-/351903863263?nav=SEARCH
Saloon: http://m.ebay.de/itm/Opel-Omega-3-2-V6-Executive-1-Hd-Leder-BOSE-Navi-Xeno-/351912197004?nav=SEARCH
And actually scratch that, buy this 2.5 manual and fit leather and a 3.0 lump...http://m.ebay.de/itm/Opel-Omega-B-Modell-2-5V6-Typ-Limousine-Kilometerstand-189-000-Km-Bj-1999-/351914366226?nav=SEARCH
That's about as constructive as I am prepared to be.
Thanks. But as I said I'm not prepared to go this way yet. I had seen the 7 thousand quid car before. Wouldn't pay that for something that doesn't tick all the boxes.
I'm not in a hurry. We have 2 other cars. I will wait til the right car comes around. I'm sure it will. ;)