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Chat Area => General Discussion Area => Topic started by: BazaJT on 15 May 2017, 20:18:36
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So it's been reported that he's on his death bed and is being given end of life care.I'm not usually one for wishing ill on people but in his case I hope it's long slow and excrutiatingly painful
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If I was his nurse I'd stick pins in his bollicks.
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Hope the bastid dies as painfully as possible. >:(
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Should have died swinging on the end of a rope a long time ago. I hope there is a hell and there is a special corner reserved for him.
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Just announced that he has died.
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Yup .. on the BBC web site now ...
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-39929538
Long may he rot in hell
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Unless he coughed it on his deathbed i suppose they won,t find the remains of the young lad now. :(
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:( whenever I drive over saddleworth moor it always gives me the creeps , just thinking of those poor kids , awful place, even in summer it looks a desolate miserable place , the chances of finding that poor lads remains have gone now , just awful for his family :'(
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May he rot in hell evil bastard..£11,000,000 of taxpayers money completely wasted.
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May he rot in hell evil bastard..£11,000,000 of taxpayers money completely wasted.
This begs an interesting question, back then we were still very much into capital punishment I think? How did Brady escape an appointment with Mr Pierrepoint?
I don't know enough about his conviction to know.
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May he rot in hell evil bastard..£11,000,000 of taxpayers money completely wasted.
This begs an interesting question, back then we were still very much into capital punishment I think? How did Brady escape an appointment with Mr Pierrepoint?
I don't know enough about his conviction to know.
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I believe capital punishment in the UK was abolished in 1965.
'Moors murders' took place in 1966......I think.
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May he rot in hell evil bastard..£11,000,000 of taxpayers money completely wasted.
This begs an interesting question, back then we were still very much into capital punishment I think? How did Brady escape an appointment with Mr Pierrepoint?
I don't know enough about his conviction to know.
Capital Punishment was abolished in UK in November 1965. Brady and Hindley were tried in April 1966 .
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Capital Punishment was abolished in UK in November 1965. Brady and Hindley were tried in April 1966 .
Ah, so to (tastelessly) quote one K. Bruce.. "One Year Out!"
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The abolition (if it had to come into law) should have been delayed until those two had been tried. It would have saved taxpayers millions, and made the world a better place.
Personally, I'm all for bringing it back.
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Regardless of the death penalty,I think the hope[however forlorn]was that the remains of all the victims would be found.Sadly even that very faint hope has now been finally extinguished forever.Perhaps a case should have been made all those years ago for the use of a truth serum type drug?
I'm a big fan of the moors and dales but I have to agree with redelitev6 Saddleworth Moor does seem to me to be a bleak and desolate place every time I pass by it,maybe it's the connection that does it I don't know.
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I think that the fires of hell have been burning especially fiercely for that bastard!
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Baza, you just beat me to it! I was going to say, forget the ethics of the situation, for that evil c*nt Sodium Pentothal should have been administered years ago.
Ron.
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He was one evil bastard, and now he has gone we can celebrate.
Trouble is there is always yet another evil bastard to replace him and those like him >:(
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He was one evil bastard, and now he has gone we can celebrate.
Trouble is there is always yet another evil bastard to replace him and those like him >:(
Exactly that, Lizzie.
However....despite all the hate that has been portrayed on here, and other media outlets.......what chance of there being a return to capital punishment vote/result !!!!!!!!!! I would say nil !!!! >:(
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It's not something they would ever put to the public vote, that's for certain. I couldn't even imagine it going to a vote in parliament. Also, given that even today we are still seeing people exhonorated and released years after a successful conviction, its difficult to support.
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I agree with you, but those being exonerated !!! were convicted before today's science. Those convicted today are more subject to our increasing technology. Also the term...'Beyond a shadow of doubt'...comes into play.....example, Lee Rigby's killers, caught in the act......
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..example, Lee Rigby's killers, caught in the act......
True. But even in a similar example to the one you give (being caught in the act, on camera, with witnesseswtc etc), it may be necessary to make a judgement as to whether the perpetrators of a crime are subject to some kind of mental illness or a temporary disorder of the mind.
I know the yanks are comfortable with executing the mentally disturbed. I like to believe we have higher standards.
In practice, thos would mean any defence worth their salt would argue a temporary disorder of the mind. It'd be a brave beak indeed that sentenced to death someone who claimed that.
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Should they have swung? Probably. But they didn't.
Fifty years on, it isn't worth debating.
Certainly there has been far too much coverage of one individual.
It's done now and should be left well alone... A cursory note in the Times and call it done rather than all this nonsense.
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Agreed DG.
By all accounts what he wanted was to eek out as much pain from the Families and celebrity from the media to the bitterest of ends.
It is sad but it will forever be true that more people remember his name than that if Keith Bennet, or any org the other victims.
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Apparently the sick F__ck want his ashes thrown over the Moors
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I don't know how large the Moors are, but is it feasible to employ Time Team tactics and survey likely locations? If they can find Roman burials, surely.....?
Ron.
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Apparently the sick F__ck want his ashes thrown over the Moors
At best insensitive, but equally, not something that needed to ever be public knowledge. Ultimately such an act means more to those left behind than the general population, and then only if you believe in it.
Don't recall any uproar about where any other mass murderers are deposited. :-X
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It's being said that there would be nothing illegal about scattering his ashes on Saddleworth Moor, but I'd like to see them try. As far as I know, he has no family to insist his wishes are carried out so I doubt the situation will arise.
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It's being said that there would be nothing illegal about scattering his ashes on Saddleworth Moor, but I'd like to see them try. As far as I know, he has no family to insist his wishes are carried out so I doubt the situation will arise.
Flushing them down the toilet would seem appropiate ::)
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Apparently the sick F__ck want his ashes thrown over the Moors
At best insensitive, but equally, not something that needed to ever be public knowledge. Ultimately such an act means more to those left behind than the general population, and then only if you believe in it.
Don't recall any uproar about where any other mass murderers are deposited. :-X
Exactly. :y
I don't feel sad that we didn't execute this man. I feel that he got the best justice we could have served - to lose his freedom and to spend a long life and lingering death hopefully in contemplation over how he chose to lead his life.
What I do feel sad about, is that he has constantly been given the oxygen of publicity, both when he was "inside", goading the authorities and the family of Keith Bennett over the location of his remains, and now in death. It is this which has made it so difficult for the families of his victims to move on, I'm sure. >:(
He should have been locked up and forgotten about with no access to or interest from the outside world.
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Well said, Kevin.
It is the media, be it the TV companies, Radio or daily rags....they dig the gutter and any area for any story that will raise passions. They have no morals or feelings. I often wonder whether they are any better than the filth they report and prey on. >:(
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I still say we need to shoot far more people. Firstly all the do-gooders and Opti's ugly bitch.
Then the more hardened criminals.
Then see how that pans out as a deterent
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I don't feel sad that we didn't execute this man. I feel that he got the best justice we could have served - to lose his freedom and to spend a long life and lingering death hopefully in contemplation over how he chose to lead his life.
What I do feel sad about, is that he has constantly been given the oxygen of publicity, both when he was "inside", goading the authorities and the family of Keith Bennett over the location of his remains, and now in death. It is this which has made it so difficult for the families of his victims to move on, I'm sure. >:(
He should have been locked up and forgotten about with no access to or interest from the outside world.
Yes, I don't agree with the death penalty, but believe that life should mean life! :y
It shouldn't cost a fortune either to keep a 'lifer' in a bare cell with just the breeze block pattern to look at for the rest of their days. ::)
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Report on the radio today said it cost £10 million to keep him in prison over the years.
A length of rope would have costa couple of quid.
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And we all know who on here is willing to pull the lever. :)
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Come now, lets not be hasty. All he did was kill a few little kiddies and lost them on the Moors above Lesser Manchester. And he was criminally insane, as in quite ill.
Which is why he was "looked after" in a building that has NHS signage.
It's not like he waged war on his own citizens and bombed 1000's of innocent civilians.
It's not like he paid Eminent Academics to make up bogus research proving that smoking is actually good for you. It's not like he dropped the atomic bomb on 2 Japanese cities, using the excuse that it would bring a swift end to the war when in fact the real reason was that he wanted to show the Russians how Mighty he was. It's not like as the leader of a major world religion he told millions of Africans that it would be a sin to wear condoms, thus not stopping the spread of HIV and Aids leading to millions of deaths.
It's not like he sole handedly increased the prices of drugs into the third world thus meaning that many millions wouldn't be able to afford basic health care and would die. It's not like he's presided over the gradual destruction of the NHS leading to tens of thousands of mistakes, leading to death and disablement. It's not like he took money off the disabled and left them alone and destitute and suicidal leading to 100's of deaths.
Yes he was a nasty piece of work, Yes he killed innocent children, but please lets not turn this place into the Daily Mail. There are many more evil people in the world at large and many of them are in Charge of whole countries, religions and Global Conglomerates.
On the other hand, I used to drive past the entrance to Ashworth on my way to work and the staff, clearly had a death wish, the way they pulled out onto the main road without looking.
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No one was more evil than him. End of.
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No one was more evil than him. End of.
Really ?
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Really.
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Ignore him Stemo , he sounds nuts to me.
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Come now, lets not be hasty. All he did was kill a few little kiddies and lost them on the Moors above Lesser Manchester. And he was criminally insane, as in quite ill.
Which is why he was "looked after" in a building that has NHS signage.
It's not like he waged war on his own citizens and bombed 1000's of innocent civilians.
It's not like he paid Eminent Academics to make up bogus research proving that smoking is actually good for you. It's not like he dropped the atomic bomb on 2 Japanese cities, using the excuse that it would bring a swift end to the war when in fact the real reason was that he wanted to show the Russians how Mighty he was. It's not like as the leader of a major world religion he told millions of Africans that it would be a sin to wear condoms, thus not stopping the spread of HIV and Aids leading to millions of deaths.
It's not like he sole handedly increased the prices of drugs into the third world thus meaning that many millions wouldn't be able to afford basic health care and would die. It's not like he's presided over the gradual destruction of the NHS leading to tens of thousands of mistakes, leading to death and disablement. It's not like he took money off the disabled and left them alone and destitute and suicidal leading to 100's of deaths.
Yes he was a nasty piece of work, Yes he killed innocent children, but please lets not turn this place into the Daily Mail. There are many more evil people in the world at large and many of them are in Charge of whole countries, religions and Global Conglomerates.
On the other hand, I used to drive past the entrance to Ashworth on my way to work and the staff, clearly had a death wish, the way they pulled out onto the main road without looking.
Ok, all true.
BUT the minute we as a society start accepting that one murder of a child is part of everyday life and there are many more evil cases to consider on a national, global, scale is the minute we devalue life as a whole and us as individuals. We discredit ourselves and are then on the path of genacide on a world scale as in the case of German National Socialism in the 1930's. The nation mattered, not individuals as they were expendable no matter how they were killed. Individuals were political and military fodder, with Jews, Communists, Trade Unionists, then anyone who disobeyed the Furher killed as a side issue for the greater good of the State. The Soviet Union and Stalin had a very similar view on life. Once you reach that point you have accepted the death of millions.
So 5 children buried on Saddlemoor was one hell of an evil act by a madman, pervert, who should have been hung. No he was not a Hitler, but Hitler also a maniac did not directly kill anyone; his many evil cronies did. Brady did though directly kill 5 children, breaking the hearts of 5 sets of parents and relatives. When can any society that calls themselves "caring" just accept that and almost justify it by comparing it to State killings during war or political skullduggery? When do we as a people just say to the parents of those children, or any others killed by perverts, "oh well, there is far worse that can happen in life around the World, so just accept it and move on"?
The fact is if we are a caring society we will celebrate the death of someone as evil as Brady and make no excuses for it. We celebrate his death just as those in 1945 celebrated the death of Hitler and many of those directly responsible for the deaths of innocents.
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I still say we need to shoot far more people. Firstly all the do-gooders and Opti's ugly bitch.
Then the more hardened criminals.
Then see how that pans out as a deterent
Sounds reasonable to me. :y
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Celebrate is very much the wrong word >:(
Equally comparing a pair of deviants, no matter how depraved and heinous, with Hitler is oppsing ridiculous however you try and dress it up.
For the record, I don't believe that Hitler actually personally killed anyone. He bears a responsibility for the death of millions. Of that there is no doubt, but with his bare hands? I don't think so.
Once again sensational bullshit provides unwarranted attention to individuals or circumstances which deserve no acknowledgement, here or anywhere else, and quite frankly only serves to highlight all that is wrong with the world.
Evil people exist, and contrary to popular belief, they don't exist to make the rest of us feel better. This misguided fallacy is just as self serving as any deviance. Perhaps moreso by virtue of sheer scale.
And if you think I am speaking out of turn, a near perfect example of this disgusting, self serving hypocrisy manifested itself on another thread about a crashed Omega...
And I quote,"I hope it wasn't anyone here."
Really? Why does the fact that someone is or isn't known to us determine whether they are people or not?
Utterly shameful behaviour, and an embarrassment to humanity.
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The guy was an evil c u next Tuesday and deserved hell. Like he dished out to his victims n their families.
it was reported ages ago that he was on hunger strikes cos he wanted to die. Well if that was the case then I am glad he was denied that wish. Though I'd have thrown in daily torture on top of his force feeding.
Scum of the Earth and I hope they one day find Keith Bennetts body and finally lay him to rest.
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Did you honestly know Keith Bennetts name before last week?
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Did you honestly know Keith Bennetts name before last week?
Yes. And even if I didn't would that take away my sincerity of wanting the family to find the remains of their poor child?
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Flushing them down the toilet would seem appropiate ::)
That was my suggestion too :y
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I don't know how large the Moors are,
They're ****ing HUGE
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Flushing them down the toilet would seem appropiate ::)
That was my suggestion too :y
What crematorium would take on the task though, I'd never put a relative through it if I knew he'd been through it ?
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I still say we need to shoot far more people. Firstly all the do-gooders and Opti's ugly bitch.
Then the more hardened criminals.
Then see how that pans out as a deterent
Sounds reasonable to me. :y
Why pick on Miss Dusty, what has she done wrong. :-\ (Or have I missed something?)
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Shami Chakrahypocrite is the "lady" in question. ;)
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Did you honestly know Keith Bennetts name before last week?
Yes. And even if I didn't would that take away my sincerity of wanting the family to find the remains of their poor child?
Not questioning your sincerity or a families right to lay a loved one to rest. I didn't, and therefore felt the question a valid one.
Five children die every day in the UK: http://www.rcpch.ac.uk/improving-child-health/child-mortality/child-mortality
Does singling one out not perform an injustice to the rest?
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Did you honestly know Keith Bennetts name before last week?
Yes. And even if I didn't would that take away my sincerity of wanting the family to find the remains of their poor child?
Not questioning your sincerity or a families right to lay a loved one to rest. I didn't, and therefore felt the question a valid one.
Five children die every day in the UK: http://www.rcpch.ac.uk/improving-child-health/child-mortality/child-mortality
Does singling one out not perform an injustice to the rest?
I wasn't singling any one of the child victims out. I mentioned Keith Bennet because TO MY KNOWLEDGE he was the only one that was never found and therefore his case is still open and surely that means his family can't properly grieve until he is found. (If my knowledge is incorrect feel free to berate me with lots of rolly eye smileys :y)
With regards to 5 children dying every day in the UK.... I did not know this. However the topic here is about Ian Brady so I felt like replying if that's ok with you :-\
May I suggest you set up another thread where we can discuss the link you posted?
As for this thread I'm not replying anymore cos I can't be arsed to justify every response I make. :y
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Remind me again why the murder of a minor is any more shocking than the murder of an adult?
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Remind me again why the murder of a minor is any more shocking than the murder of an adult?
Because a child is far more vulnerable than an adult.
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Yep.More vulnerable, defenceless and trusting, so easier prey for evil cowards.
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Did you honestly know Keith Bennetts name before last week?
Yes. And even if I didn't would that take away my sincerity of wanting the family to find the remains of their poor child?
Not questioning your sincerity or a families right to lay a loved one to rest. I didn't, and therefore felt the question a valid one.
Five children die every day in the UK: http://www.rcpch.ac.uk/improving-child-health/child-mortality/child-mortality
Does singling one out not perform an injustice to the rest?
I wasn't singling any one of the child victims out. I mentioned Keith Bennet because TO MY KNOWLEDGE he was the only one that was never found and therefore his case is still open and surely that means his family can't properly grieve until he is found. (If my knowledge is incorrect feel free to berate me with lots of rolly eye smileys :y)
With regards to 5 children dying every day in the UK.... I did not know this. However the topic here is about Ian Brady so I felt like replying if that's ok with you :-\
May I suggest you set up another thread where we can discuss the link you posted?
As for this thread I'm not replying anymore cos I can't be arsed to justify every response I make. :y
Nor should you have too >:(
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Remind me again why the murder of a minor is any more shocking than the murder of an adult?
Well.....I can only go on my personal gut feeling. I think some murderers of an adult should be hanged, depending on the circumstances. I think every child murderer should be hanged, and I think I should get the job. :)
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Can I be your holiday relief cover please ? :)
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There are plenty of little bastids around where I work that need to be on the cull list.
Aren't these little shits supposed to be a school sometimes, or is it optional to turn up for the education services I pay for?
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There are plenty of little bastids around where I work that need to be on the cull list.
Aren't these little shits supposed to be a school sometimes, or is it optional to turn up for the education services I pay for?
There's an easy answer to that, but no one is brave enough to do it. Make the parents actually take responsibility for their kids. I.e. if they don't go to school and behave while they are there, then you're going to court and possibly jail. If you are an Eastern European and you think your kids can act as they do in your shithole of a country, then you're all going back there. :)
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There are plenty of little bastids around where I work that need to be on the cull list.
Aren't these little shits supposed to be a school sometimes, or is it optional to turn up for the education services I pay for?
There's an easy answer to that, but no one is brave enough to do it. Make the parents actually take responsibility for their kids. I.e. if they don't go to school and behave while they are there, then you're going to court and possibly jail. If you are an Eastern European and you think your kids can act as they do in your shithole of a country, then you're all going back there. :)
As a child I would have needed to loose a major limb in order to miss school.
Stomach ache or 'I don't feel well' simply didn't work.
Of course once at school, and after the register, I would often take the day off. ;D
It's amazing I passed the old 11 plus.
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There are plenty of little bastids around where I work that need to be on the cull list.
Aren't these little shits supposed to be a school sometimes, or is it optional to turn up for the education services I pay for?
There's an easy answer to that, but no one is brave enough to do it. Make the parents actually take responsibility for their kids. I.e. if they don't go to school and behave while they are there, then you're going to court and possibly jail. If you are an Eastern European and you think your kids can act as they do in your shithole of a country, then you're all going back there. :)
As a child I would have needed to loose a major limb in order to miss school.
Stomach ache or 'I don't feel well' simply didn't work.
Of course once at school, and after the register, I would often take the day off. ;D
It's amazing I passed the old 11 plus.
I would have thought school was infinitely preferable to sagging off in Lincolnshire. What did you do all day? Go carrot rustling? ;D
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I would have thought school was infinitely preferable to sagging off in Lincolnshire. What did you do all day? Go carrot rustling? ;D
He must have gone to a seriously boring school. ;D
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Did you honestly know Keith Bennetts name before last week?
Yes. And even if I didn't would that take away my sincerity of wanting the family to find the remains of their poor child?
Not questioning your sincerity or a families right to lay a loved one to rest. I didn't, and therefore felt the question a valid one.
Five children die every day in the UK: http://www.rcpch.ac.uk/improving-child-health/child-mortality/child-mortality
Does singling one out not perform an injustice to the rest?
I wasn't singling any one of the child victims out. I mentioned Keith Bennet because TO MY KNOWLEDGE he was the only one that was never found and therefore his case is still open and surely that means his family can't properly grieve until he is found. (If my knowledge is incorrect feel free to berate me with lots of rolly eye smileys :y)
With regards to 5 children dying every day in the UK.... I did not know this. However the topic here is about Ian Brady so I felt like replying if that's ok with you :-\
May I suggest you set up another thread where we can discuss the link you posted?
As for this thread I'm not replying anymore cos I can't be arsed to justify every response I make. :y
:y :y :y :y Fully agree with you Webby :y :y :y
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Of course you do ;D
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Totally with you on parental responsibility, STEMO, and it can be readily enforced using existing laws: for example, it the said little bugger is below the age of criminal responsibilty anhd they offend, it doesn't mean that they haven't commited an offence - just that they cannot be prosecuted for it But their parents CAN, becuse they will be Aiding and Abetting a crime, so they are equally culpable. It's a great pity that teachers cannot discipline the sods in school. A good caning would concentrate the mind!
Ron.
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Aiding and abetting only applies if the either knowingly, actively or willingly facilitate the offences.
Negligence at best :-\
Take Optis example... mother walks kid to school, kid checks in then bunks off, returning only for afternoon register before being collected.
No way the parents can be held accountable for that ::)
Shits spending all weekend scratching cars and breaking windows however, is a different prospect...
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Totally with you on parental responsibility, STEMO, and it can be readily enforced using existing laws: for example, it the said little bugger is below the age of criminal responsibilty anhd they offend, it doesn't mean that they haven't commited an offence - just that they cannot be prosecuted for it But their parents CAN, becuse they will be Aiding and Abetting a crime, so they are equally culpable. It's a great pity that teachers cannot discipline the sods in school. A good caning would concentrate the mind!
Ron.
I made so many trips to see the headmaster for a beating there was a furrow in the floor.
I was told it was for my own good and 'character building'. :)
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Clearly it worked very well, your Doctorship - just think what you would have been like without those remedial beatings! :y 8)
Ron.
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Clearly it worked very well, your Doctorship - just think what you would have been like without those rectal poundings! :y 8)
Ron.
Fixed for accuracy.
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Aiding and abetting only applies if the either knowingly, actively or willingly facilitate the offences.
Negligence at best :-\
Take Optis example... mother walks kid to school, kid checks in then bunks off, returning only for afternoon register before being collected.
No way the parents can be held accountable for that ::)
Shits spending all weekend scratching cars and breaking windows however, is a different prospect...
IMO....had the kids been brought up correctly...doing that would not have been on the agenda !!!!!! (at least not in my day)
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Aiding and abetting only applies if the either knowingly, actively or willingly facilitate the offences.
Negligence at best :-\
Take Optis example... mother walks kid to school, kid checks in then bunks off, returning only for afternoon register before being collected.
No way the parents can be held accountable for that ::)
Shits spending all weekend scratching cars and breaking windows however, is a different prospect...
That's what I don't understand about "modern" schooling, I know I'm old, but when I went to school you always sat at the same desk, no matter which classroom you were in, and the teacher for that lesson ALWAYS knew who was there and who was missing. Missing pupils were reconciled with the main register, and if you had "bunked off" it was blatantly obvious.... and difficult to do...
And that was with manual registers .. with computors in every classroom it must be simple for a teacher to see who should be present, and even faster to record that they are not, when found to be missing, followup action can start instantly.
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There are plenty of little bastids around where I work that need to be on the cull list.
Aren't these little shits supposed to be a school sometimes, or is it optional to turn up for the education services I pay for?
There's an easy answer to that, but no one is brave enough to do it. Make the parents actually take responsibility for their kids. I.e. if they don't go to school and behave while they are there, then you're going to court and possibly jail. If you are an Eastern European and you think your kids can act as they do in your shithole of a country, then you're all going back there. :)
This is not so much an Eastern European problem as a traveller one, where most travellers have minimal education including UK ones even though the majority in the UK live in houses. It is due to major cultural issues, especially for girls where local educational authority home tutoring after the age of 11 or 12 is normal. Apart from this issue most Eastern Europeans have a better attitude and educational attainment as it is seen as a good route to having a better life. Ex-Soviet countries also allow their workforces easier and cheaper access to adult education as a route to updating and improving workplace skills. :y