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Chat Area => General Car Chat => Topic started by: michaelprg on 15 June 2011, 13:23:16
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howdoo! thought id share some pics and what not for those who like kit cars ;)
its "going to be a Haynes roadster" with a big twist
it'll have :
engine: x30xe (ported heads, custom manifolds to come out of the side of the bonnet :P
omega box r28
and all the usual sierra running gear
lightened flywheel c20xe using the xe cover and a c20let friction plate, weighing 6kg complete!
oh and a custom made prop.
should be rather quick!
and in the long run "id like to" run mega-squirt with throttle bodies
but i have to Iva it first ;)
http://www.haynes.co.uk/forums/showthread.php?t=6198
(http://i1134.photobucket.com/albums/m612/michaelprg/chassis%20haynes%20roadster/IMG_0521.jpg)
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plenty of other photos elsewhere and watch this space for when i get the engine mounted and running!
Michael
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Keep the pictures coming, Michael. :y
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Interesting project. Much respect for welding up the chassis rather than cheating like I did and buying one from Westfield. Looks like you've done a nice job too. :y
I take it the engine'll be a little lower in the final fitting. Forward visibility might be an issue as it stands? ;)
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Interesting project.......should go like shite off a shovel!! :y
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Interesting project.......should go like excrement off a polished digging implementl!! :y[/quote]
Refined that a tad for you Bob. :y :D ;D
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Interesting project.......should go like excrement off a polished digging implementl!! :y[/quote]
Refined that a tad for you Bob. :y :D ;D
;D ;D ;D
Thanks Albs, what would I do without your refinement!! ::)
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as for view i think a rather large bulge is in place! but yeah the chassis its self is nearly all welded just plates and suspension brackets to put on along with steering support and rear frame work.
in fairness i was surprised that i got good feedback i was umming and arring whether to post, but it seems as tho you are quite interested ill try and keep you all updated especially when it come to trialing the engine out in the car and my first drive etc! 8-)
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You could always ditch the plenum in favour of some downdraught throttle bodies to make it a little less tall.
http://www.nise7ens.net/alanevans.html
You know it makes sense. ;)
Kevin
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You could always ditch the plenum in favour of some downdraught throttle bodies to make it a little less tall.
http://www.nise7ens.net/alanevans.html
You know it makes sense. ;)
Kevin
I THINK IVE WET MY PANTS! ::)
well if you see on my first post i do mention "eventually" using throttle bodies with a stand alone system :P
but never thought it would look that good!!!
for times being though im using a vectra msd top :)
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just my opinion,
this engine too heavy and strong for that chasis..
dont know what type of welding you did, but they will be the first point to risk your life , if one of them decides to give up :-/
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would like to see more of the build as it progresses. :y
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I THINK IVE WET MY PANTS! ::)
First time I saw that car was about 15 minutes before this photo was taken.
(http://www.nise7ens.net/images/Main_Graphics/StormontLineup.jpg)
It was trundling up the hill towards Stormont where we had special permission to meet up prior to touring Northern Ireland.
I remember thinking that I'd be inclined to give it a few more beans up the hill, special permission and best behaviour or not. Then I did just that. [smiley=evil.gif]
Turned out he was chugging up the hill at idle. First job was to change the throttle cable. It went a little better after that. ;D
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just my opinion,
this engine too heavy and strong for that chasis..
dont know what type of welding you did, but they will be the first point to risk your life , if one of them decides to give up :-/
that's fair for you to think that , but don't worry i assure you and most importantly myself! that im sure my coded welding speaks for itself and that others have put big v8s and other v6 setups and there fine. you'll be surprised in just how strong theses chassis's actually are :P
a general rule of thumb obviously if the welder is good is that 1 inch of weld can usually take around a ton, so if you imaging all 50/60 welds on my car not including the extra long seam welds on some bits that it can take a goo beating :P
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I THINK IVE WET MY PANTS! ::)
First time I saw that car was about 15 minutes before this photo was taken.
(http://www.nise7ens.net/images/Main_Graphics/StormontLineup.jpg)
It was trundling up the hill towards Stormont where we had special permission to meet up prior to touring Northern Ireland.
I remember thinking that I'd be inclined to give it a few more beans up the hill, special permission and best behaviour or not. Then I did just that. [smiley=evil.gif]
Turned out he was chugging up the hill at idle. First job was to change the throttle cable. It went a little better after that. ;D
haha awesome! yeah i love the sight of a kit car :) knowing that a good selection are custom built just adds a nice story to it :) rather than seeing corsa after saxo after mondeo. ;D
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heres a couple more pics to keep you all happy :D
(http://i1134.photobucket.com/albums/m612/michaelprg/chassis%20haynes%20roadster/IMG_0607.jpg)
refurbing them and spraying them anthracite :P mmmmmm
(http://i1134.photobucket.com/albums/m612/michaelprg/chassis%20haynes%20roadster/IMG_0603.jpg)
my wishbones one painted and one primed :)
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oh Kevin in regards to what you said earlier about height
if you see pic above (tr8+tr9) the scuttle sits on that and that is roughly the same height as the top of the omega plenum so it should work out just nicely :)
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just my opinion,
this engine too heavy and strong for that chasis..
dont know what type of welding you did, but they will be the first point to risk your life , if one of them decides to give up :-/
that's fair for you to think that , but don't worry i assure you and most importantly myself! that im sure my coded welding speaks for itself and that others have put big v8s and other v6 setups and there fine. you'll be surprised in just how strong theses chassis's actually are :P
a general rule of thumb obviously if the welder is good is that 1 inch of weld can usually take around a ton, so if you imaging all 50/60 welds on my car not including the extra long seam welds on some bits that it can take a goo beating :P
Yep.. That chassis is strong enough for 200 BHP. No doubt there.
It looks quite similar to my Westfield SEIW actually. The only real weak point on them appears to be the cage supporting the diff and that's rarely a problem with anything less than a powerful V8 (i.e. not a rover!).
What gearbox are you going with? The reason I ask is that the Omega box has a rather short first gear for that application, in my opinion.
Not sure what other options are viable, having said that. I guess a type 9 with GM bellhousing would offer a good choice of ratios. Not sure how it would handle the power. Perhaps a BGH or similar uprated one would be OK?
Kevin
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ahh yeah i have a revised design for my diff cage and im using 5mm and 7mm plate to mount the diff.
im using the r28 box, yeah first gear is rather sharp but will make good impressions when pulling away haha lots of smoke :P
i like how smooth the box is tho as i have driven my dads omega and thaught it was ace! type 9's are good and so on but they just dont feel nicely refined, but what do you expect from an old design :)
Im trying to get what comfort i can ;) ;D
Do you still own your westy?
Michael
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i like how smooth the box is tho as i have driven my dads omega and thaught it was ace! type 9's are good and so on but they just dont feel nicely refined, but what do you expect from an old design :)
Yep. Agreed. The only reason the Type 9 lingers on is the availability of relatively cheap gearkits and detachable bellhousing, IMHO.
I have an MT75 in mine, which is a much better, stronger box, but, again, first gear is a little short and there's damn all you can do about it for sensible money.
Do you still own your westy?
Yep, although it's off the road at the moment. A stupid bint took a corner off it on a roundabout in January and I'm still trying to get it repaired. >:( Oh, there goes that vein in my forehead again. Better think about something else. ;)
Kevin
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Yep, although it's off the road at the moment. A stupid bint took a corner off it on a roundabout in January and I'm still trying to get it repaired. >:( Oh, there goes that vein in my forehead again. Better think about something else. ;)
Kevin[/quote]
Oh dear has it done structural damage? i take it that the woman person! hit the front offside wheel :(
on the lines of gearboxes i have to do a bit of machining of a spacer to accomodate the space lost from getting rid of the dual-mass , all this extra engineering for a 4 kilo fly :P
but damn will it rev nicely!! and sound amazing!
:P
dont they use the zetec in the model of westy you have?
i like the look of the seight :P now thats cool!
Michael
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What will it look like body wise. Are you staying with the Westie/Caterham style?
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What will it look like body wise. Are you staying with the Westie/Caterham style?
kind of yeah ;) although im sourcing my body pannels from differnt people ect :P and also doing some mods myself to it but it will resemble the caterham lotus 7 etc :).
hope to get some more aerodynamic features on mine like a rear splitter and front fins to guide the air over the wishbones, these designs have been out a while but i think they look nice and mean >:( :P 8-)
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Sounds great. I lived in Boston for a while, still close enough to scoot down & have a look when she's ready! 8-)
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thank you :) i appreciate peoples intrest :)
haha well.... luckily i dont live in boston thank God!
near grimsby aint you ? yeah certainly when its in a rolling/ driving condition , ill have to give you a blast down the local industrial-state. well luckily i actually live in donington so its a nice quiet village ;)
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I thin a lincs mini meet could be in order ;)
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I thin a lincs mini meet could be in order ;)
edit "think" not "thin"
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I thin a lincs mini meet could be in order ;)
Theres one problem :( i drive a .... well i cant say it but it starts with p and it french :o
but id be up for a pub ! or maybe in a year or two i shall be driving my omega powerd kit car :P
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howdoo all! some big progress lately got most of my brackets done and some other nit bits :)
but I now have an engine!! its a x25xe from a vectra but i got it off ebay with gearbox loom starter motor dual mass flywheel and clutch for 60 pounds!!! whatta bargain!!
anyhoo to the pics!!!
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That was difficult to get in! and even more getting out!
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i have some big development plans for the engine " so he says"
im going to be fully stripping the engine , porting the heads and doing some polyquad experiments to the inlet valves. as said earlier in the post i think i may be going with the megasquirt option :) as all the mods i plan to do , the ecu may not like even it being a maf!
and also that way i can cream even more power from it :P
Michael
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Bet you were super cautious on the brakes driving home! :o
One small mishap and that would have been curtains! :o
GL with your build.
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Good progress, keep us updated with photos :y
Make sure you check the cambelt history ;D
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wouldnt have bothered with the 2.5 tbh. you will spend a lot of money to get the power output up to the same as a standard 3.0/3.2. Imo the 3.2 would be the one to go for - much better exhaust manifolds, programmeable ECU....... ;)
* I may have missed something, as the chassis apparently had a 3.0 in it at the top of the thread, but the last post mentions a 2.5 ? :-/
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wouldnt have bothered with the 2.5 tbh. you will spend a lot of money to get the power output up to the same as a standard 3.0/3.2. Imo the 3.2 would be the one to go for - much better exhaust manifolds, programmeable ECU....... ;)
3.0 would be best choice, 3.2 would cause issues with DBW in kit car? Have to fart around with throttle position sensors and such. Should imagine 3.0 would be easier to setup :-/
Still, 2.5 in something that light won't hang around!
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yeah i did mention i would like a 3.0 but it was a first come basis :) and to be honest it was £60!!! :P cant complain or be fussy.
as for exhausts and ecu , well im making my own headers :) and using megasquirt :)
But yeah i get your drift with the whole easier to get 3 thing.
and it certainly will not hang around ;)
more pics to come soon of my rebuild and porting etc etc :) decided to find someone with a vacuum former and make a perspex front cover ;)
mchael
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Bet you were super cautious on the brakes driving home! :o
One small mishap and that would have been curtains! :o
GL with your build.
Ha yes! very very cautious! especially with my friend in the seat infront :o
And thank you :y
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The alternator will need moving to make way for the steering column!
I used a 45 Amp, Bedford Rascal alternator, positioned top right (looking from the front of the engine). I took the original pulley off and inserted a boss giving a smaller mounting hole to suit the shaft, then the aux belt runs over the top of the water pump and down to the crank.
wrap a piece of string around the belt run and visit Halfrauds for the nearest belt.
Bob's your uncle.
If you need any more clues give me a shout.
Martin
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wouldnt have bothered with the 2.5 tbh. you will spend a lot of money to get the power output up to the same as a standard 3.0/3.2. Imo the 3.2 would be the one to go for - much better exhaust manifolds, programmeable ECU....... ;)
3.0 would be best choice, 3.2 would cause issues with DBW in kit car? Have to fart around with throttle position sensors and such. Should imagine 3.0 would be easier to setup :-/
Still, 2.5 in something that light won't hang around!
My choice would be a 3.2 with its' forged crank. Easy enough to fit a non-DBW throttle body if required.. or individual TBs. Give the heads a good skimming to up the compression ratio and a bit of porting...
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wouldnt have bothered with the 2.5 tbh. you will spend a lot of money to get the power output up to the same as a standard 3.0/3.2. Imo the 3.2 would be the one to go for - much better exhaust manifolds, programmeable ECU....... ;)
3.0 would be best choice, 3.2 would cause issues with DBW in kit car? Have to fart around with throttle position sensors and such. Should imagine 3.0 would be easier to setup :-/
Still, 2.5 in something that light won't hang around!
My choice would be a 3.2 with its' forged crank. Easy enough to fit a non-DBW throttle body if required.. or individual TBs. Give the heads a good skimming to up the compression ratio and a bit of porting...
Thats a good point, didn't think about that :-[
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Can't believe you put a V6 engine on your back seat ;D ;D
I've seen it all now
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some eye cany coming up ! its been a while since ive worked on it unfortunatly but... ive done some work :) and the engine is fully mounted along side with the gearbox and diff and my prop is nearly finished (just need to use the college hydraulic press!) but well youll see :) oh and my rear uprights will be coming soon and my front musroom adapters will be here this week so it will all be on wheels soon! :y :y :y
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as you can see its going to be loooooow!
http://s1134.photobucket.com/albums/m612/michaelprg/
p.s dont worry the wheels aren#t going to be garish pink! ;)
michael
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Coming on nicely. :y
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Ahh, yes.Good to see it's progressing. Ready in time for summer? ;)
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Ahh, yes.Good to see it's progressing. Ready in time for summer? ;)
oh yes :) shall be indeed! (so he says) it will on its wheels next week! then i need some serious pocket money to get me some seats pedal box and brake lines fuel lines etc! shall keep updating :)
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howdy!
been cracking on quite allot lately.
Ill let the pics do the speaking but ive put my running engine in finsihed near all welding on chassis fitted my newly sprayed wheels and new tyres :P toyo proxies t1r's and yoko advan neova's
and fully fitted the steering wheel including my new bearing for it :P
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Not that I know anything about doing this, but how do you make/weld on the fixing points for the engine mounts and get it all lined up/level etc?
Is it a case of sitting the engine in on blocks of wood, packing it out, taking all measurements/levels etc, adjusting then welding in place? or something else?
Thanks
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Ooh, you genius - I've been considering the Haynes Roadster, the V6 seemed like a silly idea though... I take my hat off to you!
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Not that I know anything about doing this, but how do you make/weld on the fixing points for the engine mounts and get it all lined up/level etc?
Is it a case of sitting the engine in on blocks of wood, packing it out, taking all measurements/levels etc, adjusting then welding in place? or something else?
Thanks
yeah pretty much mate, i level'd mine up with the sump off and put wood under it sitting on top of the rails and then went about doing it that way :) pretty trial and error tbh :) but luckily i've had no error so no complaints here :)
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Ooh, you genius - I've been considering the Haynes Roadster, the V6 seemed like a silly idea though... I take my hat off to you!
Haha thank you :) I would certainy reccomend it, and silly idea? certainly not :P ::) its entertainment at the end of the day :P
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Not that I know anything about doing this, but how do you make/weld on the fixing points for the engine mounts and get it all lined up/level etc?
Is it a case of sitting the engine in on blocks of wood, packing it out, taking all measurements/levels etc, adjusting then welding in place? or something else?
Thanks
yeah pretty much mate, i level'd mine up with the sump off and put wood under it sitting on top of the rails and then went about doing it that way :) pretty trial and error tbh :) but luckily i've had no error so no complaints here :)
ok cool thanks, sounds like fun. Is it pretty much the same for a custom prop shaft? Once the engine and box and diff etc are in place?
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Plenty of companies out there who make custom prop shafts (measure, give dimensions, receive shaft .. fnarr) - even if I knew I was decent at welding I'd probably farm that bit out, personally, given where it sits relative to your gonads.. ;D
Nice project though and good progress there. Do I spot Sierra steering column, Wilwood pedal box and some kind of Ford steering knuckle/uprights?
The Neova LTS are a fantastic tyre btw - are you running a mix of the Neova and T1R? That should make it pretty tail happy!
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Plenty of companies out there who make custom prop shafts (measure, give dimensions, receive shaft .. fnarr) - even if I knew I was decent at welding I'd probably farm that bit out, personally, given where it sits relative to your gonads.. ;D
Nice project though and good progress there. Do I spot Sierra steering column, Wilwood pedal box and some kind of Ford steering knuckle/uprights?
The Neova LTS are a fantastic tyre btw - are you running a mix of the Neova and T1R? That should make it pretty tail happy!
column yes and sierra uprights but its an obp pedal box :)
yeah I'm bravely doing that :P ive never experienced the yoko's to be hohnest but ive heard theyre rather good :)
And my prop is one i have made and got a local company to balance for me
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I ran the Neovas on my turbo'd MR2 Roaster for a while - they're easily the best 'road' tyre I've driven on (granted I've not tried R888s or R1Rs).. Enormous grip, progressive at the limit, and despite ending up like this, kept me on the road through a very wet February:
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The Toyos are almost as progressive but have a lot less outright grip (they were my tyre of choice for years on the regular wheels) - I reckon you'll spend a lot of time sideways ;D
Neovas don't last long, mind! I reckoned on about 5-8000 out of a set.
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thats assuring to know :) the thing im looking for is the soft compounds which i belive these have, as my car is only going to weigh 600 with me in it! im gonna need to get the heat in to them :) so my wear rate should be longer than yours (so he says) and ive heard them t1r's are a nice bit of kit .
I'd love a set of r888 but whith the british roads the pick up on them would be nasty! have half of the road stuck to my tyre haha
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A friend of mine runs R888s year round on his turbo'd MR2 .. and I've never been able to keep up with him no matter what I was driving ;D He rates them very highly indeed - though personally I'd probably have stuck with the Neovas as they were just so wonderfully progressive (only I took all the turbo kit & suspension mods off the MR2 so it's now utterly gutless and really doesn't need the grip :'( ;D)
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guten abend!
a few piccies! 3 to be precise :P . ordering my steering rack/clamps and trackrods in a week or 2 :D
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and shall be relocating my alternator next week!
problem im faced with now is to remove the wiring loom for the imobiliser transponder! long tedious process I reckon
what do you all think? :)