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Chat Area => General Discussion Area => Topic started by: Terbs on 26 October 2011, 17:54:23
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Is it not about time that learner drivers ought to be taught to control a vehicle at special centres before being let loose on the road :y
I have just followed one (BSM) through Farnham Common to Farnham Royal. She was all over the road, occasionally crossing the white line, speed was erratic, causing oncoming cars to scrape the kerb to avoid her. >:( When we got to the Green Man pub, she mounted the island in the centre of the road and stopped. I stayed back, I did not have a clue where she was going. After bumping down from the island, she then started to cross the roundabout, causing a car coming from the right to brake. We then proceeded to head towards Farnham Royal, all over the road again, until she arrived at the large roundabout. Nothing coming (luckily) as she never slowed down, but she then tucked in tight to the roundabout and stopped !!!!!!!!!
I assumed she was turning right onto Britwell Estate, so I went to the left of her, as did the fellow behind me, but as he passed he had to veer hard to the left as she set off again and narrowly missed him, heading the same way as us. ;D
She made being drunk, using a mobile etc, look in a different world.
What I don't understand, do these driving school cars not have dual controls ?????
I do not have a thing about learners, we all had to learn, but in today's scenario, I really feel these learners should be able to control a car before being on our roads
Rant over :y
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All learner cars have to have dual controls, what my sons' instructor did with the both of them was, took them to a very quiet housing estate and taught them the ropes there, although they knew how to drive anyway, he has to make sure of that, they both passed first time too, I know him quite well and he does this with all of his pupils.
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Was it a driving school car?
There is nothing to stop you going on on your 17th birthday with one of your parents sitting with you in a non-dual controlled car. That's what I did.. and it nearly ended in tears, as it happens. ::)
IMHO, there should be at least the equivalent of a CBT before you can drive on the road.
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Sounds a good responsible bloke, Del. :y
The road I refer to, as a few on here will know, is quite busy, and Farnham Royal itself is a nighmare to drive through.
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I hope you got the registration and called the local plod ;)
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Yes Kevin...it was a BSM school. What I could not understand was the erratic steering...I could not see the instructor doing any correcting. >:(
Are dual controls all three pedals or just brake and clutch, assuming it was manual geared.
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Mind you, I know a driving instructor. I met up with him to offload an item into his car boot a while back. He had finished for the day and removed his roof sign from the car, placed it behind the car ready to go into the boot after said item.
I walked off and, as he went to reverse out of his parking space I heard a "craaack!". :-X
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With both young Mr Vamps and Master Vamps I taught them the basics first before going to a driving school to learn, both learned clutch control and the basics on quiet off road places, Master Vamps learned to do a hill start, turning left at a T junction with a bus behind him, it worked.... :y
I tend to agree with the thinking of learners doing the basics off main roads first, I learned on an Industrial Estate on Sundays, in the days when no one worked on a Sunday when I was about 11 years, and did the same with my little brother, we could all drive before we were 17 and all passed first time, as did Young Mr Vamps and Master Vamps... :y :y
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..... I learned on an Industrial Estate on Sundays, ........... when I was about 11 years, .......
Aye up! Walk on Hercules ......... ::) ::) ::) ::)
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On this note, has anyone seen the bad driving school programme on tv - can't remember what it's called or what channel, der!) It's where you see their bad driving, then a driving instructor tries to 'retrain' them in 2 hours!
Have you seen the state of their driving? They just want a bloody good punch right in the mouth, a slap, a flipping good shake, and to be shown some pictures of mangled up people squashed between even more mangled up cars. I cannot believe the attitude of these ignorant retards. These sort of people kill the likes of you and me and get a pathetic sentence if at all, and put up our insurance premiums.
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..... I learned on an Industrial Estate on Sundays, ........... when I was about 11 years, .......
Aye up! Walk on Hercules ......... ::) ::) ::) ::)
Tis true, I first drove a car aged 6, well I steered it sat on my Dads lap, I had my first car at 13 and drove it on a farmers field, Ford 100e, and first took a car up the road and back again at 15, a Fiat 600. Learned in a Ford Corsair with column change, and often used to 'start' the family car and warm it up before going out, things were very different then.... :D :D :-X
Miss Vamps is wanting a go, but with an auto tis more of a risk me thinks, even on a farm,...... :-\ :-\ :-\
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I should also add that I was doing 'Auto Tests' competitively at 15 years old, and doing well, as a member of HMS Ganges Motor Club.. :y :y
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...... as a member of HMS Ganges Motor Club.. :y :y
Stand by your beds .................. ;) ;) :y :y :y
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..... I learned on an Industrial Estate on Sundays, ........... when I was about 11 years, .......
Aye up! Walk on Hercules ......... ::) ::) ::) ::)
Tis true, I first drove a car aged 6, well I steered it sat on my Dads lap, I had my first car at 13 and drove it on a farmers field, Ford 100e, and first took a car up the road and back again at 15, a Fiat 600. Learned in a Ford Corsair with column change, and often used to 'start' the family car and warm it up before going out, things were very different then.... :D :D :-X
Miss Vamps is wanting a go, but with an auto tis more of a risk me thinks, even on a farm,...... :-\ :-\ :-\
Our two used to 'drive' the car when we went to various caravan sites when they were quite small. They steered, I did the go & stop pedals :y :y They loved it.
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..... I learned on an Industrial Estate on Sundays, ........... when I was about 11 years, .......
Aye up! Walk on Hercules ......... ::) ::) ::) ::)
Tis true, I first drove a car aged 6, well I steered it sat on my Dads lap, I had my first car at 13 and drove it on a farmers field, Ford 100e, and first took a car up the road and back again at 15, a Fiat 600. Learned in a Ford Corsair with column change, and often used to 'start' the family car and warm it up before going out, things were very different then.... :D :D :-X
Miss Vamps is wanting a go, but with an auto tis more of a risk me thinks, even on a farm,...... :-\ :-\ :-\
Our two used to 'drive' the car when we went to various caravan sites when they were quite small. They steered, I did the go & stop pedals :y :y They loved it.
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that just sounds like a dodgy instructor. i went with BSM and they were brilliant. dont remember seeing anything wrong with a BSM learner roundhere :y
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I'm not all that old and I learnt clutch control in a very similar way to you two - shuffling my granddads car up & down the driveway at ~12, without him in it usually (although he was the first time, IIRC, and he was an ex instructor - the car still had dual controls). I wonder how many of todays kids would be tempted to take it for a joyride...
A friend of mine is a (independent) driving instructor - he doesn't have a very high opinion of a lot of instructors and the "instruct to pass the test" approach rather than "teach to be safe on the roads" ... which explains the standards of driving displayed on the roads, I suppose!
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Our local BSM has an office in town with a car simulator. You have to show that you can master the basics in that before you go out in a car. Seems like a good plan to me, shame about the other shocking instructors that are about. :o
My first taste of driving was age 18 in my Dad's cav, seriously stressful! Proper lessons were then done in quiet lanes before being let loose in traffic.
I've been known to get out and rant at instructors who allow their pupils to drive dangerously, there's just no need for it. Granted we were all learners once but there's no excuse for being put into dangerous situations before you're ready. >:(
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I'm not all that old and I learnt clutch control in a very similar way to you two - shuffling my granddads car up & down the driveway at ~12, without him in it usually (although he was the first time, IIRC, and he was an ex instructor - the car still had dual controls). I wonder how many of todays kids would be tempted to take it for a joyride...
A friend of mine is a (independent) driving instructor - he doesn't have a very high opinion of a lot of instructors and the "instruct to pass the test" approach rather than "teach to be safe on the roads" ... which explains the standards of driving displayed on the roads, I suppose!
My Dad always said that I wouldn't learn to drive properly until I'd passed my test, reckon he had a point to be honest.
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Our local BSM has an office in town with a car simulator. You have to show that you can master the basics in that before you go out in a car. Seems like a good plan to me, shame about the other shocking instructors that are about. :o
My first taste of driving was age 18 in my Dad's cav, seriously stressful! Proper lessons were then done in quiet lanes before being let loose in traffic.
I've been known to get out and rant at instructors who allow their pupils to drive dangerously, there's just no need for it. Granted we were all learners once but there's no excuse for being put into dangerous situations before you're ready. >:(
Obviously, the BSM office here do not have that. >:( To take a learner driver who obviously was not in control of the car and was a danger to all, into Farnham Royal, a dual carriage road, with right turn only lanes, left turn only lanes, umpteen turnings and traffic lights, was totally foolhardy. >:(
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In my learner days I was forced to lkearn to control the car before they let me take charge on the open road!
That to me is common sense but in todays money hungry world they take them out as soon as they book the course and cause headaches for everyone else. Worst of all is that they seem to choose the rush hours to do it!!!!!!!!!!! >:(
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..... Worst of all is that they seem to choose the rush hours to do it!!!!!!!!!!! >:(
There always seems to be a nervous learner doing a 3 point turn or some other slow speed manoeuvre just outside the gates at work just as there's a shift change resulting in dozens of cars waiting. Obviously doesn't do much for the nerves of the learner when everyone is waiting for him/her. I can see the appeal of the roads around work - usually quiet - but you'd think the instructor would use a bit of common sense with his timing.
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..... Worst of all is that they seem to choose the rush hours to do it!!!!!!!!!!! >:(
There always seems to be a nervous learner doing a 3 point turn or some other slow speed manoeuvre just outside the gates at work just as there's a shift change resulting in dozens of cars waiting. Obviously doesn't do much for the nerves of the learner when everyone is waiting for him/her. I can see the appeal of the roads around work - usually quiet - but you'd think the instructor would use a bit of common sense with his timing.
They don't teach that at instructor training school! >:(
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..... Worst of all is that they seem to choose the rush hours to do it!!!!!!!!!!! >:(
There always seems to be a nervous learner doing a 3 point turn or some other slow speed manoeuvre just outside the gates at work just as there's a shift change resulting in dozens of cars waiting. Obviously doesn't do much for the nerves of the learner when everyone is waiting for him/her. I can see the appeal of the roads around work - usually quiet - but you'd think the instructor would use a bit of common sense with his timing.
They don't teach that at instructor training school! >:(
Obviously ;D ;D