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Chat Area => General Car Chat => Topic started by: TheDaddy on 29 October 2011, 22:34:47
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So.......the recovery of the Black Beatie continues.
I have been monitoring the engine running temp as at times she has run slightly hotter than normal and on a occasion I found that the fans did not come on until the gauge was on 100.
Plan for this was to change the low level fan switch to see if this sorted this slight concern.
BUT
Last weekend on return from Cardiff she started to stall with no throttle.
Very distintive - you could tell whilst changing gear that the engine was dying down.
So it was not a problem with the engine trying to tick over as it was already died.
This was constant from when the problem started.
Pulled over and thought about life for a while. Restarted and the problem had gone.
Up the M4 I went. :o
About 20 miles from home the problem started again. As soon as I throttled off, the engine would die.
Limped home. :'(
Problem was intermittent over the next couple of days.
Paper clip test displayed a code 19......so TheBoy kindly sold me his spare crank sensor and replaced.
Error code cleared and she drove lovely on Wednesday. :)
So based on the above I was pleased to get back from Cardiff and thought all was sorted.
Thursday and on the way back from work the problem occurred again.
Exactley the same problem, though node code errors displayed with the paper clip test.
Since Thursday the problem has not re-occurred, but I only do a few miles a day.
I obviously have a problem that I need to resolve as I dont have confidence in the car running and driving around Milton Keynes roundabouts with the engine dying with no throttle is very difficult.
Looking for some ispiration with this one......Coil pack maybe?
Hopefully you will be able to direct me on this.
Many thanks all.
Masters :y
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Idle control valve ? :-\
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The memory plays tricks but I recall a prob with indicated tempt and actual real tempt back before I had the luxury of a T2.
Changed the inlet tempt sensor and that made a difference, back in the day, but not sure
How that relates tI current probs. sorry.
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Idle control valve ? :-\
Yep - was thinking about that, but was not sure because of the way the engine would totally die with no throttle. To keep it running I would have to rev it up over 3000 revs.....
So was not sure if the ICV could produce this type of issue....and intermittently.
Will plan to give it a clean anyway. :y
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When I had a problem with mine (several years ago) I seem to remember it did just that.Engine runs fine until its supposed to idle - then it cant.Ten minute job to take it off and clean it (carb cleaner or probably any other solvent - petrol ?) then a few drops of oil to lube it and put it back. :y
If that doesnt work, valve could be faulty.Not sure how to test it but Im sure someone will. ;)
After that - more involved stuff I would imagine. :-\
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Given it cuts on closed throttle, clean icv.
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get the MAF data read as well :y
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ICV cleaned, so will see how it goes.
Had theboys tech 2 on it today. All seemed well.
MAF Data good.
Only time will tell. :-\
Have a trip to Stoke on Saturday, so that will give it a good run.
Will see how it goes. :y
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ICV cleaned, so will see how it goes.
Had theboys tech 2 on it today. All seemed well.
MAF Data good.
Only time will tell. :-\
Have a trip to Stoke on Saturday, so that will give it a good run.
Will see how it goes. :y
Ime, icv cleaning "can" take several attempts... With light oil. :)
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Try to start the engine right when it has stalled, if it wouldn't, I would suspect the tempsensor for the ECU. Mine was like that before it died on me totally, and then it came up with faultcode 15.
If you couldn't find the fault, try to change the tempsensor, not expensive att all, but worth a try :y
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just coz no one's mentioned it..... have you done wiring position mod for crank sensor???
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just coz no one's mentioned it..... have you done wiring position mod for crank sensor???
He replaced it on advice from TB so I would assume so ;)
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If its stalling with no throttle input then that points towards an idle air issue.
I assume when its not stalling that the idle is even?
Given the fact that its a digital type fault (either there or not!) then it points to a valve of some sort and I can think of two that might do this and they are:
1) Idle control valve
2) EGR valve
So I would be cleaning them both well and potentialy blocking the EGR off (if its not already done)
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If I remember correctly the EGR has been moved to below the battery, can't remember however if the plenum has been renewed with a 2.6/3.2 one or just blocked up...
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Try to start the engine right when it has stalled, if it wouldn't, I would suspect the tempsensor for the ECU. Mine was like that before it died on me totally, and then it came up with faultcode 15.
If you couldn't find the fault, try to change the tempsensor, not expensive att all, but worth a try :y
CTS is fine on this. Well, the engine ECU sensor one is ::)
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just coz no one's mentioned it..... have you done wiring position mod for crank sensor???
Yes.
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If its stalling with no throttle input then that points towards an idle air issue.
I assume when its not stalling that the idle is even?
Given the fact that its a digital type fault (either there or not!) then it points to a valve of some sort and I can think of two that might do this and they are:
1) Idle control valve
2) EGR valve
So I would be cleaning them both well and potentialy blocking the EGR off (if its not already done)
TheDaddy has now cleaned and lightly oiled ICV.
No EGR on it (repositioned purely to keep ECU happy, manifold blocked off (and SAI removed), can't remember how plenum blocked)
TheDaddy described to me that it cuts out on overrun at high revs, even when changing gear, and letting clutch out again seems to 'bump start' it. My initial reaction was crank sensor, based on symptom, and confirmed with a code 19 when checked. However, even with new crank sensor, it has reoccured. Hopefully the ICV cleaning has resolved, but its intermittent.
I have not experienced this fault whilst driving his car myself, so may be something lost in translation...
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I hate to say but could be another duff crank sensor? had a duff vaux one last year ?
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I hate to say but could be another duff crank sensor? had a duff vaux one last year ?
No further duff crank sensor signals stored. So I doubt it.
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Cutting out on gearchange could still be idle valve, the throttle valve slamming shut would soon starve the engine of air (the idle valve should open very fast as the throttle closes)
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Learning a lot as I go along here.
Thanks to TheBoy for explaining the issue and what we have covered so far.
I think from all of the above - I need to give the car a week and see if the problem does re-occur since cleaning the ICV. I will keep running tests for any new codes.
Have a long trip this weekend, so hopefully a good opportunity to test and see how it goes.
Will report back on this.
Many thanks
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If its stalling with no throttle input then that points towards an idle air issue.
I assume when its not stalling that the idle is even?
Given the fact that its a digital type fault (either there or not!) then it points to a valve of some sort and I can think of two that might do this and they are:
1) Idle control valve
2) EGR valve
So I would be cleaning them both well and potentialy blocking the EGR off (if its not already done)
TheDaddy has now cleaned and lightly oiled ICV.
No EGR on it (repositioned purely to keep ECU happy, manifold blocked off (and SAI removed), can't remember how plenum blocked)
TheDaddy described to me that it cuts out on overrun at high revs, even when changing gear, and letting clutch out again seems to 'bump start' it. My initial reaction was crank sensor, based on symptom, and confirmed with a code 19 when checked. However, even with new crank sensor, it has reoccured. Hopefully the ICV cleaning has resolved, but its intermittent.
I have not experienced this fault whilst driving his car myself, so may be something lost in translation...
Classic icv IMO.
... Although crank sensor hasn't been a waist of money The Daddy.
The Daddy and The Boy...? ...no I don't want to know. ;D
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And the Black Beastie has had another update by the force of the Darth Loo-knee. :y
Nipped upto to Stoke and Daz kindly accomadated me.
Planned to swap out the radiator + Power Steering Pump and doors from his spare MV6,
but mid point I decided to take the front wings and bonnet + headlights as mine were shot.
Time was are enemy on the day - but Daz used the force and we got the job done.
:)
(http://mastrangelo.me.uk/gallery/cars/the-black-beatie-mv6/tlc/tlc.jpg.php)
Steering now is pot on. Previously like driving a cart on low revs turning.
Hoping the replaced radiator sorts out the running temp issues I had.
On run up - normal running at around 76 and fans came on at around 97.5.
On the run home she sat at 76 all the way.
Heated up sligthly coming into town but fans cut in to cool down.
So seemingly doing as expected and so will monitor.
No further stalls since cleaning out the ICV - Have a spare kindly lent if problem repeats to test.
Car looks great with the new doors. Think I prefer the MV6 door cards instead of the elite,
but have both now so will see how I feel and can swap if I want.
Will need to swap over the passenger mirror as the motors are gone on the new door.
Also bonnet fits better than the orignal.
Many thanks to Daz for supporting me with this car. Grand job as always and considering the time we had - worked hard to get the jobs done.
I think I'm getting there. :D
Still a few jobs to do but hopefully nearly there.
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Fantastic stuff :y
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Yes, it's encouraging news. 8) :y - Well done Daz. :y
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Good news TD. Although I thought you might take the whole car? ;D
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And the Black Beastie has had another update by the force of the Darth Loo-knee. :y
Nipped upto to Stoke and Daz kindly accomadated me.
Planned to swap out the radiator + Power Steering Pump and doors from his spare MV6,
but mid point I decided to take the front wings and bonnet + headlights as mine were shot.
Time was are enemy on the day - but Daz used the force and we got the job done.
:)
(http://mastrangelo.me.uk/gallery/cars/the-black-beatie-mv6/tlc/tlc.jpg.php)
Steering now is pot on. Previously like driving a cart on low revs turning.
Hoping the replaced radiator sorts out the running temp issues I had.
On run up - normal running at around 76 and fans came on at around 97.5.
On the run home she sat at 76 all the way.
Heated up sligthly coming into town but fans cut in to cool down.
So seemingly doing as expected and so will monitor.
No further stalls since cleaning out the ICV - Have a spare kindly lent if problem repeats to test.
Car looks great with the new doors. Think I prefer the MV6 door cards instead of the elite,
but have both now so will see how I feel and can swap if I want.
Will need to swap over the passenger mirror as the motors are gone on the new door.
Also bonnet fits better than the orignal.
Many thanks to Daz for supporting me with this car. Grand job as always and considering the time we had - worked hard to get the jobs done.
I think I'm getting there. :D
Still a few jobs to do but hopefully nearly there.
I that a type error ::)
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Good news TD. Although I thought you might take the whole car? ;D
That was discussed - would of asked Daz to sort his and I would of had that - it "was" a spankin car, but have spent the money on my engine, so will stick with the Black Beastie to the end.
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good to hear your getting it all sorted at last. :y
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Hoping the replaced radiator sorts out the running temp issues I had.
On run up - normal running at around 76 and fans came on at around 97.5.
On the run home she sat at 76 all the way.
Heated up sligthly coming into town but fans cut in to cool down.
So seemingly doing as expected and so will monitor.
I that a type error ::)
Monkey fingers - :-\
76 = 96
So it was around 2.30pm and the Black beastie was in the following state with only about 2 hours of light left !
:o
(http://mastrangelo.me.uk/gallery/albums/cars/the-black-beatie-mv6/tlc/tlc1.jpg)
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Having now seen this in the flesh today - to reset the airbag light ::) - I have to say it is a tidy looking prefacelift :y
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Having now seen this in the flesh today - to reset the airbag light ::) - I have to say it is a tidy looking prefacelift :y
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
There was just no doors on when I wanted to start it ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Work faster The Daddy ;D ;D :P
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Having now seen this in the flesh today - to reset the airbag light ::) - I have to say it is a tidy looking prefacelift :y
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
There was just no doors on when I wanted to start it ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Work faster The Daddy ;D ;D :P
A sort of 'Yabba Dabba Doo' experience?
;D
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Having now seen this in the flesh today - to reset the airbag light ::) - I have to say it is a tidy looking prefacelift :y
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
There was just no doors on when I wanted to start it ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Work faster The Daddy ;D ;D :P
A sort of 'Yabba Dabba Doo' experience?
;D
Well "The Daddy" talks funny (Everyone does actually if you aren't from Massive), almost like Michael Caine, so thought he was getting a little into his character when he said "Were we supposed to leave the bladdy doors off?" ;D
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"The Daddy" talks funny (Everyone does actually if you aren't from Massive)
Heaven forbid anyone saying that The Massive talk funny, as I know The Massive all talk proper, like that bird from Buckingham Palace, with the silly hat.
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LOL - ;D
Like it. :y
Well all has been going well.
Running temp has been tip top - I mainly do little trips around MK - sits approx 95...runs upto about 97 at times in traffic, then the fans cut in and the temp drops down again.
So currently all seemingly well on the temp side of things.
Have had no problems with the stalling with no throttle since - but started again yesterday.
Stalled once - so decided to put the spare ICV that Daz had lent me to see if this helped.
Lazy me just swapped it over without cleaning - :o
Today whilst popping around she started to stall again when un throttled.
Very difficult to keep running - during the time the problem was happening, very un-smooth. :'(
So have now cleaned out the ICV from Daz and will see how it goes.
Also cleaned out my original.
Between the two of these - if the problem remains - then may need to start looking at other possible causes, but hoping it is just sticky ICV's.
Enjoying the refreshed Black Beatie ::)
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Have you shoved a paperclip in it again, just to check for anything stored?
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Will do tomorrow :y
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well, since cleaning out the ICV again, all has been ok over the last week. No stalling and looking good with a polish.
Really pleased. Temp has been tip top as well.
Yesterday one of the kiddies opened the rear door and somehow the rubber trim caught at the front on the drivers door and has bent back. Now can't open the door without it catching and bending further. Really fed up about that. :'(
So need to take it off and get a new one. Will post to see if anyone has one.
Just wanted a few weeks of happy motoring-
Will get there hopefully.
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So - its been a few weeks - but have not had any further problems from the black beastie.
Since the last clean of the ICV - no stalling.
Temp all ok and running all ok.
Have removed the damaged door trim (that was fun....not :'() and cleaned up ready for the new one I have.
Just need to try and align the front door before fitting the trim - the gap between the front and back doors is certainly smaller towards the bottom of the door. Can adjust on the latch though this forcing the door down, but am going to looking at easing the hing over slightly when I have time.
Apart from that, enjoying driving on the slippery roads with these budget tyres. Thought they were poor on dry roads, but on frosty roads....no chance. May have to look for another Goodyear as I have one in the garage and could do with another to put on the back.
Hope all have a happy Xmas and merry new year.
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I am really pleased "The Daddy" that your Beastieis at long last getting there.
On a positive note you now know exactly what has being done too the car, which is a he tick in my opinion.
Daz :-*
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And Merry Christmas to you, TheDaddy :y
//TheBoy wonders if he should post the photo of TheDaddy's leaving do, where he is cuddlying me and someone called Chins...
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The Daddy and The Boy cuddling... Nice. :-\
Sounds like TB has moved on. :y
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Is this THE 'Beastie'...... ??? ???
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The Daddy and The Boy cuddling... Nice. :-\
Sounds like TB has moved on. :y
I doubt we're that lucky ::) :-X
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Is this THE 'Beastie'...... ??? ???
Aye