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Chat Area => General Car Chat => Topic started by: Webby the Bear on 29 November 2011, 21:50:10
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Hi All, Bear hopes you're well.
I posted recently about my interest in doing a mechanics course. Well, after much difficulty in finding a suitable one for a novice I've got it!
See below for the course specification...... (you'll note the College in the link is Buxton. However, I'll actually be doing the exact same at Tresham in Kettering; it's just because the Tresham site doesn't show the spec for some reason :-\)
http://www.buxtoncollege.ac.uk/abc-level-1-in-vehicle-maintenance-and-repair-light-vehicle
Anyway, the whole point of this is twofold: 1.) I've always been interested in cars and mechanics but never had a guiding hand (until I joined this site) and 2.) For far too long I've been at a crossroads in my current job where if I settle for this forever and don't do something interesting I'm going to regret it and ultimately end up in a mental facility.
So... now I've found the course (which starts May next year I'm told) what am I to do in preperation in the mean time? Well, I've been trawling the Maintenance Guides here and although a lot of it is beyond me due to obvious lack of knowledge and experience I feel I'm getting a better basic (very basic in fact) understanding. I've also been looking at videos on the net of certain procedures.
I figure if I can get to the point where I can do some of my own servicing then that will give me a good springboard. This brings me on to my maintenance question. I've understood most of it but for the life of me I can't find an image of the underside of an Omega where the oil drainage and oil filter is located. If I've missed it from the guide then I'm very sorry but has anyone got a pic or link?
Anyway, that's it for now. I will update in the future time............ and God help Daz when I go to him Thursday; I have over a thousand Q's ;D ;D ;D
Cheers.
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..... but for the life of me I can't find an image of the underside of an Omega where the oil drainage and oil filter is located. ....
Oil filter is, surprising, not at the bottom of the engine, it's towards the top on the passenger side.
Oil drain is right at the very bottom of the engine, Torx drive & the plug is about the size of a 10p piece. :y
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..... but for the life of me I can't find an image of the underside of an Omega where the oil drainage and oil filter is located. ....
Oil filter is, surprising, not at the bottom of the engine, it's towards the top on the passenger side.
Oil drain is right at the very bottom of the engine, Torx drive & the plug is about the size of a 10p piece. :y
Thanks Andy. Is it a simple job to do as per the videos on Youtube? E.g. Warm engine, open drain, screw back up and fill with new oil?
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ill get some pics up.replace washer with new on drain plug could be brass or rubber
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..... but for the life of me I can't find an image of the underside of an Omega where the oil drainage and oil filter is located. ....
Oil filter is, surprising, not at the bottom of the engine, it's towards the top on the passenger side.
Oil drain is right at the very bottom of the engine, Torx drive & the plug is about the size of a 10p piece. :y
Thanks Andy. Is it a simple job to do as per the videos on Youtube? E.g. Warm engine, open drain, screw back up and fill with new oil?
Yes, exactly as you describe. Dead simple. :y The sump plug uses an O ring behind the head, you'll need a new one if th eold one is goosed, but you'll generally find the old seal will be OK. :y
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ill get some pics up.replace washer with new on drain plug could be brass or rubber
Facelifts have rubber ones, just nipped up as well to 12Nm
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Well done Bear, I'll look forward to reading of your progress - good luck with the course. 8) :y
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..... but for the life of me I can't find an image of the underside of an Omega where the oil drainage and oil filter is located. ....
Oil filter is, surprising, not at the bottom of the engine, it's towards the top on the passenger side.
Oil drain is right at the very bottom of the engine, Torx drive & the plug is about the size of a 10p piece. :y
Thanks Andy. Is it a simple job to do as per the videos on Youtube? E.g. Warm engine, open drain, screw back up and fill with new oil?
Yes, exactly as you describe. Dead simple. :y The sump plug uses an O ring behind the head, you'll need a new one if th eold one is goosed, but you'll generally find the old seal will be OK. :y
Thats minifacelift onwards. Pre minifacelift use the older copper washer, which should be renewed (or annealed etc).
The rubber seals do benefit being replaced every few changes, seeing as the are about 20p, and a sump full of oil if it leaks is about £12 ;)
1999 onwards use paper element filters, which if haven't been done recently, will be a barsteward.
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Webby the Bear - I am down the A43 from Northampton, if you want someone to guide you through the first time you do it...
...but I won't do it for you, you will have to do it under guidance ;)
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Thanks all for your posts guys :y
This is going to sound stupid but I'll ask it anyway ::) In the video for the oil change the car is on a special ramp so the camera and narrator can of course get right under the car and show you what's going on.
As I don't have that luxury how am I to get under the car to do it?
Also, Tunnie you mention screwing drainage cap to 12nm. Is there a ''multi-purpose'' hand wrench I can purchase with different torque settings? Or do I have to purchase a drill with various screw bits? Just thinking I'm going to need basic tools at some point :y
Thanks again everyone :)
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Torque Wrench:
http://www.halfords.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/product_storeId_10001_catalogId_10151_productId_178843_langId_-1_categoryId_165469 (http://www.halfords.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/product_storeId_10001_catalogId_10151_productId_178843_langId_-1_categoryId_165469)
Its considerably cheaper on trade, more like £40. I have a trade card here, your welcome to use it, but you'd be better off paying cash as they might check name on trade card against who is paying.
You will need axle stands to support the car while under it, never go underneath a car which is supported solely by a jack.
http://www.halfords.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/product_storeId_10001_catalogId_10151_productId_216002_langId_-1_categoryId_255207 (http://www.halfords.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/product_storeId_10001_catalogId_10151_productId_216002_langId_-1_categoryId_255207)
Done little search, nice little kit here which includes jack + stands. Not the best, but its good enough to get you started.
http://www.halfords.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/product_storeId_10001_catalogId_10151_productId_817643_langId_-1_categoryId_255207 (http://www.halfords.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/product_storeId_10001_catalogId_10151_productId_817643_langId_-1_categoryId_255207)
You also really want to buy this when its on offer:
http://www.halfords.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/product_storeId_10001_catalogId_10151_productId_173083_langId_-1_categoryId_255215 (http://www.halfords.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/product_storeId_10001_catalogId_10151_productId_173083_langId_-1_categoryId_255215)
Its similar to normal trade price, bar a few adaptors i has nearly everything you need to strip a V6 down, I have this set. Started like you, did not have a feking clue how to change oil...
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Webby the Bear - I am down the A43 from Northampton, if you want someone to guide you through the first time you do it...
...but I won't do it for you, you will have to do it under guidance ;)
;D Thanks for the offer mate ;)
I am actually booked in with Daz for a (car!) service tomorrow so I'm hoping to get a bit of practical knowledge then. But I'm darn sure I'll need some guidance in the future if that's ok?
:y :y :y :y
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Also want one of these, makes it much easier to empty old oil into a suitable 20L drum:
http://www.machinemart.co.uk/shop/product/details/14-litre-oil-drain-pan?da=1&TC=SRC-oil%20pan (http://www.machinemart.co.uk/shop/product/details/14-litre-oil-drain-pan?da=1&TC=SRC-oil%20pan)
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Torque Wrench:
http://www.halfords.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/product_storeId_10001_catalogId_10151_productId_178843_langId_-1_categoryId_165469 (http://www.halfords.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/product_storeId_10001_catalogId_10151_productId_178843_langId_-1_categoryId_165469)
Its considerably cheaper on trade, more like £40. I have a trade card here, your welcome to use it, but you'd be better off paying cash as they might check name on trade card against who is paying.
You will need axle stands to support the car while under it, never go underneath a car which is supported solely by a jack.
http://www.halfords.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/product_storeId_10001_catalogId_10151_productId_216002_langId_-1_categoryId_255207 (http://www.halfords.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/product_storeId_10001_catalogId_10151_productId_216002_langId_-1_categoryId_255207)
Done little search, nice little kit here which includes jack + stands. Not the best, but its good enough to get you started.
http://www.halfords.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/product_storeId_10001_catalogId_10151_productId_817643_langId_-1_categoryId_255207 (http://www.halfords.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/product_storeId_10001_catalogId_10151_productId_817643_langId_-1_categoryId_255207)
You also really want to buy this when its on offer:
http://www.halfords.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/product_storeId_10001_catalogId_10151_productId_173083_langId_-1_categoryId_255215 (http://www.halfords.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/product_storeId_10001_catalogId_10151_productId_173083_langId_-1_categoryId_255215)
Its similar to normal trade price, bar a few adaptors i has nearly everything you need to strip a V6 down, I have this set. Started like you, did not have a feking clue how to change oil...
mate, thats really bloody helpful. thanks very much!!!!
with the stands, is it simply a case of jacking it up one side and applying stand....then same other side? i know it says ''axel'' stands but is this where they're positioned when in place? sorry if tht sounds stupid :-[
That boxed tool kit looks pretty handy. I envisaged initial expenditure to be in to the millions :'( but if i can get started for a few hundred it will be well worth it. I mean obviously at first on the course everything is supplied but of course I'm going to want to do stuff at home! :y :y :y
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Webby the Bear - I am down the A43 from Northampton, if you want someone to guide you through the first time you do it...
...but I won't do it for you, you will have to do it under guidance ;)
;D Thanks for the offer mate ;)
I am actually booked in with Daz for a (car!) service tomorrow so I'm hoping to get a bit of practical knowledge then. But I'm darn sure I'll need some guidance in the future if that's ok?
:y :y :y :y
I am gonna sog some Tangled Foot in me tonight then to get me ready for tomorrow ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Torque Wrench:
http://www.halfords.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/product_storeId_10001_catalogId_10151_productId_178843_langId_-1_categoryId_165469 (http://www.halfords.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/product_storeId_10001_catalogId_10151_productId_178843_langId_-1_categoryId_165469)
Its considerably cheaper on trade, more like £40. I have a trade card here, your welcome to use it, but you'd be better off paying cash as they might check name on trade card against who is paying.
You will need axle stands to support the car while under it, never go underneath a car which is supported solely by a jack.
http://www.halfords.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/product_storeId_10001_catalogId_10151_productId_216002_langId_-1_categoryId_255207 (http://www.halfords.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/product_storeId_10001_catalogId_10151_productId_216002_langId_-1_categoryId_255207)
Done little search, nice little kit here which includes jack + stands. Not the best, but its good enough to get you started.
http://www.halfords.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/product_storeId_10001_catalogId_10151_productId_817643_langId_-1_categoryId_255207 (http://www.halfords.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/product_storeId_10001_catalogId_10151_productId_817643_langId_-1_categoryId_255207)
You also really want to buy this when its on offer:
http://www.halfords.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/product_storeId_10001_catalogId_10151_productId_173083_langId_-1_categoryId_255215 (http://www.halfords.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/product_storeId_10001_catalogId_10151_productId_173083_langId_-1_categoryId_255215)
Its similar to normal trade price, bar a few adaptors i has nearly everything you need to strip a V6 down, I have this set. Started like you, did not have a feking clue how to change oil...
mate, thats really bloody helpful. thanks very much!!!!
with the stands, is it simply a case of jacking it up one side and applying stand....then same other side? i know it says ''axel'' stands but is this where they're positioned when in place? sorry if tht sounds stupid :-[
That boxed tool kit looks pretty handy. I envisaged initial expenditure to be in to the millions :'( but if i can get started for a few hundred it will be well worth it. I mean obviously at first on the course everything is supplied but of course I'm going to want to do stuff at home! :y :y :y
For the front, position them as this:
(http://images.omegaowners.com/images/guides/4pot_oil_change/DSC05679.JPG)
(http://images.omegaowners.com/images/guides/4pot_oil_change/DSC05681.JPG)
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Picture shows my 2.2, you may not need to bit of wood. Thats cause it was on TB's drive which is has a driveway like toffee, axel stands just sink in!
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Webby the Bear - I am down the A43 from Northampton, if you want someone to guide you through the first time you do it...
...but I won't do it for you, you will have to do it under guidance ;)
;D Thanks for the offer mate ;)
I am actually booked in with Daz for a (car!) service tomorrow so I'm hoping to get a bit of practical knowledge then. But I'm darn sure I'll need some guidance in the future if that's ok?
:y :y :y :y
I am gonna sog some Tangled Foot in me tonight then to get me ready for tomorrow ;D ;D ;D ;D
ooooh you love me really broseph and his technicolour brocoat ;D
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Picture shows my 2.2, you may not need to bit of wood. Thats cause it was on TB's drive which is has a driveway like toffee, axel stands just sink in!
:o
is that specifically where you have to get the jack in or can you plant it anywhere just to lift the car to get the stand in. i'm just asking cos i've never even done that before lol :-[
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Picture shows my 2.2, you may not need to bit of wood. Thats cause it was on TB's drive which is has a driveway like toffee, axel stands just sink in!
:o
is that specifically where you have to get the jack in or can you plant it anywhere just to lift the car to get the stand in. i'm just asking cos i've never even done that before lol :-[
No probs.
No, it has to be at that chassis point shown. Jack in futher along and you will put a nice dent in the floor. Could even go through the floor.
Jack (depending on its size) has to go in or on the beam shown, car weighs 2ton ;) :y
When lowering the car with jack onto stand, its worth making sure its even on the stands and all 3 (or 4) legs on the stand are on the ground and one has not lifted up.
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ps, finally found the link for the oil change...
i knew i'd missed it ::)
http://www.omegaowners.com/forum/index.php?topic=90534.0
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Picture shows my 2.2, you may not need to bit of wood. Thats cause it was on TB's drive which is has a driveway like toffee, axel stands just sink in!
:o
is that specifically where you have to get the jack in or can you plant it anywhere just to lift the car to get the stand in. i'm just asking cos i've never even done that before lol :-[
No probs.
No, it has to be at that chassis point shown. Jack in futher along and you will put a nice dent in the floor. Could even go through the floor.
Jack (depending on its size) has to go in or on the beam shown, car weighs 2ton ;) :y
When lowering the car with jack onto stand, its worth making sure its even on the stands and all 3 (or 4) legs on the stand are on the ground and one has not lifted up.
lol thats what i was thinking! thats kind of why i'm resisting the urge to get stuck in straight away on my own cos knowing me i'll misread/misinterprit something and 'dangle berries' my car ::)
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ps, finally found the link for the oil change...
i knew i'd missed it ::)
http://www.omegaowners.com/forum/index.php?topic=90534.0
Yours won't have filter shown, yours has a paper filter in a metal canister, looks quite different.
Personally I would not have used a block of wood like that, not sure why they could not jack straight onto the chassis
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ps, finally found the link for the oil change...
i knew i'd missed it ::)
http://www.omegaowners.com/forum/index.php?topic=90534.0
Yours won't have filter shown, yours has a paper filter in a metal canister, looks quite different. Personally I would not have used a block of wood like that, not sure why they could not jack straight onto the chassis
yeah i think i saw it on the vids on y/tube. it's kind of like a can with concertina'd paper inside? (or at least thats what it looks like)
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Yup, bit more of a pain to remove. Can never get more than 2 clicks on the wrench!
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Yup, bit more of a pain to remove. Can never get more than 2 clicks on the wrench!
yeah it didn't look too easy. is it the filter thats positioned passenger side up top in the engine bay?
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Yes its in the same place, right next to the crank sensor. The lid will come off (assuming its not bee done up too tight) inside is a paper filter, which clips into the lid itself.
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Best bet is to pay attention to what Daz is doing when you're up there. He's an ugly bugger but does know his stuff ;D ;D
He'll talk you through what he's doing (because he likes the sound of his own voice :D) and explain things in simple terms. :y :y
Good on you for booking a course and you'll be fine. I'd highly recommend taking TB up on his offer of guidance in the future... I learnt from my Grandfather at a very young age and just built my knowledge up over time. If you can start doing the routine servicing yourself you will soon save back the cost of the kit to get started :y :y
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Best bet is to pay attention to what Daz is doing when you're up there. He's an ugly bugger but does know his stuff ;D ;D
He'll talk you through what he's doing (because he likes the sound of his own voice :D) and explain things in simple terms. :y :y
Good on you for booking a course and you'll be fine. I'd highly recommend taking TB up on his offer of guidance in the future... I learnt from my Grandfather at a very young age and just built my knowledge up over time. If you can start doing the routine servicing yourself you will soon save back the cost of the kit to get started :y :y
thanks both tunnie and slapper :y i'll take your advice!
i had a bit of a play on the car. i used the jack that was given with the car to jack it up (one of those pull out covers was stuck in though and it would have to be the passenger one ::)) well anyway i got a torch in (taking the advice not to get under the car with just the jack :y and located the oil drainage. looked in the engine but couldn't locate the oil filter though. there seemed to be a couple of cannister looking items but i'll go through the guide again, see if i can locate a pic :y :y :y :y
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Torque Wrench:
http://www.halfords.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/product_storeId_10001_catalogId_10151_productId_178843_langId_-1_categoryId_165469 (http://www.halfords.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/product_storeId_10001_catalogId_10151_productId_178843_langId_-1_categoryId_165469)
Its considerably cheaper on trade, more like £40. I have a trade card here, your welcome to use it, but you'd be better off paying cash as they might check name on trade card against who is paying.
You will need axle stands to support the car while under it, never go underneath a car which is supported solely by a jack.
http://www.halfords.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/product_storeId_10001_catalogId_10151_productId_216002_langId_-1_categoryId_255207 (http://www.halfords.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/product_storeId_10001_catalogId_10151_productId_216002_langId_-1_categoryId_255207)
Done little search, nice little kit here which includes jack + stands. Not the best, but its good enough to get you started.
http://www.halfords.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/product_storeId_10001_catalogId_10151_productId_817643_langId_-1_categoryId_255207 (http://www.halfords.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/product_storeId_10001_catalogId_10151_productId_817643_langId_-1_categoryId_255207)
You also really want to buy this when its on offer:
http://www.halfords.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/product_storeId_10001_catalogId_10151_productId_173083_langId_-1_categoryId_255215 (http://www.halfords.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/product_storeId_10001_catalogId_10151_productId_173083_langId_-1_categoryId_255215)
Its similar to normal trade price, bar a few adaptors i has nearly everything you need to strip a V6 down, I have this set. Started like you, did not have a feking clue how to change oil...
The toy jacks that come with the set are a bit of a problem with Omegas, they dont quite get it high enough to get the stand on a good setting.
Also, Halfords seem to be asking for signatures again, so dont lend cards to others ;)
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Thought jack would not really be amazing, but thought it would get it high enough :-\
Point taken on trade :y
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A point on jacking and axle stands. The underside of your car will be undersealed, and jacking straight onto the underseal may well damage the seal, and possibly the metal chassis, as jacks have lugs around the jack plate to prevent slippage. More expensive jacks, as used in some garages, have a rubber pad on the plate to prevent this damage. To protect my chassis from such damage, I make up an appropriate block of wood or rubber to fit the jack plate, and the weight of the car, if on level ground, will prevent it slipping if jacked in the correct place. Axle stands, because of their shape, and with correct positioning, are less likely to cause damage, however I still use protective measures.
To find the jacking points on a car, refer to the owner's or workshop manual. There is invariably a jacking point to take a hydraulic jack, just inboard of the point where the car's wheel change jack is designed to fit, and you will see tyre fitters putting the jack there as a matter of course. There are often other places on the underside of any car's chassis which MAY be safe to use as jacking points, sometimes with timber used as a load spreader, but you will no doubt learn about this on your mechanics course, and with experience.
My apologies if I am telling you stuff you already know.
Best wishes and good luck on the course. :y :y :y
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A point on jacking and axle stands. The underside of your car will be undersealed, and jacking straight onto the underseal may well damage the seal, and possibly the metal chassis, as jacks have lugs around the jack plate to prevent slippage. More expensive jacks, as used in some garages, have a rubber pad on the plate to prevent this damage. To protect my chassis from such damage, I make up an appropriate block of wood or rubber to fit the jack plate, and the weight of the car, if on level ground, will prevent it slipping if jacked in the correct place. Axle stands, because of their shape, and with correct positioning, are less likely to cause damage, however I still use protective measures.
To find the jacking points on a car, refer to the owner's or workshop manual. There is invariably a jacking point to take a hydraulic jack, just inboard of the point where the car's wheel change jack is designed to fit, and you will see tyre fitters putting the jack there as a matter of course. There are often other places on the underside of any car's chassis which MAY be safe to use as jacking points, sometimes with timber used as a load spreader, but you will no doubt learn about this on your mechanics course, and with experience.
My apologies if I am telling you stuff you already know.Best wishes and good luck on the course. :y :y :y
not at all mate. i need ALL the advice i can get.
spent a really good day with the pink one. he went through everything with me and although i think i'd still be stumped a bit with the fuel filter......... the oil change, oil filter, air filter, pollen filter will defo be something i can do :y also didn't realise the s.plugs were accessible without removal of plenum... although looks awkward to get at the right hand side ::)
im defo going to get that kit that tunnie recommended. then im away :y
thanks again guys and big thanks to DLK for his time and effort in helping a complete novice!! :y :y :y :y
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No problem Steve your welcome anytime :y
A few tools will be a help.
Daz
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No problem Steve your welcome anytime :y
A few tools will be a help.
Daz
Cheers mate :-* :-* :-*:y :y :y :y
btw, i don't think i mentioned... i have a new door strap bush to put on. on reading the guides a well greased replacement will remove that horrid clicking/cracking noise when drivers door is open... iirc you had same on your black mv6 that i was introduced to at the farm. did you do the same?
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No problem Steve your welcome anytime :y
A few tools will be a help.
Daz
Cheers mate :-* :-* :-*:y :y :y :y
btw, i don't think i mentioned... i have a new door strap bush to put on. on reading the guides a well greased replacement will remove that horrid clicking/cracking noise when drivers door is open... iirc you had same on your black mv6 that i was introduced to at the farm. did you do the same?
Those washers are fitted dry.
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No problem Steve your welcome anytime :y
A few tools will be a help.
Daz
Cheers mate :-* :-* :-*:y :y :y :y
btw, i don't think i mentioned... i have a new door strap bush to put on. on reading the guides a well greased replacement will remove that horrid clicking/cracking noise when drivers door is open... iirc you had same on your black mv6 that i was introduced to at the farm. did you do the same?
Those washers are fitted dry.
oh..... this guide says to grease well...
http://www.omegaowners.com/forum/index.php?topic=90525.0
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;D ;D ;D
And so it does ;D
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;D ;D ;D
And so it does ;D
What idiot wrote that guide ::)
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;D ;D ;D
And so it does ;D
What idiot wrote that guide ::)
lol!
i'll fit dry :y thank you.
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Hi All,
Are these ramps suitable for the Omega as an alternative to the Axel Stands??......
http://www.halfords.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/product_storeId_10001_catalogId_10151_productId_175876_langId_-1_categoryId_255207
I'm going to be honest I am really a bit nervous about putting the car on those stands. :-[
Do you drive up these ramps or jack up and place front wheels each at a time?
Cheers :y
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Omega is a pain on ramps, because of the long nose/back - you need to extend ramps with planks.
You will need stands anyway to do wheels/brakes/suspension etc.
As previously said, more than willing to show you std maint tasks, if ever you pass my end of the A43.
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For £60 you`ll still need extensions. Get both here for £37 delivered with a greater weight capacity
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/1-PAIR-2-5-TONNE-CAR-RAMPS-WIDE-RAMP-EXTENTIONS-/290615173930?pt=UK_Lifting_Moving_Equipment&hash=item43aa03a32a
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Omega is a pain on ramps, because of the long nose/back - you need to extend ramps with planks.
You will need stands anyway to do wheels/brakes/suspension etc.
As previously said, more than willing to show you std maint tasks, if ever you pass my end of the A43.
That's what I thought, but thought I'd check :y
Thank you very much. I want to do a coolant flush. Would it be ok to pop up one Sunday? :)