Omega Owners Forum
Chat Area => General Discussion Area => Topic started by: TheBoy on 27 February 2012, 20:37:02
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OK, warrants a thread of its own, other had to be locked....
So, how can we allow some level of fun, without being abusive to members? We have a global audience, so we cannot have the mindless BNP mentality that was creeping in.
The jokes became overwhelming - page after page of 'jokes' that weren't even funny 20yrs ago, so got shifted off into 1 thread. Politics threads became the same way - thread after thread of politics that only interested a handful.
Speaking, for once, as an Admin, we can't have a chat section swamped with a single genre - that looks even more cliquey that normal banter.
So, any ideas?
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Set up an Omega Amigos lounge section.
You can only access it and post when you have reached say 250 posts AND are enabled by request from the hopeful would be Amigo.
The lounge wouldn't be accessible by the global audience only by those who had posted 250 or whatever limit was deemed Ok ANd had actually asked to be in the lounge.
The name isn't important - it could just as easily be called something else.
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How about positive things?
Being relatively new here, I have glanced around the forum, and geez, there is a serious amount of moaning. Ain't gonna harp on about it, but it does get a little tedious.
How about the good things that happened this week, holiday plans, how you'd love to go on safari in Kenya as a mate just came back and told you how great it was, the heating worked all winter faultlessly, the cam cover does NOT leak, the handbrake is GOOD, had a good day at work, got a great bargain today, beat my previous mpg record, on and on and on.
You get the drift. Yeah, had a good days drifting, for eg
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Set up an Omega Amigos lounge section.
You can only access it and post when you have reached say 250 posts AND are enabled by request from the hopeful would be Amigo.
The lounge wouldn't be accessible by the global audience only by those who had posted 250 or whatever limit was deemed Ok ANd had actually asked to be in the lounge.
The name isn't important - it could just as easily be called something else.
One of our founding priciples is that everybody is equal. I reckon that idea may be classed as divisive, or them-and-us. Is it much different from 'paid VIP' type memberships that exist of so many other forums?
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Varche, like the idea but shouldn't it be ''Omego''? ;D
I been away and just come back. Seems there's been a bit of a tiff.
I used to post in gen. chat all the time but my posts which I only ever intended to bring humour sometimes got taken out of context. That's why I don't really bother posting any more.
Have to say though I do keep a very occasional eye in this section.... not sen anything too bad. Is there really a problem or just one incident? :-\
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How about positive things?
Being relatively new here, I have glanced around the forum, and geez, there is a serious amount of moaning. Ain't gonna harp on about it, but it does get a little tedious.
How about the good things that happened this week, holiday plans, how you'd love to go on safari in Kenya as a mate just came back and told you how great it was, the heating worked all winter faultlessly, the cam cover does NOT leak, the handbrake is GOOD, had a good day at work, got a great bargain today, beat my previous mpg record, on and on and on.
You get the drift. Yeah, had a good days drifting, for eg
Whilst some of those may be better discussed in Car Chat, I like the idea. A good varied discussion.
When OOF started, because the value of Omegas was higher, many members did them up as project cars. Was always good to read the progress. We still have one or 2 talking about Omega engines in kit cars etc, always a worthwhile read, but due to the value of Omegas, this isn't the norm.
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I would like to take this opportunity to ask Daz, to Marry me?
I am now on one knee.
Daz, will you marry me?
Seems the way forward tbh. ;D
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Imo it cant be improved by design.It is what it is because the people posting make it what it is.It used to be something different,but that was due partially to different people posting then,and maybe partially due to people who are still here getting used to one another,becoming a bit jaded,blase ?
Istr there have been a few attempts in the past to rejuvinate it,bring back the fun, but it didnt work.It would have to happen naturally for it to work imo.
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I would like to take this opportunity to ask Daz, to Marry me?
I am now on one knee.
Daz, will you marry me?
Seems the way forward tbh. ;D
Jammie! Your efforts to turn him worked! Although not maybe the way you were hoping.....chin up! Plenty more meat out there for you big boy ;D ;D ;D
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Imo it cant be improved by design.It is what it is because the people posting make it what it is.It used to be something different,but that was due partially to different people posting then,and maybe partially due to people who are still here getting used to one another,becoming a bit jaded,blase ?
Istr there have been a few attempts in the past to rejuvinate it,bring back the fun, but it didnt work.It would have to happen naturally for it to work imo.
Is that a case of the rules are too strict? Or have, in an attempt to cure the swamping we used to get last year with political and joke threads, we have discouraged people from freely chatting?
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As I said lately I think there is no serious trouble but how I see now the more stars you have the more right you can get and this is depending actually only on number of stars ( number of posts ) but not on your general attitude....anyhow they should be in harmony to my mind.
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I would like to take this opportunity to ask Daz, to Marry me?
I am now on one knee.
Daz, will you marry me?
Seems the way forward tbh. ;D
Jammie! Your efforts to turn him worked! Although not maybe the way you were hoping.....chin up! Plenty more meat out there for you big boy ;D ;D ;D
Christ knows what he's smoking. Maybe Mrs CG has hurt him for constantly driving her car.
Anyway, men in uniform, well.....
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I would like to take this opportunity to ask Daz, to Marry me?
I am now on one knee.
Daz, will you marry me?
Seems the way forward tbh. ;D
Jammie! Your efforts to turn him worked! Although not maybe the way you were hoping.....chin up! Plenty more meat out there for you big boy ;D ;D ;D
That'll be Cripple in the hot seat again then. ;D ;D
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I would like to take this opportunity to ask Daz, to Marry me?
I am now on one knee.
Daz, will you marry me?
Seems the way forward tbh. ;D
Jammie! Your efforts to turn him worked! Although not maybe the way you were hoping.....chin up! Plenty more meat out there for you big boy ;D ;D ;D
Oh he's moved on, I played hard to get.... Bit too hard sadly, he's after hat Lazytinker now I rekon.
Daz is more my type anyway. ;D
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As I said lately I think there is no serious trouble but how I see now the more stars you have the more right you can get and this is depending actually only on number of stars ( number of posts ) but not on your general attitude....anyhow they should be in harmony to my mind.
Not sure I understand your post Laszlo :-\
We have always said everyone is the same, and will be treated as such.
The only deviation is a requirement to have 250 posts to sell (sadly, but we have been burned :'().
Maybe I'm idealistic, but I would like that principle to remain, so a Newbie's viewpoint is every bit as valid as a 60,000 post veteran's...
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I would like to take this opportunity to ask Daz, to Marry me?
I am now on one knee.
Daz, will you marry me?
Seems the way forward tbh. ;D
Jammie! Your efforts to turn him worked! Although not maybe the way you were hoping.....chin up! Plenty more meat out there for you big boy ;D ;D ;D
Christ knows what he's smoking. Maybe Mrs CG has hurt him for constantly driving her car.
Anyway, men in uniform, well.....
Nurses uniform for you, Doctors uniform for me. Now, cough cough. :)
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Imo it cant be improved by design.It is what it is because the people posting make it what it is.It used to be something different,but that was due partially to different people posting then,and maybe partially due to people who are still here getting used to one another,becoming a bit jaded,blase ?
Istr there have been a few attempts in the past to rejuvinate it,bring back the fun, but it didnt work.It would have to happen naturally for it to work imo.
Is that a case of the rules are too strict? Or have, in an attempt to cure the swamping we used to get last year with political and joke threads, we have discouraged people from freely chatting?
Jaimie, really don't think it's anything to do with an ''OOF problem''. Unfortunately free speech in general isn't really free speech. Not OOF's fault.... just these days if it aint good clean fun it's not tolerated unless you're with like minded people in private... oof isn't private though so good clean fun it is!
imo.
:)
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i dont actually think theres a problem Love the forum, on here nearly every night alas no mechanic so really only post in general car chat or general chat .
only been on probably 8 months so cant obviously speak about how it previously was but as i can see it you will never please all of the people all of the time and the more people you try to please the harder the admins job becomes
why fix something when its not broken
general chat always goes up and down some nights i say nothing other times i say too much
but general chat is the subject that will either offend or make you roar with laughter why try splitting it up when the forum is really about omegas and cars
if we dont like a subject or get offended by it we dont have to read it or respond to it
all in all i find the site very ammusing and at the same time interesting but above all helpfull , found very few moments to get offended you read into something what you want to
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Imo it cant be improved by design.It is what it is because the people posting make it what it is.It used to be something different,but that was due partially to different people posting then,and maybe partially due to people who are still here getting used to one another,becoming a bit jaded,blase ?
Istr there have been a few attempts in the past to rejuvinate it,bring back the fun, but it didnt work.It would have to happen naturally for it to work imo.
Is that a case of the rules are too strict? Or have, in an attempt to cure the swamping we used to get last year with political and joke threads, we have discouraged people from freely chatting?
I dont think its anything to do with the rules being too strict. Fact is, a few years ago they didnt need to be,most people understood where to draw the line without rules etc. OOF got bigger I suppose and that probably changed it.
Im sure most of us old timers would love to turn the clock back4 or 5 years to when it was utter hilarity on here almost every night,but it cant be one.It was new and fresh to everyone.And everyone was new and fresh to everyone else, but that cant last forever I suppose,its just human nature that things settle into a bit of a routine after a while,just like the difference between newlyweds and an old married couple. I may be completely wrong,but thats the conclusion Ive come to. :-\
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As I've said already, it seems to me to be the usual lull at this time of year :-\
I'm sure it'll perk up soon with the weather :y :y
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Imo it cant be improved by design.It is what it is because the people posting make it what it is.It used to be something different,but that was due partially to different people posting then,and maybe partially due to people who are still here getting used to one another,becoming a bit jaded,blase ?
Istr there have been a few attempts in the past to rejuvinate it,bring back the fun, but it didnt work.It would have to happen naturally for it to work imo.
Is that a case of the rules are too strict? Or have, in an attempt to cure the swamping we used to get last year with political and joke threads, we have discouraged people from freely chatting?
I dont think its anything to do with the rules being too strict. Fact is, a few years ago they didnt need to be,most people understood where to draw the line without rules etc. OOF got bigger I suppose and that probably changed it.
+1 :y
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As I've said already, it seems to me to be the usual lull at this time of year :-\
I'm sure it'll perk up soon with the weather :y :y
I actually agree with that. As Ljay also elluded to on the other thread, before it all went Pete Tong, its an annual thing that happens during the Post Christmas blues.
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How about positive things?
Being relatively new here, I have glanced around the forum, and geez, there is a serious amount of moaning. Ain't gonna harp on about it, but it does get a little tedious.
How about the good things that happened this week, holiday plans, how you'd love to go on safari in Kenya as a mate just came back and told you how great it was, the heating worked all winter faultlessly, the cam cover does NOT leak, the handbrake is GOOD, had a good day at work, got a great bargain today, beat my previous mpg record, on and on and on.
You get the drift. Yeah, had a good days drifting, for eg
Whilst some of those may be better discussed in Car Chat, I like the idea. A good varied discussion.
When OOF started, because the value of Omegas was higher, many members did them up as project cars. Was always good to read the progress. We still have one or 2 talking about Omega engines in kit cars etc, always a worthwhile read, but due to the value of Omegas, this isn't the norm.
I don't think it's just to do with the values of the Omegas. I think it's to do with the increased knowledge of members.
Example - this weekend I've had a nice 53 plate 3.2 Elite Estate on my drive, on which I've been changing a failed oil cooler, replacing the camcover gaskets, thermostat, link pipe, cambelt kit, water pump, aux belt, coolant bridge seals, full service, etc etc...
A while ago, people would have considered it an interesting read, but now, not many members would really care - they've seen it enough times before.
Most established members know how to do an oil cooler, a cambelt kit, camcover gaskets.... so not many will really be interested, because, whereby it used to be considered quite involved and interesting, it's now just something that's par for the course - bread and butter jobs, and consequently is of less interest, to most members.
I remember the last time I posted up that a member and I had done some suspension/brake work on my car, the first real comments on the thread were asking me why I needed moral support (with suspension work) when I advertise that I work on other peoples cars (engines only).
It made me think the whole positive 'OOF spirit' of posting such things about members getting together, having a good time and getting results was dead, with people instead preferring to simply pick holes. As such, I don't bother anymore. (for the record, I am genuinely only using this thread as one example I can remember - there are several others I have also seen regarding other members, who have been pulled apart for 'daring' to do something different, or something 'OOF' doesn't recommend).
I took a load of pictures of the work on this project so far, I was going to post them up... but the above two points made me think I can't be bothered... and hence I haven't wasted my time :y
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Agreed. A couple of weeks and it will be meets time again and old(er) faces get to meet more new(er) faces and all can get a better idea of the humour that the typed word cant always get across.... :y
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speaking of old faces - good to see you back online again Doug (Timbuk) :y
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Agreed. A couple of weeks and it will be meets time again and old(er) faces get to meet more new(er) faces and all can get a better idea of the humour that the typed word cant always get across.... :y
very much so :y :y
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Example - this weekend I've had a nice 53 plate 3.2 Elite Estate on my drive, on which I've been changing a failed oil cooler, replacing the camcover gaskets, thermostat, link pipe, cambelt kit, water pump, aux belt, coolant bridge seals, full service, etc etc...
A while ago, people would have considered it an interesting read, but now, not many members would really care - they've seen it enough times before.
Most established members know how to do an oil cooler, a cambelt kit, camcover gaskets.... so not many will really be interested, because, whereby it used to be considered quite involved and interesting, it's now just something that's par for the course - bread and butter jobs, and consequently is of less interest, to most members.
I disagree. If people aren't interested, they can skip it. Remember, we have many new members as well, and by saying what you've done, even showing pics of work in progress, may encourage those new members to 'have a go' themselves.
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Example - this weekend I've had a nice 53 plate 3.2 Elite Estate on my drive, on which I've been changing a failed oil cooler, replacing the camcover gaskets, thermostat, link pipe, cambelt kit, water pump, aux belt, coolant bridge seals, full service, etc etc...
A while ago, people would have considered it an interesting read, but now, not many members would really care - they've seen it enough times before.
Most established members know how to do an oil cooler, a cambelt kit, camcover gaskets.... so not many will really be interested, because, whereby it used to be considered quite involved and interesting, it's now just something that's par for the course - bread and butter jobs, and consequently is of less interest, to most members.
I disagree. If people aren't interested, they can skip it. Remember, we have many new members as well, and by saying what you've done, even showing pics of work in progress, may encourage those new members to 'have a go' themselves.
If you genuinely believe that, then I will post up :y
Desperately need an alternative to photobucket though. It really is pants... ::)
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So, any ideas?
Nobody wants to argue after a toke, and if that don't work then kill 'em all and let god sort it out :)
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Nobody wants to argue after a toke
I used to know someone who got aggressive after a puff of shit. Funny as heck, as when he started with a stranger in the pub, he wasn't quick enough to duck ;D
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Nobody wants to argue after a toke
I used to know someone who got aggressive after a puff of shit. Funny as heck, as when he started with a stranger in the pub, he wasn't quick enough to duck ;D
I read the first bit and was going to say it is very rare indeed for a pothead to get leary, then I carried on and saw mention of booze as well which would explain any aggression if it were displayed.
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As I've said already, it seems to me to be the usual lull at this time of year :-\
I'm sure it'll perk up soon with the weather :y :y
I actually agree with that. As Ljay also elluded to on the other thread, before it all went Pete Tong, its an annual thing that happens during the Post Christmas blues.
I remember last year , there were big debates for no apparent reason.. ;D
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Example - this weekend I've had a nice 53 plate 3.2 Elite Estate on my drive, on which I've been changing a failed oil cooler, replacing the camcover gaskets, thermostat, link pipe, cambelt kit, water pump, aux belt, coolant bridge seals, full service, etc etc...
A while ago, people would have considered it an interesting read, but now, not many members would really care - they've seen it enough times before.
Most established members know how to do an oil cooler, a cambelt kit, camcover gaskets.... so not many will really be interested, because, whereby it used to be considered quite involved and interesting, it's now just something that's par for the course - bread and butter jobs, and consequently is of less interest, to most members.
I disagree. If people aren't interested, they can skip it. Remember, we have many new members as well, and by saying what you've done, even showing pics of work in progress, may encourage those new members to 'have a go' themselves.
Agreed :y
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Nobody wants to argue after a toke
I used to know someone who got aggressive after a puff of shit. Funny as heck, as when he started with a stranger in the pub, he wasn't quick enough to duck ;D
;D
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Example - this weekend I've had a nice 53 plate 3.2 Elite Estate on my drive, on which I've been changing a failed oil cooler, replacing the camcover gaskets, thermostat, link pipe, cambelt kit, water pump, aux belt, coolant bridge seals, full service, etc etc...
A while ago, people would have considered it an interesting read, but now, not many members would really care - they've seen it enough times before.
Most established members know how to do an oil cooler, a cambelt kit, camcover gaskets.... so not many will really be interested, because, whereby it used to be considered quite involved and interesting, it's now just something that's par for the course - bread and butter jobs, and consequently is of less interest, to most members.
I disagree. If people aren't interested, they can skip it. Remember, we have many new members as well, and by saying what you've done, even showing pics of work in progress, may encourage those new members to 'have a go' themselves.
If you genuinely believe that, then I will post up :y
Desperately need an alternative to photobucket though. It really is pants... ::)
Dropbox, much easier but you need to be tech savvy enough to resize the pics yourself.(as I'm sure you are)
Join with my link and we both get an extra 250 mb of free space.
http://db.tt/4C6JF7QE (http://db.tt/4C6JF7QE)
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there is no reasonable way to implement a rule that makes people let things slide.... and really THAT is what's needed.
essentially, people wanting to have the last word is what makes forum "incidents" blow up out of all proportion...
it happens, there's little we can ever do about it, other than maybe gently hold the mirror of ridicule up to those involved a little....
sadly, even this is fraught with the potential to cause more fracas.
I've elsewhere been through all sorts of permutations of "no politics, no religion, no sex, no blah" , and even got to the point of removing the off topic section altogether.... (and although meant for a few weeks, ended up being several years, after the management could not agree how to implement one that would not fall foul of the same thing. )
activity levels, are seasonal , and cyclic, although with any forum based on the need to learn things, and a finite number of people needing that aspect, there will eventually be a saturation point, we're probably approaching it here, especially as the number of miggys still on the road begins to dwindle...
that implies , an eventual "heat death" scenario... and as the long term prognosis , this is almost inevitable .
however, while we as a community continue to interact, the forum will remain a viable entity...
I don't think you need to fix the forum Jaime. it works as it is..... , although i'm of the opinion that politics is a fair game , especially in the current socioeconomic situation....
just within fairly sensible "guidelines" and some kind of three strike thread locking rule.....
it would be nice if there was some kind of consistent self moderation of people's sense of humour....
rules like.... "if you wouldn't say or show this to your wife, or in front of your kids, probably best leave it out here as well" leave room for plenty of maneuver, and interpretation..... but give the idea of some decorum being required....
but, require someone to pony up and enforce them, and i'm very grateful to the entire team here that they do so even handedly, and with some levity... the whole post count modification thing, for example, i thought was great..... for those of us watching perhaps more than those of us getting slammed.... but that's just me....
consider this place a pub, one should be able to have a laugh with one's mates..... but within limits.....
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i dont actually think theres a problem Love the forum, on here nearly every night alas no mechanic so really only post in general car chat or general chat .
only been on probably 8 months so cant obviously speak about how it previously was but as i can see it you will never please all of the people all of the time and the more people you try to please the harder the admins job becomes
why fix something when its not broken
general chat always goes up and down some nights i say nothing other times i say too much
but general chat is the subject that will either offend or make you roar with laughter why try splitting it up when the forum is really about omegas and cars
if we dont like a subject or get offended by it we dont have to read it or respond to it
all in all i find the site very ammusing and at the same time interesting but above all helpfull , found very few moments to get offended you read into something what you want to
+1 my thoughts as well
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I don't think it's just to do with the values of the Omegas. I think it's to do with the increased knowledge of members.
Example - this weekend I've had a nice 53 plate 3.2 Elite Estate on my drive, on which I've been changing a failed oil cooler, replacing the camcover gaskets, thermostat, link pipe, cambelt kit, water pump, aux belt, coolant bridge seals, full service, etc etc...
A while ago, people would have considered it an interesting read, but now, not many members would really care - they've seen it enough times before.
Most established members know how to do an oil cooler, a cambelt kit, camcover gaskets.... so not many will really be interested, because, whereby it used to be considered quite involved and interesting, it's now just something that's par for the course - bread and butter jobs, and consequently is of less interest, to most members.
I remember the last time I posted up that a member and I had done some suspension/brake work on my car, the first real comments on the thread were asking me why I needed moral support (with suspension work) when I advertise that I work on other peoples cars (engines only).
It made me think the whole positive 'OOF spirit' of posting such things about members getting together, having a good time and getting results was dead, with people instead preferring to simply pick holes. As such, I don't bother anymore. (for the record, I am genuinely only using this thread as one example I can remember - there are several others I have also seen regarding other members, who have been pulled apart for 'daring' to do something different, or something 'OOF' doesn't recommend).
I took a load of pictures of the work on this project so far, I was going to post them up... but the above two points made me think I can't be bothered... and hence I haven't wasted my time :y
Sorry James have to disagree - I for one would like to see this and I am sure some of the new and less experienced members would also
Remember a thread a couple of weeks ago about head gaskets being done read and looked with interest and bookmarked.
Please keep any good info and pictures coming for us less experienced - ta
By the way GenDiss is not broke and dont need fixing Simpl's ;)
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Just had another thought TB - how about a poll at the top of this thread ?
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Removed by me
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Example - this weekend I've had a nice 53 plate 3.2 Elite Estate on my drive, on which I've been changing a failed oil cooler, replacing the camcover gaskets, thermostat, link pipe, cambelt kit, water pump, aux belt, coolant bridge seals, full service, etc etc...
A while ago, people would have considered it an interesting read, but now, not many members would really care - they've seen it enough times before.
Most established members know how to do an oil cooler, a cambelt kit, camcover gaskets.... so not many will really be interested, because, whereby it used to be considered quite involved and interesting, it's now just something that's par for the course - bread and butter jobs, and consequently is of less interest, to most members.
I disagree. If people aren't interested, they can skip it. Remember, we have many new members as well, and by saying what you've done, even showing pics of work in progress, may encourage those new members to 'have a go' themselves.
Ditto.I had such thread running recently about the work I was doing to a car after oil cooler failure. I recieved quite a few comments from (mostly) newish members saying they had really enjoyed following the progress of it.
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I enjoy reading threads that show what people are doing with their cars, we are mainly a car forum as I see it :y
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ditto as a non mechanic great to see what people are doing even better when its a project imho seeing it before during and after :y :y
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I enjoy reading threads that show what people are doing with their cars, we are mainly a car forum as I see it :y
Me too, and the more involved/complicated the better :y
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I enjoy reading threads that show what people are doing with their cars, we are mainly a car forum as I see it :y
Is that a "No" ? ;D
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If you genuinely believe that, then I will post up :y
Desperately need an alternative to photobucket though. It really is pants... ::)
James - set up a folder on your web site server & upload pics to there ;)
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Just wanted to add my thoughts.... admittedly I'm not and never have been an Omega owner therefore the car threads don't hold much interest for me... but I enjoy reading Gen Dis every day, I've learnt things I didn't know I didn't know (if you know what I mean) :) And the variety of opinions makes for good debate...
To be honest it's almost like a daily newspaper but more up to date because if something major has happened it will be on here almost instantly.
Lin
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I enjoy reading threads that show what people are doing with their cars, we are mainly a car forum as I see it :y
Is that a "No" ? ;D
I'm not sure it was a "Yes", but he definitely didn't say "No" either :y. Did rather abruptly sidestep the question though... ::)
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I enjoy reading threads that show what people are doing with their cars, we are mainly a car forum as I see it :y
terribly sorry old boy, I am a little tired....
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I enjoy reading threads that show what people are doing with their cars, we are mainly a car forum as I see it :y
terribly sorry old boy, I am a little tired....
Really? ::) After the fuss you created in the other thread? ::)
Come on Ljay... Be the grown up here ;)
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I enjoy reading threads that show what people are doing with their cars, we are mainly a car forum as I see it :y
terribly sorry old boy, I am a little tired....
It seems you need some Beauty Sleep ;D
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I enjoy reading threads that show what people are doing with their cars, we are mainly a car forum as I see it :y
terribly sorry old boy, I am a little tired....
It seems you need some Beauty Sleep ;D
We only have 24 hours in a day ;D ;D
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I enjoy reading threads that show what people are doing with their cars, we are mainly a car forum as I see it :y
terribly sorry old boy, I am a little tired....
It seems you need some Beauty Sleep ;D
just following the example our wonderful unfunny court jester mod set! ;-)
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I enjoy reading threads that show what people are doing with their cars, we are mainly a car forum as I see it :y
terribly sorry old boy, I am a little tired....
It seems you need some Beauty Sleep ;D
just following the example our wonderful unfunny court jester mod set! ;-)
Not quite, forgot the laughing smiley at the end ;D
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Imho, I can't see much wrong with General Discussion.
Oofers chat about exactly the same things that they talk about down the pub, on a street corner or in the work place :y
If a few posts tend to lean towards one subject, it is because people have plenty to say on that subject ;)
I understand that they has to be forum rules when it comes down to language, personal insults but other then that, just let people get on with it :y
A while back, Daz (you very naughty boy) decieded to play with post counts ;D ;D
The way some people reacted was just rather pathetic imo.
These people should get out more and taste real life instead of hideing behind a keyboard ::)
At the end of the day, if you don't want to read a post, don't read it ;)
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As Paul Lovebucket said - "if it ain't broke don't fix it".
Although I'm Omegaless now, I still enjoy popping in for a browse around and keeping in contact, mostly in Gen Chat. I read the stuff I want and ignore the stuff that doesn't interest me......simple. ;)
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Oh dear :o :o as said if there was a smiley face after the terribly sorry old boy, I am a little tired i would have thought good for Ljay very funny etc
are we going to find another locked topic and lets face it its not a good example
Think your a very nice Lady Ljay met you at newent and love your post always something interesting to read and great sense of humour. Also appreciate the fact that your a female in lets face it is a male dominated site and you are an inportant member with a voice
Ditto Daz
I cant comment on what happened between the pair of you was not party to it and did not read it etc all i will say is please boys and girls lets get it sorted :y
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As Paul Lovebucket said - "if it ain't broke don't fix it".
Although I'm Omegaless now, I still enjoy popping in for a browse around and keeping in contact, mostly in Gen Chat. I read the stuff I want and ignore the stuff that doesn't interest me......simple. ;)
thanks bob thats a first ;D ;D ;D millwalls going to love that one ;D ;D
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Oh dear :o :o as said if there was a smiley face after the terribly sorry old boy, I am a little tired i would have thought good for Ljay very funny etc
are we going to find another locked topic and lets face it its not a good example
Think your a very nice Lady Ljay met you at newent and love your post always something interesting to read and great sense of humour. Also appreciate the fact that your a female in lets face it is a male dominated site and you are an inportant member with a voice
Ditto Daz
I cant comment on what happened between the pair of you was not party to it and did not read it etc all i will say is please boys and girls lets get it sorted :y
so it's ok to act like a knob if you put a smiley on the end! Gotcha. Apologies, phone doesn't do smilies. :D
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personally I would prefer the car chat and general discussion together like before..
tired of clicking menus back and forth ;D :P
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Oh dear :o :o as said if there was a smiley face after the terribly sorry old boy, I am a little tired i would have thought good for Ljay very funny etc
are we going to find another locked topic and lets face it its not a good example
Think your a very nice Lady Ljay met you at newent and love your post always something interesting to read and great sense of humour. Also appreciate the fact that your a female in lets face it is a male dominated site and you are an inportant member with a voice
Ditto Daz
I cant comment on what happened between the pair of you was not party to it and did not read it etc all i will say is please boys and girls lets get it sorted :y
so it's ok to act like a knob if you put a smiley on the end! Gotcha. Apologies, phone doesn't do smilies. :D
;D ;D who told you my middle name :y
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As Paul Lovebucket said - "if it ain't broke don't fix it".
Although I'm Omegaless now, I still enjoy popping in for a browse around and keeping in contact, mostly in Gen Chat. I read the stuff I want and ignore the stuff that doesn't interest me......simple. ;)
Knob.dent ::) ::)
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As Paul Lovebucket said - "if it ain't broke don't fix it".
Although I'm Omegaless now, I still enjoy popping in for a browse around and keeping in contact, mostly in Gen Chat. I read the stuff I want and ignore the stuff that doesn't interest me......simple. ;)
Knob.dent ::) ::)
Oy.....less of your cheek Lovebucket! ;D
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Be quiet. You're like a gang of rather old women.
Set everyone's post count to zero, in fact, delete everyones membership. Start all over again, see how many bother to register.
About 10.......20? ;D
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Be quiet. You're like a gang of rather old women.
Set everyone's post count to zero, in fact, delete everyones membership. Start all over again, see how many bother to register.
About 10.......20? ;D
??? ;D ;D will be interesting.. ;D ::)
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As I said lately I think there is no serious trouble but how I see now the more stars you have the more right you can get and this is depending actually only on number of stars ( number of posts ) but not on your general attitude....anyhow they should be in harmony to my mind.
Not sure I understand your post Laszlo :-\
We have always said everyone is the same, and will be treated as such.
The only deviation is a requirement to have 250 posts to sell (sadly, but we have been burned :'().
Maybe I'm idealistic, but I would like that principle to remain, so a Newbie's viewpoint is every bit as valid as a 60,000 post veteran's...
I mean TB that if there were some people reported as had been offending others they would have to be limited or controlled by admins eg posting just after previous checking or similar...Repeat I haven't ever been hurt here I have no any bad opinion about the Forum or any member it's just an idea in case of somebody want the Forum to be improved even more...It's not random that - summarising my activity - I have here 750 posts but home 250 two Hun forums included . ;) ( Hope I used "were" and "had been" well , sorry if not ) :D
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Be quiet. You're like a gang of rather old women.
Set everyone's post count to zero, in fact, delete everyones membership. Start all over again, see how many bother to register.
About 10.......20? ;D
??? ;D ;D will be interesting.. ;D ::)
They will be tears ;D ;D ;D
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How about a slanging room which is only open between 12-1 pm daily so we can all tear the back out of each other for on our lunchtimes then it auto deletes?
I have my list of insults ready but may have to spread them over a few weeks ;D
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How about a slanging room which is only open between 12-1 pm daily so we can all tear the back out of each other for on our lunchtimes then it auto deletes?
I have my list of insults ready but may have to spread them over a few weeks ;D
I've had my suspicions about you for a while.
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I enjoy reading threads that show what people are doing with their cars, we are mainly a car forum as I see it :y
terribly sorry old boy, I am a little tired....
It seems you need some Beauty Sleep ;D
just following the example our wonderful unfunny court jester mod set! ;-)
Actually I've bored myself now! After some good advice I've decided there's no point arguing with an idiot, he'll only draw me down to his level and beat me with experience! ;D ;D
Go Daz, knock yourself out, I understand you can't help it! :y :y ;D ;D
Not even going there on the beauty sleep, it's pot calling kettle and there's no need for personal insults just to save face! :y ;D
Note use of smilies
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How about a slanging room which is only open between 12-1 pm daily so we can all tear the back out of each other for on our lunchtimes then it auto deletes?
I have my list of insults ready but may have to spread them over a few weeks ;D
I don't finish till 1! :( :(
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I enjoy reading threads that show what people are doing with their cars, we are mainly a car forum as I see it :y
terribly sorry old boy, I am a little tired....
It seems you need some Beauty Sleep ;D
just following the example our wonderful unfunny court jester mod set! ;-)
Actually I've bored myself now! After some good advice I've decided there's no point arguing with an idiot, he'll only draw me down to his level and beat me with experience! ;D ;D
Go Daz, knock yourself out, I understand you can't help it! :y :y ;D ;D
Not even going there on the beauty sleep, it's pot calling kettle and there's no need for personal insults just to save face! :y ;D
Note use of smilies
Haven't you got any housework to do, wench?
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I enjoy reading threads that show what people are doing with their cars, we are mainly a car forum as I see it :y
terribly sorry old boy, I am a little tired....
It seems you need some Beauty Sleep ;D
just following the example our wonderful unfunny court jester mod set! ;-)
Actually I've bored myself now! After some good advice I've decided there's no point arguing with an idiot, he'll only draw me down to his level and beat me with experience! ;D ;D
Go Daz, knock yourself out, I understand you can't help it! :y :y ;D ;D
Not even going there on the beauty sleep, it's pot calling kettle and there's no need for personal insults just to save face! :y ;D
Note use of smilies
Haha LJay you remember me to my honey who has as big mouth as yours... ;D ;D ;D ;D :y :y :y :y
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I enjoy reading threads that show what people are doing with their cars, we are mainly a car forum as I see it :y
terribly sorry old boy, I am a little tired....
It seems you need some Beauty Sleep ;D
just following the example our wonderful unfunny court jester mod set! ;-)
Actually I've bored myself now! After some good advice I've decided there's no point arguing with an idiot, he'll only draw me down to his level and beat me with experience! ;D ;D
Go Daz, knock yourself out, I understand you can't help it! :y :y ;D ;D
Not even going there on the beauty sleep, it's pot calling kettle and there's no need for personal insults just to save face! :y ;D
Note use of smilies
Haven't you got any housework to do, wench?
As long as it's a buxom wench.... ;)
Don't do housework, it's what I employ a husband for! ;) ;D
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I enjoy reading threads that show what people are doing with their cars, we are mainly a car forum as I see it :y
terribly sorry old boy, I am a little tired....
It seems you need some Beauty Sleep ;D
just following the example our wonderful unfunny court jester mod set! ;-)
Actually I've bored myself now! After some good advice I've decided there's no point arguing with an idiot, he'll only draw me down to his level and beat me with experience! ;D ;D
Go Daz, knock yourself out, I understand you can't help it! :y :y ;D ;D
Not even going there on the beauty sleep, it's pot calling kettle and there's no need for personal insults just to save face! :y ;D
Note use of smilies
Haha LJay you remember me to my honey who has as big mouth as yours... ;D ;D ;D ;D :y :y :y :y
All the better for...... ;)
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I enjoy reading threads that show what people are doing with their cars, we are mainly a car forum as I see it :y
terribly sorry old boy, I am a little tired....
It seems you need some Beauty Sleep ;D
just following the example our wonderful unfunny court jester mod set! ;-)
Actually I've bored myself now! After some good advice I've decided there's no point arguing with an idiot, he'll only draw me down to his level and beat me with experience! ;D ;D
Go Daz, knock yourself out, I understand you can't help it! :y :y ;D ;D
Not even going there on the beauty sleep, it's pot calling kettle and there's no need for personal insults just to save face! :y ;D
Note use of smilies
Haha LJay you remember me to my honey who has as big mouth as yours... ;D ;D ;D ;D :y :y :y :y
All the better for...... ;)
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D :y :y :y :y
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im not allowed to comment on this thread >:(
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im not allowed to comment on this thread >:(
I'd be very interested in your opinions, Daz. Please share.
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not allowed,jimbob keeps deleting my post and then sending me pm,s saying hes gonna spank my bum
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not allowed,jimbob keeps deleting my post and then sending me pm,s saying hes gonna spank my bum
He's all wind and piss mate. Post it up. ;D
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Before this weeks stupidity I actually thought OOF had "grown up" and was a nicer place to be, there was "less" agro and pointless posts.. and an awful lot less "ego masaging" but it looks like that is all returning.
Personally, what some folks seem to think is "banter" is actually just plain rudeness, after 38 years in the military I KNOW what banter is .. and a "masked swear word off" is not banter in any way, shape, or form.
One of the reasons, quite simply, that OOF will never return to what it was 5 years ago, is the price of the cars.
Now this will probably offend someone, but it is my view.
When the cars were £8000 (as mine when I bought it 4 years ago) there was never any discussion about "chaving them up", or scrapping because a cam sensor had gone.... the members did everything to keep the cars on the road, and - to be perfectly honest - the members were of a "type" that, whilst not throwing money away, never did things "on the cheap".
It is now almost cheaper to buy one than to do a full service, brakes and a set of tyres... so a different "type" of person is buying them, joining the forum, and taking part in Gen Dis.... a KOS (military term) like me will never have the same viewpoint as a 20 year old .... in politics, interests, music, humour, and most importantly, how to converse with others.
What I think rude and objectionable is, to others, normal and acceptable, it is called change.... and it happens all the time... and is unstoppable.... probably IMHO unfortunately .. :(
Forums don't make people .. people make forums ... and the people will decide what they want, simply by either staying if they agree, or leaving if they don't. ... and the rules won't change that ... just look how many of OOF's present, very simple, rules are ignored .... by most .. :(
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Before this weeks stupidity I actually thought OOF had "grown up" and was a nicer place to be, there was "less" agro and pointless posts.. and an awful lot less "ego masaging" but it looks like that is all returning.
Personally, what some folks seem to think is "banter" is actually just plain rudeness, after 38 years in the military I KNOW what banter is .. and a "masked swear word off" is not banter in any way, shape, or form.
One of the reasons, quite simply, that OOF will never return to what it was 5 years ago, is the price of the cars.
Now this will probably offend someone, but it is my view.
When the cars were £8000 (as mine when I bought it 4 years ago) there was never any discussion about "chaving them up", or scrapping because a cam sensor had gone.... the members did everything to keep the cars on the road, and - to be perfectly honest - the members were of a "type" that, whilst not throwing money away, never did things "on the cheap".
It is now almost cheaper to buy one than to do a full service, brakes and a set of tyres... so a different "type" of person is buying them, joining the forum, and taking part in Gen Dis.... a KOS (military term) like me will never have the same viewpoint as a 20 year old .... in politics, interests, music, humour, and most importantly, how to converse with others.
What I think rude and objectionable is, to others, normal and acceptable, it is called change.... and it happens all the time... and is unstoppable.... probably IMHO unfortunately .. :(
Forums don't make people .. people make forums ... and the people will decide what they want, simply by either staying if they agree, or leaving if they don't. ... and the rules won't change that ... just look how many of OOF's present, very simple, rules are ignored .... by most .. :(
The thing is, Nige, is it worth getting upset, or even mildy bothered about. It is a forum for all and, as with most aspects of life, it will create friction between people. If I took any notice of what people said to me, on a day-to-day basis, then I would pack it all in.
I disagree with a lot of things that are said on here, but that's what it's all about.
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Before this weeks stupidity I actually thought OOF had "grown up" and was a nicer place to be, there was "less" agro and pointless posts.. and an awful lot less "ego masaging" but it looks like that is all returning.
Personally, what some folks seem to think is "banter" is actually just plain rudeness, after 38 years in the military I KNOW what banter is .. and a "masked swear word off" is not banter in any way, shape, or form.
One of the reasons, quite simply, that OOF will never return to what it was 5 years ago, is the price of the cars.
Now this will probably offend someone, but it is my view.
When the cars were £8000 (as mine when I bought it 4 years ago) there was never any discussion about "chaving them up", or scrapping because a cam sensor had gone.... the members did everything to keep the cars on the road, and - to be perfectly honest - the members were of a "type" that, whilst not throwing money away, never did things "on the cheap".
It is now almost cheaper to buy one than to do a full service, brakes and a set of tyres... so a different "type" of person is buying them, joining the forum, and taking part in Gen Dis.... a KOS (military term) like me will never have the same viewpoint as a 20 year old .... in politics, interests, music, humour, and most importantly, how to converse with others.
What I think rude and objectionable is, to others, normal and acceptable, it is called change.... and it happens all the time... and is unstoppable.... probably IMHO unfortunately .. :(
Forums don't make people .. people make forums ... and the people will decide what they want, simply by either staying if they agree, or leaving if they don't. ... and the rules won't change that ... just look how many of OOF's present, very simple, rules are ignored .... by most .. :(
The thing is, Nige, is it worth getting upset, or even mildy bothered about. It is a forum for all and, as with most aspects of life, it will create friction between people. If I took any notice of what people said to me, on a day-to-day basis, then I would pack it all in.
I disagree with a lot of things that are said on here, but that's what it's all about.
Nope .... I just find I have been posting less and less in Gen Chat over the last few months, and I "skip" far more threads than I used to .... so, overall, I am taking far less "part" in the forum, which is IMHO a shame - if others far more intelligent and vociferous than I are doing the same. :(
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Before this weeks stupidity I actually thought OOF had "grown up" and was a nicer place to be, there was "less" agro and pointless posts.. and an awful lot less "ego masaging" but it looks like that is all returning.
Personally, what some folks seem to think is "banter" is actually just plain rudeness, after 38 years in the military I KNOW what banter is .. and a "masked swear word off" is not banter in any way, shape, or form.
One of the reasons, quite simply, that OOF will never return to what it was 5 years ago, is the price of the cars.
Now this will probably offend someone, but it is my view.
When the cars were £8000 (as mine when I bought it 4 years ago) there was never any discussion about "chaving them up", or scrapping because a cam sensor had gone.... the members did everything to keep the cars on the road, and - to be perfectly honest - the members were of a "type" that, whilst not throwing money away, never did things "on the cheap".
It is now almost cheaper to buy one than to do a full service, brakes and a set of tyres... so a different "type" of person is buying them, joining the forum, and taking part in Gen Dis.... a KOS (military term) like me will never have the same viewpoint as a 20 year old .... in politics, interests, music, humour, and most importantly, how to converse with others.
What I think rude and objectionable is, to others, normal and acceptable, it is called change.... and it happens all the time... and is unstoppable.... probably IMHO unfortunately .. :(
Forums don't make people .. people make forums ... and the people will decide what they want, simply by either staying if they agree, or leaving if they don't. ... and the rules won't change that ... just look how many of OOF's present, very simple, rules are ignored .... by most .. :(
The thing is, Nige, is it worth getting upset, or even mildy bothered about. It is a forum for all and, as with most aspects of life, it will create friction between people. If I took any notice of what people said to me, on a day-to-day basis, then I would pack it all in.
I disagree with a lot of things that are said on here, but that's what it's all about.
Nope .... I just find I have been posting less and less in Gen Chat over the last few months, and I "skip" far more threads than I used to .... so, overall, I am taking far less "part" in the forum, which is IMHO a shame - if others far more intelligent and vociferous than I are doing the same. :(
Yes, I agree, but for the 'greater good', that's how it has to work.
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Sorry Entwood but that came across as pure snobbery and apologies if some here are not of your "type"
Nor do I recall any bleedin chavved up omegas present on the forum? ::)
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One mans banter is rude to someone else. It's all to do with how people read things which and things that are read can be taken totally out of context as you can't hear the sarcasm, or see a sarcastic facial expression through a computer. OOF has changed, and yes it has become much more 'PC' as it were, because of the amount of people taking part in the discussions. It worked before because there wasn't as many people on here, and the people that were on here, understood that not a single sole on here would say anything to offend anyone purposefully.
As said though with more and more people joining, you're going to lose that and it's simple, because everyone thinks differently, it just so happened that before, we had so many people that thought along the same lines and if something did offend them, they just let it be and ignored the post/thread. That doesn't happen on here now, you have to watch what you say. As someone said on here earlier though it has to be like that for 'the greater good'.
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One mans banter is rude to someone else. It's all to do with how people read things which and things that are read can be taken totally out of context as you can't hear the sarcasm, or see a sarcastic facial expression through a computer. OOF has changed, and yes it has become much more 'PC' as it were, because of the amount of people taking part in the discussions. It worked before because there wasn't as many people on here, and the people that were on here, understood that not a single sole on here would say anything to offend anyone purposefully.
As said though with more and more people joining, you're going to lose that and it's simple, because everyone thinks differently, it just so happened that before, we had so many people that thought along the same lines and if something did offend them, they just let it be and ignored the post/thread. That doesn't happen on here now, you have to watch what you say. As someone said on here earlier though it has to be like that for 'the greater good'.
Yer what, Del? ;D
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...not a single sole on here would say anything to offend anyone purposefully.
There's something fishy about that comment.
;D ;) ;) ;)
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...not a single sole on here would say anything to offend anyone purposefully.
There's something fishy about that comment.
;D ;) ;) ;)
Well apart from that Steve fella ;)
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From reading this page virtually every day I have seen that the vast majority of posters have moaned about something at some point. Some of them are exceptionally regular posters with very high scores too! There is no-one on this earth who has not moaned about something and in my opinion to have to have a certain number of post is ridiculous and uneccessary. Everyone has their own point of view and even the newbies should not be restricted just because they are newbies. That is the worst kind of discrimination because until they have posted no-one can possibly know what they will post. Having to have 250 or whatever posts to be able to will not alter the fact that even after they have achieved the magic number their first post still might well be a moan!
Seems to be far too many who would be the boss and think that only they should have a viewpoint or moan......Sad but it looks like its the truth.
To have the 250 restriction for selling is valid and stops it being used by anyone to just sell after joining and not become a long term contributing member.
If this post causes offence then I am sorry, but it is my viewpoint and I stand by it. I still get a good laugh from the moans anyway because some of them are really pitiful, pity others cannot adopt the same attitude. ;D ;D
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From reading this page virtually every day I have seen that the vast majority of posters have moaned about something at some point. Some of them are exceptionally regular posters with very high scores too! There is no-one on this earth who has not moaned about something and in my opinion to have to have a certain number of post is ridiculous and uneccessary. Everyone has their own point of view and even the newbies should not be restricted just because they are newbies. That is the worst kind of discrimination because until they have posted no-one can possibly know what they will post. Having to have 250 or whatever posts to be able to will not alter the fact that even after they have achieved the magic number their first post still might well be a moan!
Seems to be far too many who would be the boss and think that only they should have a viewpoint or moan......Sad but it looks like its the truth.
To have the 250 restriction for selling is valid and stops it being used by anyone to just sell after joining and not become a long term contributing member.
If this post causes offence then I am sorry, but it is my viewpoint and I stand by it. I still get a good laugh from the moans anyway because some of them are really pitiful, pity others cannot adopt the same attitude. ;D ;D
Well said :y :y
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From reading this page virtually every day I have seen that the vast majority of posters have moaned about something at some point. Some of them are exceptionally regular posters with very high scores too! There is no-one on this earth who has not moaned about something and in my opinion to have to have a certain number of post is ridiculous and uneccessary. Everyone has their own point of view and even the newbies should not be restricted just because they are newbies. That is the worst kind of discrimination because until they have posted no-one can possibly know what they will post. Having to have 250 or whatever posts to be able to will not alter the fact that even after they have achieved the magic number their first post still might well be a moan!
Seems to be far too many who would be the boss and think that only they should have a viewpoint or moan......Sad but it looks like its the truth.
To have the 250 restriction for selling is valid and stops it being used by anyone to just sell after joining and not become a long term contributing member.
If this post causes offence then I am sorry, but it is my viewpoint and I stand by it. I still get a good laugh from the moans anyway because some of them are really pitiful, pity others cannot adopt the same attitude. ;D ;D
good job you have enough posts to moan then Bio ;D ;)
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Having read again all of these pages it seems for me that if there is any problem it's that only for "old rajas" ( how we say hereby ) but not for relatively newbies. I say "relatively new" cos it's hard deciding whether who new member : somebody who has not too many posts or somebody who registered not too long ago. Anyway even more section might have been being created that could be read by anybody but posting would be limited for some reasons. Not in connection with it but I must admit looking back to my activeness on the Forum my own person is not too useful being my car is really good condition and I could post not too many to the help section neither ask nor support...I say it cos it also can be a point of view : who gives help , who posting mostly pointless stuffs. Even one view came to my mind : the member's age and here I must mention Entwood's opinion who's right when talks about generational differences. I'm 40yrs old and often nor do I understand the younger as we don't have a common theme, different views we have, unfortunately they speak unknown language either Hun or English no matter. That's why I say that if here were more than two category (+ - 250 posts) included the views above too I'm sure it would be really beneficial for all of the members. Good luck mates! Laszlo
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;) ;D Can't beat a good moan - ask my missus cos she is expert at it............ :-\
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Oddly, this isn't the only forum that seems to be suffering a little....
I use a social networking, nightclub/event site that's been going far longer than facebook, but in the last year is down to a 3rd of it's post count from 4 years ago. I also use a tech forum that in the last 6 months has had only 27 posts (& 5 of those were me), whereas it used to take me 2 hours twice a week to read everything.
Now I know that facebook is still the "current thing" (can't even remember my myspace password!), but I thought oof-type forums would be less subject to fads, as they are more specialist, but my tech forum appears to prove that this is not the case.
I wasn't here before the gendis separation, and to be honest I very rarely read it as I'm here to offer advice (a little), & gain advice (a lot (and thank you all again :y)), as time just doesn't permit it. I use facebook for humour, general p*sstaking, and some work stuff- although that side of it is private groups that are invite only, as it allows us to discuss things without "bosses" being aware......I was once sacked for a facebook comment ::)
I would've thought that the separation was a bad thing, but if it was turning into offensive stuff that wasn't getting modded effectively to stop it (I would guess because no-one mods 24/7) then I can see why.
I have enjoyed banter with a number of oofers, and really hope to continue to, that being said it is very hard to offend me as I don't take myself too seriously. Fat, nearly 40, no oil painting, divorced, skint & driving an omega, how can I? ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
I do think there are too many forums/social network sites around nowadays, and I sincerely hope that some of the things I've read tonight don't lead to a split off, or any more falling out than has happened already. As pointed out earlier, the number of migs on the road is falling (I'm responsible for 2 of them :-[), so maybe that's behind the slump, but there's at least one person here that no longer has one, & that hasn't stopped him joining in.......and Dave DND has never had one, & he's always good for a debate!!!
So, I've not got the highest post count, have only been to one meet (although will be attending Essex at Easter), am not the most knowledgeable (by a long shot), & have met very few members but I like it here, and long may it continue!!
Night y'all
Much love
xxx
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I think everyone has to vent now and again and tell the odd joke be it funny or not, I mean lets face it pubs are closing down up and down the country and as those were the usual place we would all meet and tell bad jokes and talk about our bad day or current affairs.
It now seems the forums have become the place for this cause we can get some beer tins from the store and sit in the comfort of our own home and waffle away to our hearts content.
Lets not loose freedom of speech however I for one draw the line at racisim its a no no evey man woman and child no matter the colour of their skin are and should always be seen equal. And I am married to a lovely filipina who's job is of a very high position she is the principal bread winner in the house and she works damn hard too.