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[Lizzie_Zoom]

At the risk of much abuse. We must remeber that europe is now being run by the grandchildren of the nazis. These people where never taught about what really happened. They where taught only the "good" bits.

Sorry, but you are wide off the mark there and to many in Europe your comment would be very offensive.

The people "running" Europe now remember only too well from their parents and grandparents (if they survived the war!!) how their countries were invaded, their people abused and often rounded up and killed by the Nazi menace. Their countries and their people were bombed, shelled and shot at by all sides during the war, and they had the distress of seeing loved ones blown to bits or taken off to a concentration camp.  The children of those times and thereafter are well aware of that misery, including millions of German's who vow that it must never happen again in their name; who question how their parents went along with it, and how they watched as fellow countrymen, women and children were rounded up and disappeared.

Europe is probably more aware of the Nazis destructive powers during WW2 than our own kids, due to Europe actually suffering the most.  To accuse the leaders of the EU of not being educated in those facts is a statement way too far.

They really question it. That is not the experience I have had with young Germans and Austrians. The only person I know that seems to be quite switched on to it is 30ish year old Russian woman.
Where I work brings me into contact with some of europes brightest people. And I spend about a week with them at a time, and sometimes this can be for 5 to 6 weeks per year. We obviously have many conversations on many subjects.

In my experience they do not question and they do not know what happened then. If I am wrong I apologise. But I will put a pound to a penny I work with more young europeans than most people on here. In just this year I have worked with a Russian, a Frenchman and a Dutchman, this year is what, 3 weeks old ? 

 I will not say anymore on this subject.

Your experience is obviously different.  However, over many years I have met Germans who do ask those questions and hate anything to do with the Nazis.  Their country even bans any Nazi image.

Young Europeans I have met at university have been very aware of the past and the German's affect on it.  They have quoted to me that their parents hated the Germans for what they did, and those students from Eastern Europe, the ex-Soviet countries, feel likewise as they are only too aware of the history. 

As you say though no more to be said.  The problem now is for Britain to exit the EU or change it's workings fundamentally, which has nothing to do with the Nazis!

[OOMV6]

At the risk of much abuse. We must remeber that europe is now being run by the grandchildren of the nazis. These people where never taught about what really happened. They where taught only the "good" bits.

Sorry, but you are wide off the mark there and to many in Europe your comment would be very offensive.

The people "running" Europe now remember only too well from their parents and grandparents (if they survived the war!!) how their countries were invaded, their people abused and often rounded up and killed by the Nazi menace. Their countries and their people were bombed, shelled and shot at by all sides during the war, and they had the distress of seeing loved ones blown to bits or taken off to a concentration camp.  The children of those times and thereafter are well aware of that misery, including millions of German's who vow that it must never happen again in their name; who question how their parents went along with it, and how they watched as fellow countrymen, women and children were rounded up and disappeared.

Europe is probably more aware of the Nazis destructive powers during WW2 than our own kids, due to Europe actually suffering the most.  To accuse the leaders of the EU of not being educated in those facts is a statement way too far.

They really question it. That is not the experience I have had with young Germans and Austrians. The only person I know that seems to be quite switched on to it is 30ish year old Russian woman.
Where I work brings me into contact with some of europes brightest people. And I spend about a week with them at a time, and sometimes this can be for 5 to 6 weeks per year. We obviously have many conversations on many subjects.

In my experience they do not question and they do not know what happened then. If I am wrong I apologise. But I will put a pound to a penny I work with more young europeans than most people on here. In just this year I have worked with a Russian, a Frenchman and a Dutchman, this year is what, 3 weeks old ? 

 I will not say anymore on this subject.

You probably do. Maybe should have stated all this, prior to what seemed like a rather rash statement.
And it is interesting getting others' point of view. I live in what is probably one of the most cosmopolitan areas in Europe, and can be very entertaining to hear the comments by all the different people on different subjects.

[Varche]

I talk to the Spanish about things like WW2 (mostly they know very little about it) I suspect the Portuguese are very similar. For example they know nothing about Britain being blockaded and having to modernise their agriculture or starve. Or having to buy tractors etc from the Yanks and then pay for them for years and years (unlike some European countries that got loads of aid). Britain even paid for rebuilding Belgium and in return got cabbages (which we apparently tipped into the Horth Sea rather than seem ungrateful as we had plenty).
Large numbers of the other countries in the EU either were uninvolved and therefore probably disinterested or under Soviet rule and anything is now better than that.
I would wager by the same token that not many countries know or understand the pain that the Spanish went through with their very recent civil war. Guernica? Sadly this is all part of the modern world.

On a more individual note we had the dubious pleasure of a 38 year old drop by traveller. He claimed to be an invalided out of the German SAS and was trying to canoe 250 miles along the rivers and reservoirs to reach the sea, sleeping rough each night. He had capsized and punctured his canoa(which turned out to be not much more than a kids inflatable raft )and most of his possessions were wet. We did the decent thing and let him have a shower, washed his clothes and fed him well. Among the topics we discussed were the EU. His view was that we were all just a drain on Germany. When he proudly said his Dad was a Nazi, I was so glad to see the back of him when I dropped him off 50 miles away from our house to help him on his way. 

I repeat that what the British need is factual info on the EU (good and bad), benefits and drawbacks. I can't see us getting that anymore than their being an in out referendum. 

[OOMV6]

I talk to the Spanish about things like WW2 (mostly they know very little about it) I suspect the Portuguese are very similar. For example they know nothing about Britain being blockaded and having to modernise their agriculture or starve. Or having to buy tractors etc from the Yanks and then pay for them for years and years (unlike some European countries that got loads of aid). Britain even paid for rebuilding Belgium and in return got cabbages (which we apparently tipped into the Horth Sea rather than seem ungrateful as we had plenty).
Large numbers of the other countries in the EU either were uninvolved and therefore probably disinterested or under Soviet rule and anything is now better than that.
I would wager by the same token that not many countries know or understand the pain that the Spanish went through with their very recent civil war. Guernica? Sadly this is all part of the modern world.

On a more individual note we had the dubious pleasure of a 38 year old drop by traveller. He claimed to be an invalided out of the German SAS and was trying to canoe 250 miles along the rivers and reservoirs to reach the sea, sleeping rough each night. He had capsized and punctured his canoa(which turned out to be not much more than a kids inflatable raft )and most of his possessions were wet. We did the decent thing and let him have a shower, washed his clothes and fed him well. Among the topics we discussed were the EU. His view was that we were all just a drain on Germany. When he proudly said his Dad was a Nazi, I was so glad to see the back of him when I dropped him off 50 miles away from our house to help him on his way. 

I repeat that what the British need is factual info on the EU (good and bad), benefits and drawbacks. I can't see us getting that anymore than their being an in out referendum.

A point well made