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[JamesV6CDX]

NO sympathy for anyone going prepared to commit a crime   They must be well aware of the risk that they`re taking.

From someone who (until my crash) fought crime on a daily basis, and will hopefully do so again very soon -

Yes, shoplifters are aware of the risks they are taking, and the consequences. Those risks are, arrest, inconvenience, and action by the courts.

A shoplifter cannot reasonably expect the consequences of nicking some booze, to be bleeding to death.

I am not defending their actions at all. Not one bit. But I dispute that anyone "deserves" to bleed out, in a slow and painful death, for nicking a bottle of plonk.

Let's have some proportionality, and not be Judge and Jury in a vigilante court 

Wise words indeed young man, unfortunately in these days where everything must happen instantly, and if its on "social media" it MUST be right, very likely to be disregarded or ignored ... 

Time passes us by all too quickly. It feels like yesterday I was a hot headed 22 year old on here. I am now nearly mid 30s, and  in comparison, maybe partially through work, have a much more balanced view on the world 

[78bex]

NO sympathy for anyone going prepared to commit a crime   They must be well aware of the risk that they`re taking.

From someone who (until my crash) fought crime on a daily basis, and will hopefully do so again very soon -

Yes, shoplifters are aware of the risks they are taking, and the consequences. Those risks are, arrest, inconvenience, and action by the courts.

A shoplifter cannot reasonably expect the consequences of nicking some booze, to be bleeding to death.

I am not defending their actions at all. Not one bit. But I dispute that anyone "deserves" to bleed out, in a slow and painful death, for nicking a bottle of plonk.

Let's have some proportionality, and not be Judge and Jury in a vigilante court 

Wise words indeed I didn`t realise it came across like that
I`m thinking now maybe the victims nearest & dearest can claim some compo out of this

[TheBoy]

But I dispute that anyone "deserves" to bleed out, in a slow and painful death, for nicking a bottle of plonk.

I disagree.

If somebody is knowingly and willingly taking things that belong to other people, be that a business or and individual, they have no right to live in a modern, civilised society.

Sadly, as the deterrents are a joke, and the justice system simply doesn't work, I am glad this little shit will not be offending again.


I should add, as I've said several times on here, I have nothing but the utmost respect for the rank-and-file Police, doing a near impossible job under difficult conditions.  My (limited) dealings with the judiciary, however, self righteous, inefficient, stuck up pricks.

[TheBoy]

Time passes us by all too quickly. It feels like yesterday I was a hot headed 22 year old on here. I am now nearly mid 30s, and  in comparison, maybe partially through work, have a much more balanced view on the world 

Yer maths is to cock JV6CDX, we've only been on just over 10yrs

I assumed you meant the "other place"

[Sir Tigger KC]

NO sympathy for anyone going prepared to commit a crime   They must be well aware of the risk that they`re taking.

From someone who (until my crash) fought crime on a daily basis, and will hopefully do so again very soon -

Yes, shoplifters are aware of the risks they are taking, and the consequences. Those risks are, arrest, inconvenience, and action by the courts.

A shoplifter cannot reasonably expect the consequences of nicking some booze, to be bleeding to death.

I am not defending their actions at all. Not one bit. But I dispute that anyone "deserves" to bleed out, in a slow and painful death, for nicking a bottle of plonk.

Let's have some proportionality, and not be Judge and Jury in a vigilante court 

Wise words indeed I didn`t realise it came across like that
I`m thinking now maybe the victims nearest & dearest can claim some compo out of this

Who do you think the victim is?  The 'Security Guard' or the thief? 

I don't think it matters at all whether the Security Guard was employed or just a concerned member of the public.  The test for me is that when he tackled the thief, could he have thought that his actions could have led to the thief's death?  Unless he is some sort of raboid nutter, then I doubt this and it's just a case of someone trying to do the right thing, with unintended consequences. 

The bottom line is that if had the thief not been out on the rob, then he'd be alive today.   

Should the thief's nearest and dearest get compo? Absolutely not IMO! 

[2boxerdogs]

Glad that all of us more or less agree, hate the culture that thinks they can just take what is not theirs, either from shops or private dwellings more annoying is that these types think the honest working man/woman are the idiots.

[Mr Gav]

NO sympathy for anyone going prepared to commit a crime   They must be well aware of the risk that they`re taking.

From someone who (until my crash) fought crime on a daily basis, and will hopefully do so again very soon -

Yes, shoplifters are aware of the risks they are taking, and the consequences. Those risks are, arrest, inconvenience, and action by the courts.

A shoplifter cannot reasonably expect the consequences of nicking some booze, to be bleeding to death.

I am not defending their actions at all. Not one bit. But I dispute that anyone "deserves" to bleed out, in a slow and painful death, for nicking a bottle of plonk.

Let's have some proportionality, and not be Judge and Jury in a vigilante court 

Should have thought his Risk Assessment through properly 

[Entwood]

I see the family are now saying he .....

" was a much-loved son, brother and grandson." "He will be sadly missed," they said.

so .. why then was he living rough, and having to shoplift to survive they didn't seem to "love" him much while he was alive ..... or is that a question that should not be asked ??

[Sir Tigger KC]

I see the family are now saying he .....

" was a much-loved son, brother and grandson." "He will be sadly missed," they said.

so .. why then was he living rough, and having to shoplift to survive they didn't seem to "love" him much while he was alive ..... or is that a question that should not be asked ?

We can and should ask the question.  I suspect however that there is a one word answer........  Heroin.