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[amazonian]

A security guard has been arrested on suspicion of manslaughter after an alleged shoplifter he tackled bled to death when bottles he was carrying smashed.

The 30-year-old suffered a cardiac arrest in the altercation in The Shires car park in Trowbridge on Thursday afternoon.

He was treated by paramedics but died at the scene, police said.

The 20-year-old security guard, from Trowbridge, was arrested shortly after.

Det Ch Insp Jeremy Carter said: "He tackled the suspected shoplifter causing a number of glass bottles he was concealing to smash.

"He suffered significant bleeding from which he died."
Image caption Police were called to the Shires Shopping Centre car park in Trowbridge on Thursday afternoon

He said the victim, who was thought to be from the Cornwall area, was suspected of committing a number of shoplifting offences in the town and there had been "various episodes involving this individual and security staff from surrounding stores during the day".

"We need to understand whether or not the force being used was proportionate to the circumstances that unravelled during the course of the day," added Mr Carter.

"Formal identification is yet to be carried out and a post mortem is due to be carried out later today [Friday]."

An Asda spokesman told BBC News its security staff were not involved.


Is it just me, or....  

[2boxerdogs]

Yes ,the world has gone mad.

[Entwood]

Given the legal definition of involuntary manslaughter .....

"Involuntary manslaughter is in contrast to voluntary manslaughter and occurs where a person kills, but does so without the intent to kill or cause GBH. Apart from the absence of the requisite intent, all other elements of the offence are the same as for murder.

There are two types of involuntary manslaughter, namely:

that caused by the defendant's gross negligence; and
that caused by his unlawful or dangerous act."

it is hardly surprising that his actions are being checked .... was the manner in which he "tackled" the victim negligent, unlawful or dangerous ?? if the answer to any one of those three is yes then it is manslaughter. If the answer to all three is no then he will not be charged and will be "de-arrested"

simple really, and the totally correct procedure as I understand it.

http://www.cps.gov.uk/legal/h_to_k/homicide_murder_and_manslaughter/#involuntary

[powerslinky]

Next weeks ad in the Jobcentre :  Vacancy for Security Guard . .  must be willing to let any low life shoplifter steal what ever they want  . . .  if you are not happy with this & want  chase after them, which is   sorry,   was part of a security guards job, & they fall over , cutting themselves & bleeding to death on the glass bottles of probably vodka, scotch, brandy or gin , which they had stashed up their coat, be prepared to face a manslaughter charge.   Good money though  £7.00 per hour   

What is going on  in this country ?

[X30XE]

If anybody want's any apple merch just walk into the Apple Store in The Centre MK and take it off the shelf and walk out. 

The same scumbag addict goes there regularly and does just this. Me and my colleague have caught him twice doing this and the security guards refuse to do anything about it. Maybe this security guard should have taken a leaf out of their book and then he wouldn't be a police cell. 

[JamesV6CDX]

There have to be two elements for lawfully arresting someone, and taking away their liberty

1) Suspicion, that an offence may have taken place. (note, suspicion is a very low level thing, there is no requirement for a belief that an offence has occurred.

2) Belief that the arrest is necessary (As opposed to dealing it with other means, such as voluntary interview). This is referred to in policing as the "necessity test" and at least one of a few criteria have to be met, for example
- protecting a child or vulnerable person
- preventing harm or injury
- preventing loss or damage to property
- because it would make the investigation prompt and effective, for example, if the suspect needs to be secured there and then to preserve forensic evidence...
and so on.

In these circumstances, someone has died. Ok they might be a shoplifter - but, someone dying during a physical altercation, is a serious matter, criminal or otherwise. Therefore, the other party in the struggle (in this case the security guard) will have been arrested on "suspicion" of the killing (eg, there is some chance he may have caused it by using disproportional force) etc - and the necessity test will be met because they will need to preserve evidence.

Someone being arrested on suspicion, does not mean the police believe the person is guilty. Arrest is simply a process which sometimes needs to be used as part of an investigation (an investigation which may well go on to clear the guard of any wrongdoing)

Remember that when someone is arrested, police officers are an impartial body and are compelled to investigate in an unbiased manner - this means they are obliged to pursue all lines of enquiry that may point to someones innocence, as well as their guilt

[Ever Ready]

Another thieving toe rag gone.

My heart bleeds

[Doctor Gollum]

Another thieving toe rag gone.

My heart bleeds

So did his...







Too soon?

[Ever Ready]

Not at all old boy

[2boxerdogs]

One less piece of scum , good riddance.

[Entwood]

Latest update, according to the local papers ..

http://www.wiltshiretimes.co.uk/news/15082304.Update__Wiltshire_DCI_gives_press_conference_on_man_s_death_outside_Asda/

1) The security guard has been released on police bail

2) The security guard did NOT work for The Shires - The Shopping Centre where the incident occurred

3) The security guard did NOT work for ASDA

So, who did he work for, and why was he even involved are a couple of questions that probably need addressing, even before his physical actions are considered....

[JamesV6CDX]

You will clearly be more than aware of this Nige, so this isn't intended for you - but others may not.

Regardless of the security guards job (take that out of it if you like) - ANY person has a common law power of arrest, if they see an offence which is indictable (crown court only can sentence) or "either way" (Magistrates or crown court can sentence) offence taking place.

Theft falls into the "either way" category. So providing the security guard can show A) he KNEW without doubt this was happening at the time (A constable can arrest on suspicion, but a member of the public has to have firm belief) - and, the force he used was reasonable - he can legally detain someone until police arrival, using his "any person" powers, and "reasonable force" if necessary.

The question here, IMHO is whether or not he went above and beyond reasonable force. And the bottom line is, we won't know this until the outcome of the investigation

I don't have any knowledge of this incident and don't really have an opinion, just trying to add some balance

[78bex]

I feel for the guy now under suspision of contributing to someones death. 

After any investigation I`m assuming that he will be shaken by the hand & given a big fat reward to cover any grief & distress he may have suffered 

NO sympathy for anyone going prepared to commit a crime   They must be well aware of the risk that they`re taking.
 

[JamesV6CDX]

NO sympathy for anyone going prepared to commit a crime   They must be well aware of the risk that they`re taking.

From someone who (until my crash) fought crime on a daily basis, and will hopefully do so again very soon -

Yes, shoplifters are aware of the risks they are taking, and the consequences. Those risks are, arrest, inconvenience, and action by the courts.

A shoplifter cannot reasonably expect the consequences of nicking some booze, to be bleeding to death.

I am not defending their actions at all. Not one bit. But I dispute that anyone "deserves" to bleed out, in a slow and painful death, for nicking a bottle of plonk.

Let's have some proportionality, and not be Judge and Jury in a vigilante court 

[Entwood]

NO sympathy for anyone going prepared to commit a crime   They must be well aware of the risk that they`re taking.

From someone who (until my crash) fought crime on a daily basis, and will hopefully do so again very soon -

Yes, shoplifters are aware of the risks they are taking, and the consequences. Those risks are, arrest, inconvenience, and action by the courts.

A shoplifter cannot reasonably expect the consequences of nicking some booze, to be bleeding to death.

I am not defending their actions at all. Not one bit. But I dispute that anyone "deserves" to bleed out, in a slow and painful death, for nicking a bottle of plonk.

Let's have some proportionality, and not be Judge and Jury in a vigilante court 

Wise words indeed young man, unfortunately in these days where everything must happen instantly, and if its on "social media" it MUST be right, very likely to be disregarded or ignored ...