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[Kevin Wood]

At MOT they just measure the mixture of gases coming out of the exhaust (and not CO2 anyway). It's the volume of gases that makes a difference.

They measure this at type approval by collecting everything that comes out of the exhaust pipe during a simulated drive on a rolling road and analysing it.

Kevin

[Paul M]

I do rather like how I can tax my 4.4 that does 18 MPG on a good day for £180, whereas anything post-2001 that has enough power to pull its own weight costs £200+ to tax

Moral is: Don't buy a post-2001 car, and certainly don't buy a post-2006

[Danny]

Figured i needed to look at this thread, as i was confused as to how much my car tax should be, and had a look at what many of you have said you've paid

My elite is a 3.0, and was registered at least march 2001, as it's on a Y plate, but my tax was only £205, not £225, have i missed something?

[waspy]

road tax rises only affect cars registered 2001 and after.

But aint it for 4x4s only :question :question

Its based on engine cc.

£205 a year for my 2.2 DTi.
I think you'll find it goes on Co2 emissions

[theowletman]

As part of the last budget, cars registered after 03/06 were put into a new and higher bracket, £300 a year. It was stated at the time that this would increase to £400 in the near future. This applies to the emission ( CO2 ) figure and not engine size. Not just 4x4s are affected it will be basically anything that J. Clarkson likes driving. Some old fashioned 8v engines in Protons, Hyundais etc are already paying £112.75 for 6 months as the engines spew out lots of whatever it is. We have an 03 Mini Cooper S supercharged which is £205 a year. I wonder when they will get round to taxing cyclists on how much they sweat which is equally as unpleasant as having the choke pulled out on a Ford Anglia. We can be sure of one thing, it will never go down, the real polluters, tens of millions of old cars in asia and china are getting off scot free. as well as the yank tanks which they can't drive.Did you know that any product imported into china, i.e. a car, is subject to a massive import tax to protect the chinese manufacturing industry, but we let their crap in for nowt?
I didn't vote for Gordon, but then again nobody in England did. The jocks are lumbered with him as an MP, we have no say in the Scottish parliament, yet they are ruining ours, yes that is correct RUINING, not running. Right I'm putting the soap box away now.

[Ken T]

As part of the last budget, cars registered after 03/06 were put into a new and higher bracket, £300 a year. It was stated at the time that this would increase to £400 in the near future. This applies to the emission ( CO2 ) figure and not engine size. Not just 4x4s are affected it will be basically anything that J. Clarkson likes driving. Some old fashioned 8v engines in Protons, Hyundais etc are already paying £112.75 for 6 months as the engines spew out lots of whatever it is. We have an 03 Mini Cooper S supercharged which is £205 a year. I wonder when they will get round to taxing cyclists on how much they sweat which is equally as unpleasant as having the choke pulled out on a Ford Anglia. We can be sure of one thing, it will never go down, the real polluters, tens of millions of old cars in asia and china are getting off scot free. as well as the yank tanks which they can't drive.Did you know that any product imported into china, i.e. a car, is subject to a massive import tax to protect the chinese manufacturing industry, but we let their crap in for nowt?
I didn't vote for Gordon, but then again nobody in England did. The jocks are lumbered with him as an MP, we have no say in the Scottish parliament, yet they are ruining ours, yes that is correct RUINING, not running. Right I'm putting the soap box away now.

Now hang on, you can't blame Gorden for ruining anything. He hasn't done anything yet, oops gave the game away.........

Ever remember a song about  "the lunatics have taken over the asylum"

I think the whole thing is heading for a bad time. I am having a hard time getting the revenue to pay moneys owed from several years ago, they keep changing the person who deals with my letter, and as far as banks, well the "listening bank" with all the Business account managers, what a load of crap, they keep their phones turned off, so you can't speak to them, and as far as getting a short term (2 weeks) overdraft, if you don't opt for the repayment insurance, your request will be refused. I get the impression if they don't earn enough from a deal, they will refuse it.

I wonder how much CO2 your car produces if it runs on LPG ?. Possibly better than before?. Therefore if we convert to LPG, we should get a lower Road tax bill. Or are newer VX engines cleaner ?. If so, could we not "borrow" the technology to improve our engines, and thus get a lower emission rating ?. The newish Signum 2.2 use "direct Petrol Injection" (don't ours ?), and achieves 194g/km. Could we "borrow" the ECU and a few bits and reduce our emissions?.

Ken

[Kevin Wood]

LPG reduces CO2 by a small amount, and if you register the vehicle as dual fuel you can get 10 or 15 quid off the road tax I believe. Probably have to brave a VLO to do so, so take some Kendal mint cake for when  you are in the queue...

More to the point, the CO2 emissions from your car on LPG are in part just resulting from gas that would likely be flared at a refinery so the NET result of using it in a car is probably zero emissions. Too big a picture for a politician to see, sadly.

Direct petrol injection is injection of petrol directly into the cylinder in a similar way to a common rail diesel. Most fuel injected petrol engines inject into the inlet manifold or just behind the inlet valves (as in all petrol Omegas). They are more efficient but not very widespread at the moment.


Kevin

[Ken T]

That sounds quite like a direct LPG liquid injection system somebody is offering. I wonder if one could modify the VX fuel input to cope with LPG as against Petrol, a couple of solenoids , perhaps a bit of heating, like the current LPG vapourisers.

Too technical, need several beers to work out   TTFN

Cheers Ken

[theowletman]

So to sum it up then.................

Only vehicles that are affected by the car tax increase are those that are registared on or after March 2001?

Yes, but a new band came into force from 03/06 for  vehicles registered on or after that date with a CO2 figure of 285 or over.

[theowletman]

LPG reduces CO2 by a small amount, and if you register the vehicle as dual fuel you can get 10 or 15 quid off the road tax I believe. Probably have to brave a VLO to do so, so take some Kendal mint cake for when  you are in the queue...

More to the point, the CO2 emissions from your car on LPG are in part just resulting from gas that would likely be flared at a refinery so the NET result of using it in a car is probably zero emissions. Too big a picture for a politician to see, sadly.
Totally agree. There was a government scheme called powershift which gave back some of the cost of converting to LPG. As usual it was done ar$e first. The grant was 80% of the cost for a 1.0 Micra and nothing for cars over 1800cc!!!! Dont these numptys realise that it is the bigger engined cars which need converting not tiny cars like Micras which are already fuel efficient. Never expect any government to do anything which will benefit the motorist  We need a civil uprising to make them realise that the well is dry, we already pay too much. The UK only causes 2% of the worlds CO2, other countries cause much more yet their fuel is cheap.

Direct petrol injection is injection of petrol directly into the cylinder in a similar way to a common rail diesel. Most fuel injected petrol engines inject into the inlet manifold or just behind the inlet valves (as in all petrol Omegas). They are more efficient but not very widespread at the moment.


Kevin

[Kevin Wood]

That sounds quite like a direct LPG liquid injection system somebody is offering. I wonder if one could modify the VX fuel input to cope with LPG as against Petrol, a couple of solenoids , perhaps a bit of heating, like the current LPG vapourisers.

That's something I would like to play with one day. If you inject as a liquid you lose No power over petrol and the better properties of the fuel actually allow you to gain some.

Problem is, on the vehicle I have in mind, there's precious little space for an LPG tank. :-/ It would certainly have to be one fuel or the other.

As usual it was done ar$e first. The grant was 80% of the cost for a 1.0 Micra and nothing for cars over 1800cc!!!! Dont these numptys realise that it is the bigger engined cars which need converting not tiny cars like Micras which are already fuel efficient.

Problem is, in their eyes, the unwashed like us should accept a Micra and be happy with it. They'll still be swanning around in Jags at our expense though.

The UK only causes 2% of the worlds CO2, other countries cause much more yet their fuel is cheap

This is it. If we cut CO₂ unilaterally, we achieve nothing other than make ourselves less productive and drive more industry to China, India, etc..

Kevin

[theowletman]

Sorry Kevin, my laptop ran out of electricity halfway through my post, it has become entangled with yours.
Does any manufacturer make a car which only uses LPG, like a forklift does ?

[Albatross]

So what's a year worth of road tax going to cost for a 2001 'Y' plate Omega Elite 3.2 then?

[Entwood]

£205 if first registered AFTER 1st March 2001

£180 if first registered BEFORE 1st March 2001

http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/Motoring/OwningAVehicle/HowToTaxYourVehicle/DG_10012524