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[albitz]

Earnt & deserved is purely subjective.If you work for a company which makes a profit and you can quantify how much of that profit you generated, then you can demonstrate exactly how much you have earned and what you deserve.
In your position you obviously cant do that, so its purely your own opinion.
And the world is not so simple a place that have & have nots are decided purely by making the right or wrong decisions.

[2boxerdogs]

Tried working for a couple of companies both making vast profits at the time ,  did not like the way they treated customers or staff , so looked elsewhere because i knew i could do better. Hence my outlook on life & because decision making is part of my day i adopted that strategy into my life but you have to be very disciplined for it to work something a lot of folks cannot do,. they let simple emotions take charge ie envy ,jealousy etc . I was trained by the best so perhaps that is why it worked for me.

[geoffr70]

The contribution rate for the scheme at my workplace is 11%.

.. which wouldn't get you a great pension in the real world private sector.

It would after 46 years thanks. As for your stupid comment on the 'real world', it's only now that the private sector has gone balls up that jealous ignorant attention turns to the public sector, like I said! It's the people who believe the tripe from successive governments and the media who should live in the real world and get their heads out of their arses. Look I can do a smiley face too 8-)

[2boxerdogs]

At last someone with a good comment !!

[Varche]

Earnt & deserved is purely subjective.If you work for a company which makes a profit and you can quantify how much of that profit you generated, then you can demonstrate exactly how much you have earned and what you deserve.
In your position you obviously cant do that, so its purely your own opinion.
And the world is not so simple a place that have & have nots are decided purely by making the right or wrong decisions.

Can't agree with you there. I won't use the word rubbish which I really wanted to!

People go to work to earn money/benefits/reward. It is a fact without it they would have to be on state handouts(another topic altogether)

Those people do what they are expected to do. Empty bins, gamble clients money on stocks, make people well, put out fires and so on. If they are not doing a good job then they have line management and ultimately the boss to answer to. Fact. Now if the line management aren't doing a good job that is a different matter.

The other comment I would make is the silence of the majority on this and other subjects. Statistically there must be a lot of people out there who sympathise with these peoples situation. As ever very few will make a comment because to do so will result in being flamed by the vocal right wing element.

I liked the comment someone made earlier that while the private sector (power house of the economy) had good times and were tucking away massive profits no one gave the public sector pensions etc a second thought. Now they can have a good old fashioned witch hunt. Are they trying to divert attention from the very folk who caused the current economic disaster( for that is what it is) with their cavalier attitude. Methinks they are. 

[2boxerdogs]

 :yAnd another one, human nature try & shift the blame elsewhere forget the fact that some of us may have put their lives on the line at sometime . Why should they be better off than us ?  Snatch their pensions off them that will solve everything  , I think not.

[Nickbat]

Earnt & deserved is purely subjective.If you work for a company which makes a profit and you can quantify how much of that profit you generated, then you can demonstrate exactly how much you have earned and what you deserve.
In your position you obviously cant do that, so its purely your own opinion.
And the world is not so simple a place that have & have nots are decided purely by making the right or wrong decisions.

I liked the comment someone made earlier that while the private sector (power house of the economy) had good times and were tucking away massive profits  

Huh? Do you think they were staching these profit away under their mattresses or something?

They paid corporation tax. Their workers paid tax and NI. A significant chunk of profit was doubtless invested in new machinery, new outlets and so on, thus providing employment to the many: form toolmakers to shopfitters.

Without the income generated by the private sector, the government could not pay the public sector a penny. Where do you think the government gets its income from? 

All that is being discussed is the fact that the public sector must bear its share of the financial burden arising from the current economic situation. We're all in it together.    

 

[albitz]

Tilbo/varche/geoff. Try reading back cthrough the whole thread and digesting what has been said in an objective,dispassionate way.
None of you have put up a single argument against the viewpoints which have been made - we could argue all day long about why the country is skint, but the simple fact is that it is skint - so, I ask again - wheres the money going to come from ?

[Paddy Flannery]

Excess were on inside of both front tyres ................ do you think my wishbone bushes may be to blame ?? 

[Paddy Flannery]

Spell check .............. excess WEAR

[Kevin Wood]

Excess were on inside of both front tyres ................ do you think my wishbone bushes may be to blame ?? 

The answer's simple, then. Send the public sector over to Tony at WIM and he'll get it back into alignment.

 

[Nickbat]

Paddty,

Are you trying to say that the economy is like a front suspension, with the tyres representing the public and private sectors and the wishbone bushes being central government and quasi supranational institutions? It is an interesting analogy, though I think one needs to take into account toe & camber alignment, which could, I suppose, be interest rates & M2 money supply, respectively.   

[Varche]

Tilbo/varche/geoff. Try reading back cthrough the whole thread and digesting what has been said in an objective,dispassionate way.
None of you have put up a single argument against the viewpoints which have been made - we could argue all day long about why the country is skint, but the simple fact is that it is skint - so, I ask again - wheres the money going to come from ?

I thought I answered this much earlier on. Just to recap.

1. Yes there needs to be change but not at the proposed rate.
2. Funding could come from cutting down on waste. GB Plc is a billions a year prolific waster of public finances. MOD procurement for example. Someone said the "gap" is 4 billion a year- seems a lot. It isn't. The country can magic up vast amounts out of thin air for what I call daft projects (the 10 year war in Afghanistan unless we are there purely to show off our military wares for sale, aircraft carriers, bailing out euro zone countries - the list is very long)
3. The money. Where is it going to come from? Well the country made a commitment to pay(salary and benefits)to its public sector. The money will have to come out of the tax revenues that everyone (private or public)pays. Hard times for everyone (working) I am afraid.  Even harder times for the chancellor. Still no signs of all these jobs they were going to create(as I predicted there wouldn't be when the condems came to power). In a few months he will be presiding (floundering) over a double dip. Still he will be able to hide behind the bigger event of the coillapse of the euro.

[STMO123]

geoffr70 obviously does not believe anyone should be allowed their own opinion.
I wrote what I believe to be the truth and obviously many lies will be told to cover up the true facts of the Public Sector 'benefits' the general public will never be allowed to enjoy!
Consider this - Public Sector (servants as they were once called) are rel;ied upon to perform their tasks accurately and efficiently to benefit the public who have required their service for one reason or another. Logically therefore if they are so adamant that they serve the public well they should not be allowed to strike because all that happens is that they cause mayhem and yet more difficulties for others. Empathy? They do not know the meaning of the word, or symapathy comes to it. The only thing that concerns them is their own lifestyle and sod the rest. For many of them who constantly make mistakes even when provided with the correct, accurate and proven information the only penalty should be the sack! That applies to any and all Public Sector workers. Why is my wife paid less in the private sector than her equvalent in the public sector? Is there a valid reason? Of course not and thereby ends the tale......
Thankfully comments of the like he made are a very small minority of the responses and give a far more accurate picture of what is felt by the majority.
ALL pensions should be calculktaed using the same formulae and rules. We all work and pay taxes so there should marally be no difference in the pension scales and payments! That is I suppose too fair for them to accept though.
No apologies from me then! 

I'll bet they do know the meaning of empathy. As for symapathy....that's got me stumped as well as them. :-?