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[Lampynoiseboy]

Test in a few places round the country recently, underneath the actual Marble Arch in London, 4G USB dongle, speeds of 40mb are being reported.

Is this the end for cable? Why would you pay virgin/bt/anyone for service at home & a wifi router, when you have that speed on a stick anywhere?

Obviously usage limits are to be expected to keep speed up, but still, 40mb anywhere?? (unless you are TB in the back end of nowhere apparently)

Looking forward to a rollout....

[Kevin Wood]

Test in a few places round the country recently, underneath the actual Marble Arch in London, 4G USB dongle, speeds of 40mb are being reported.

Is this the end for cable? Why would you pay virgin/bt/anyone for service at home & a wifi router, when you have that speed on a stick anywhere?

Obviously usage limits are to be expected to keep speed up, but still, 40mb anywhere?? (unless you are TB in the back end of nowhere apparently)

Looking forward to a rollout....

Because it'll slow right down once you get a decent number of users on the network.

[Lampynoiseboy]

Granted, but they've been upping the capacity of gsm/3g as and when needed, so surely this would follow?

[Martian]

Granted, but they've been upping the capacity of gsm/3g as and when needed, so surely this would follow?

Speeds will also be dependant on signal strength as well as signal quality (just as standard Wi-Fi is now).

[ninjapirate]

cant get any signal here let alone ever getting 4G lol, wont ever replace proper broadband

[zirk]

As Kevin says hardly any users, doubt its fully 4G yet, more like 3.75G+, or HSPDA+ what ever there calling it these days, 4G in its proper format should be more stable in terms of speed.

3G when it arrived pretty much gave you what it said on the tin, 330k speed with 44k through put from memory, then came only 3.5G (HSDPA or variants), then the speed would go up and down like a Yo Yo.

Still all good fun, love to know what it will all be doing in 10 years time.

[Martian]

Just as it was with "Wireless N", 4G doesn't have a set standard at this moment in time.

[Varche]

IF they had the capacity which they won't have as soon as the network is loaded with users to pay for the massive licence fees in the auction, then 4G or 5G or 6 G would seem to be the Bees Knees. Why have anything else for communicating other than your own device?

How long before you have to carry your communicator with you at all times and it has to be on or you get fined (via your account of course)?

Isn't there also a problem with some TV users are going to lose their digital signal as 4G is rolled out. Fixing that is going to cost someone(the operators?) a pretty penny.

It will be like Spain where 3G - 5Gb per month is about £40 regardless of operator. 

[Rods2]

As an advance 1st world economy 4g should be available from 2014 in London and more widespread in the UK from 2015. 

Meanwhile in poor 2nd world country Ukraine, they have had Wimax in Kiev since 2010 and up to 1GB broadband and by the end of 2011 Wimax and high speed broadband had been installed in 133 towns and cities, with the aim of having most of the country covered by the end of 2013. 

This link is a real world Wimax test in Kiev in Sept 2010 on an English Expat forum.

http://www.expatua.com/forum/index.php?topic=6855.0

My interest is that when I move over there I need a decent Internet connection. At the moment in my wife's village it is 3g upload and satellite download, which is quite slow. Only the local town has broadband. 

[Lampynoiseboy]

To be honest, I don't get why they don't use more satellite based stuff. You'd get a much wider coverage than land cells, especially in the sticks, and it worked (still works??) for the Motorola Iridium satellite phone- even if it was a lump & very expensive to call.

Granted they are expensive to set up, rockets n stuff, but surely once they're up & running......?

I will be interested to see when 4G does start rolling out, Verizon have be trialling it with Blackberry in the U.S, with very good results iirc

[Mr Skrunts]

To be honest, I don't get why they don't use more satellite based stuff. You'd get a much wider coverage than land cells, especially in the sticks, and it worked (still works??) for the Motorola Iridium satellite phone- even if it was a lump & very expensive to call.

Granted they are expensive to set up, rockets n stuff, but surely once they're up & running......?

I will be interested to see when 4G does start rolling out, Verizon have be trialling it with Blackberry in the U.S, with very good results iirc

lol.  They are switching off analogue tv in favour of digital tv (satelite)  brilliant service till it rains, wonder how the country would cope if the same problem happended with thier internet.

[Varche]

To be honest, I don't get why they don't use more satellite based stuff. You'd get a much wider coverage than land cells, especially in the sticks, and it worked (still works??) for the Motorola Iridium satellite phone- even if it was a lump & very expensive to call.

Granted they are expensive to set up, rockets n stuff, but surely once they're up & running......?

I will be interested to see when 4G does start rolling out, Verizon have be trialling it with Blackberry in the U.S, with very good results iirc

Very big ping times due to huge distance signal travels .

[Marks DTM Calib]

A basic fact is that an rf based system is ALWAYS going to have significant bandwidth limitations and hence the max data stream that can be supported will always be compromised and dependent on number of users, signal state etc.

THE answer is a thin piece of glass to the home......

[Marks DTM Calib]

To be honest, I don't get why they don't use more satellite based stuff. You'd get a much wider coverage than land cells, especially in the sticks, and it worked (still works??) for the Motorola Iridium satellite phone- even if it was a lump & very expensive to call.

Granted they are expensive to set up, rockets n stuff, but surely once they're up & running......?

I will be interested to see when 4G does start rolling out, Verizon have be trialling it with Blackberry in the U.S, with very good results iirc

Very big ping times due to huge distance signal travels .

Yup, the days of satellite comms are fact dissappearing thanks to fibre optic cables under our sea's.....even the satellite earth station at Goonhilly carrys bugger all in the way of telecoms anymore.

If you consider that a single piece of fibre will carry a 40G signal with latest units also supporting 100G.....throw a photonics layer on top and you can multiply this by 32-40 times.......its a no brainer!

[cem_devecioglu]

I tested my mobile against  3G+ and wifi via home .. home connection 6 mbit and 3G+ is like a turtle compared to home speed..