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[cem_devecioglu]

 
 
Bang and Olafsen have been producing speakers from the time your grandfathers young.. if you criticise something
be sure you know something about it..
 
and for Bose, its a well accepted famous brand.. spending large sums for research and selling their products in all continents..

[Marks DTM Calib]

 
Bang and Olafsen have been producing speakers from the time your grandfathers young.. if you criticise something
be sure you know something about it..
 
and for Bose, its a well accepted famous brand.. spending large sums for research and selling their products in all continents..

So did Lucas....   

[cem_devecioglu]

 
Bang and Olafsen have been producing speakers from the time your grandfathers young.. if you criticise something
be sure you know something about it..
 
and for Bose, its a well accepted famous brand.. spending large sums for research and selling their products in all continents..

So did Lucas....   

"A 2005 market study published by Forrester Research reported that Bose's brand name was among several computer and consumer electronics brands most trusted by US consumers including Dell and Hewlett-Packard.<sup>[57]"
 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bose_Corporation

some may not agree, but even their worst speakers are far superior than many speakers I have listened..</sup>

 
seems like I'm not alone in my idea
http://www.articlesnatch.com/Article/Bose-Speakers-For-Beginners--Whet-You-Need-To-Know/332104
 
http://www.smarthouse.com.au/Installation/CEDIA_Members/V7K9F9H9

[Marks DTM Calib]

The trouble is Cem, we have quite a few excellent british speaker manufacturers in the UK who produce some fantastic products many of which are not exported......and for me, thier sound is way better than the design compromised Bose units.

Bose are good for the stage and venue stuff, but the home stuff is a 'middle of the road'

[cem_devecioglu]

The trouble is Cem, we have quite a few excellent british speaker manufacturers in the UK who produce some fantastic products many of which are not exported......and for me, thier sound is way better than the design compromised Bose units.

Bose are good for the stage and venue stuff, but the home stuff is a 'middle of the road'

ok.. hats off to national feelings..   there is no replacement for it..

[Rods2]

My Kef 104ab Speakers, maybe old but I loved the sound listening to heavy rock with them, but my wife didn't like the size, so they are currently in the attic. 

Lounge currently has a more atheistic cheap crap Sony system. 

[D]

Cem, I have to strongly disgaree with you. There is a difference between reading about a manufacturer or speaker or reviews vs listening to it yourself.

Bose for me is quite coloured, and not in a nice way. The top end is brighter than it should be and there is usually an excess of the lower registers. My feeling is this is perhaps done intentionally to get that wow factor when you have a quick listen in a showroom. A technique employed by a few other manufacturers, for eg. Naim.

B&O on the other hand do often sound good, but are vastly overpriced for what they do. For eg the ice power modules that they use for amplification certainly doesnt cost anywhere near what they charge.

There are various hifi manufacturers who produce kit that would shame B&O at a much lower price point. Yes they dont have the brand popularity that Bose have, but that does not mean that they are inferior to Bose, B&O etc.

[farty_towels]

There are many brands on the market that cater for the 'boom tish' genre, the better speaker will add no colouration to the sound. Ultimately, you can go as far as criticise the music producers cut of the piece, if it doesn't suit your taste!

I still rate my monitor audio MA4's higher than most, although I wish I had bought a pair of quad esl's.

I worked in a hifi shop for a while and the best advice I could give was 'if they sound great to you with your eyes closed, and you can afford them - buy 'em'! It is such a subjective topic...! I really liked my PA speaker system though, with folded horn bins loaded with 18" fane drivers, woah, music you only felt!

[Kevin Wood]

Bose for me is quite coloured, and not in a nice way. The top end is brighter than it should be and there is usually an excess of the lower registers. My feeling is this is perhaps done intentionally to get that wow factor when you have a quick listen in a showroom. A technique employed by a few other manufacturers, for eg. Naim.

Sadly this appears to be a growing trend these days, probably to pander to the majority who think that "Hi-Fi" begins with a dull, compressed download from gayTunes.

I think these are the best all round speakers I've heard in a very long time. http://www.loudspeaker-art.com/emotion.html I can confidently say that neither Bose nor B&O make anything that comes close. It's unfortunate that they are a "bit" expensive. My mate got lucky on Ebay.

So, it's home brewed speakers for me until another bargain comes up.

[cem_devecioglu]

Cem, I have to strongly disgaree with you. There is a difference between reading about a manufacturer or speaker or reviews vs listening to it yourself.

No probs..Everyone can have different opinions.. and if the subject is music speakers ,  it may vary widely..

Bose for me is quite coloured, and not in a nice way. The top end is brighter than it should be and there is usually an excess of the lower registers. My feeling is this is perhaps done intentionally to get that wow factor when you have a quick listen in a showroom. A technique employed by a few other manufacturers, for eg. Naim.
 
honestly, even if I dont listen bose, my equalizer settings are always V shaped unless I want to listen some specific voice..
so imo they did a favour to people who dont own equalizers..


B&O on the other hand do often sound good, but are vastly overpriced for what they do. For eg the ice power modules that they use for amplification certainly doesnt cost anywhere near what they charge.
 
I never had B & O..  the shops/places I worked in student years had them.. and they are targeted for a specific rich class..
remember those electronic components are 3-4 times expensive here then europe prices..  

There are various hifi manufacturers who produce kit that would shame B&O at a much lower price point. Yes they dont have the brand popularity that Bose have, but that does not mean that they are inferior to Bose, B&O etc.
 
not necessarily of course.. for example I prefer to build my speakers instead of paying them a fortune..but if I had the money I wouldnt think twice before buying them..   Unfortunately the home  I have now cant handle strong speakers as some neighbours work nights and sleep daytime..

[Lampynoiseboy]

 
Bang and Olafsen have been producing speakers from the time your grandfathers young.. if you criticise something
be sure you know something about it..
 
and for Bose, its a well accepted famous brand.. spending large sums for research and selling their products in all continents..

B&O doesn't work easily with anything else, that is a fact.
The sound quality vs. price was the criticism- how long they've been doing it is irrelevant

I do like some Bose stuff, my point was that they also have a different way of doing things, which again makes it incompatible with other stuff- there are a lot of exploded amps on here to prove that!

I would at this point like to point out that for 4 years i worked for Rega Research, and as such have a comparisom room full of everything from b&0 to linn, think that qualifies as "knowing something about it"

And always a v shaped equaliser??? You bought the wrong speakers. Equalisers should be flat unless you are correcting poor/very old recordings or for rooms with poor acoustics, if you have to use it all the time, then they are either poor quality or not suitable for your needs

[Kevin Wood]

And always a v shaped equaliser??? You bought the wrong speakers. Equalisers should be flat unless you are correcting poor/very old recordings or for rooms with poor acoustics, if you have to use it all the time, then they are either poor quality or not suitable for your needs

Agreed. I don't even have any form of tone control and never miss it.... Although I have been thinking about trying some software-based room correction, but that's a different matter.

[Lampynoiseboy]

And always a v shaped equaliser??? You bought the wrong speakers. Equalisers should be flat unless you are correcting poor/very old recordings or for rooms with poor acoustics, if you have to use it all the time, then they are either poor quality or not suitable for your needs

Agreed. I don't even have any form of tone control and never miss it.... Although I have been thinking about trying some software-based room correction, but that's a different matter.

I've used some on a particularly nasty room, and tbh I ended up suggesting to the customer that they break-up the large amount of hard flat surfaces with either feature or drape.......kinda knew that before I switched the computer on- depends very much on if you actually have a problem or if you are just looking to make a good room sound better

Although, unless you already have or can borrow a decent reference mic, that plus s/w can be very costly to tell you what you already knew   

[cem_devecioglu]

 
Bang and Olafsen have been producing speakers from the time your grandfathers young.. if you criticise something
be sure you know something about it..
 
and for Bose, its a well accepted famous brand.. spending large sums for research and selling their products in all continents..

B&O doesn't work easily with anything else, that is a fact.
 
I havent seen any probs with their speakers compatibility. (as we are talking about speakers now)
 

The sound quality vs. price was the criticism- how long they've been doing it is irrelevant
 
a company surviving for 90 years cant produce wrong products.. so its directly relevant..
and for price, they target a specific class and its their marketing policy..


I do like some Bose stuff, my point was that they also have a different way of doing things, which again makes it incompatible with other stuff- there are a lot of exploded amps on here to prove that!
 
modern amplifiers mostly have protection fuses.. rarely they get cooked , let alone exploding ..


I would at this point like to point out that for 4 years i worked for Rega Research, and as such have a comparisom room full of everything from b&0 to linn, think that qualifies as "knowing something about it"

And always a v shaped equaliser??? You bought the wrong speakers. Equalisers should be flat unless you are correcting poor/very old recordings or for rooms with poor acoustics, if you have to use it all the time, then they are either poor quality or not suitable for your needs
 
   a v shaped equalizer shows my preference.. lets say I like lows and highs a bit exaggerated.. and I use that most of the time on any system.. so nothing to do with speakers..

[Lampynoiseboy]

 
Bang and Olafsen have been producing speakers from the time your grandfathers young.. if you criticise something
be sure you know something about it..
 
and for Bose, its a well accepted famous brand.. spending large sums for research and selling their products in all continents..

B&O doesn't work easily with anything else, that is a fact.
 
I havent seen any probs with their speakers compatibility. (as we are talking about speakers now)
 

The sound quality vs. price was the criticism- how long they've been doing it is irrelevant
 
a company surviving for 90 years cant produce wrong products.. so its directly relevant..
and for price, they target a specific class and its their marketing policy..


I do like some Bose stuff, my point was that they also have a different way of doing things, which again makes it incompatible with other stuff- there are a lot of exploded amps on here to prove that!
 
modern amplifiers mostly have protection fuses.. rarely they get cooked , let alone exploding ..


I would at this point like to point out that for 4 years i worked for Rega Research, and as such have a comparisom room full of everything from b&0 to linn, think that qualifies as "knowing something about it"

And always a v shaped equaliser??? You bought the wrong speakers. Equalisers should be flat unless you are correcting poor/very old recordings or for rooms with poor acoustics, if you have to use it all the time, then they are either poor quality or not suitable for your needs
 
   a v shaped equalizer shows my preference.. lets say I like lows and highs a bit exaggerated.. and I use that most of the time on any system.. so nothing to do with speakers..

B&O are lucky in that most of there customers suffer from "it's expensive so it must be good" which is great for them, not so good for people like me trying to explain that they've bought something vastly over-priced. The speakers sound average, cost too much, and the rest of their equipment is just too much hard work to intergrate- no one manufacturer makes the best of everything, hence why people buy seperates

No matter how well protected an amp is, it is possible to kill it. Read some of the Bose threads on here, or talk to daveDND!!

As for your EQ settings being nothing to do with the speakers, that's absolute rubbish. You say you like hi's & lo's, so buy speakers that do it already, think D has a suggestion above!!

If you need to add stuff to make something work, it's the wrong product for the application, unless you can't afford the right product, in which case that's your problem- not the speakers!