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[STMO123]

....how hard can that be?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-17690875
 
This one sentence sums up (for me, anyway) how pathetic the people who inhabit this country have become:
 
"Play campaigner Adrian Voce called on the government to develop a national play strategy".
 
Holy rather plasticine Batman

[Tony H]

What a very sad situation 

[Guinney1971]

my daughter is 2 1/2, and for several hours each day, she does not get my undivided attention, because we have an online business so I am busy processing orders.

I give her a different selection of toys each day to amuse her, be it her Fisher Price Garage (proper one from 1970), her Lego Duplo, books (she loves books), or drawing stuff.  She has CBeebies on in the background as there are several programmes that she enjoys and I feel are reasonably educational for a child of her age.

When I've finished the orders, its 'mummy and daughter time', and we'll kick a ball about, go to the park, go out in the car somewhere, do somework in the garden, draw together, read books, etc, then when she has her afternoon nap I tidy up and get stuff ready for the evening meal (or make summat and put it in the slow cooker).

I intend to draw on my experiences of childhood in the 1970's/early 1980's when bringing my daughter up, and she's not gonna spend hours each day on some mindless games console (we havent got one anyway) or playing on the computer.  I'm not gonna wrap her up in cotton wool, she's gonna learn from her mistakes like I had to and hopefully she will do all the things that I did, like going off with friends and making dens, climbing trees, playing at the park, going for bike rides, etc. 

Of course, I'll also make sure she helps out fixing the cars - I spent many a happy weekend helping my dad work on the family car when I was a child, and Kezia can carry on the family tradition 

Maybe its an age thing?  Perhaps some of the 'younger parents' today have been over influenced by 'elf and safety' and 'political correctness', whereas older mums like me (I'm 41) had a bit more freedom and sense of adventure in our childhood.

Claire

[jerry]

I know it sounds ridiculous STMO but prior to giving up work to care for our lad my better half worked for childrens services and many parents genuinely do not know how to "play" with their children and sadly I dont doubt the results of the Ribena research. The reasons?
1) for working families both parents probably have to work for financial reasons and this leads to them spending less quality time with their kids and in some cases they may have to enroll their children in school "breakfast clubs" as well as after school activities which means the kids themselves are almost institutionalised or 2) the parents themselves had been in a similar position when they were kids so-unlike the generations that Guinney mentions-they themselves have no "role" model to draw upon in terms of relating to their kids. Oh, and 3) the ones who are too rather' selfish and should never have had kids in the first place because theyre still too intersted in clubbing/getting drunk/scoring drugs/playing online etc etc. And of course, such "solitary" activities as console games are no substitute for more social/interactive games whether it be doing activities with mum or dad like making models out of household items (loads of good books available for ideas on this) or playing simple board games. Sadly all part of our social malaise 

[Guinney1971]

well said Jerry !

[STMO123]

I understand exactly what you are both saying and, mostly, agree. But the part that made me angry was the sentence I quoted. Do folk expect the government to do everything for them? How about a national strategy on how to wipe one's arse?

[Guinney1971]

I understand exactly what you are both saying and, mostly, agree. But the part that made me angry was the sentence I quoted. Do folk expect the government to do everything for them? How about a national strategy on how to wipe one's arse?

Oh I know, I dont know what is wrong with folks these days, its pathetic really. 

Like you say, people would ask for pamphlets on the correct 'elf and safety' way of wiping you own backside if given the opportunity.

There seems to be an alarming lack of common sense these days, makes you wonder what they teach em at school   

[feeutfo]

We have... No. Not today. Not playing. No no no.

[Vamps]

I understand exactly what you are both saying and, mostly, agree. But the part that made me angry was the sentence I quoted. Do folk expect the government to do everything for them? How about a national strategy on how to wipe one's arse?

Oh I know, I dont know what is wrong with folks these days, its pathetic really. 

Like you say, people would ask for pamphlets on the correct 'elf and safety' way of wiping you own backside if given the opportunity.

There seems to be an alarming lack of common sense these days, makes you wonder what they teach em at school   

Should we not start with what the 'parents teach their children' nothing to do with school......and if more parents did their bit and worked with the schools we would see an improvement....

[jerry]

Very true Vamps! Certainly too many parents are happy to abdicate their parental responsibilities and too readily lay any "blame" for their childrens behaviour as well as educational issues at the feet of the schools. Trust me, as one who has had no option but to withdraw our son (he has aspergers and dystonia) from school in order to home tutor him as the battles with the school over their ability to cope and provide him with the support he needs just got ridiculous, I know full well the failings that the educational system can have BUT he is our son and WE therefore take the responsibility for him. Yet more symptomatic behaviour from a society where political correctness and nanny-stateness have led to many being unable to stand up and take responsibility for their actions. That said, whilst it is impossible not to see STMO's point of view, I do believe that it can only be of benefit if we can support parents in building up proper relationships with their children not least because a failure to do so will only result in similar problems being carried through to future generations with all the social issues that that entails.

[tigers_gonads]

I understand exactly what you are both saying and, mostly, agree. But the part that made me angry was the sentence I quoted. Do folk expect the government to do everything for them? How about a national strategy on how to wipe one's arse?

Oh I know, I dont know what is wrong with folks these days, its pathetic really. 

Like you say, people would ask for pamphlets on the correct 'elf and safety' way of wiping you own backside if given the opportunity.

There seems to be an alarming lack of common sense these days, makes you wonder what they teach em at school   

Should we not start with what the 'parents teach their children' nothing to do with school......and if more parents did their bit and worked with the schools we would see an improvement....

Tbh, there are 2 or in some cases 3 generations  (they breed them young in some parts) of inbred retards  parents out there who just havent got a rather clue so have never passed down these life skills. 

As said before, parents would rather give the kids a tenner and kick them out on the streets so they can have the sofa to themselfs then spend sometime with them 

I've said it before and i'll say it again ................. this country has been totally breaked up by the liberal social worker / health and saftey / human / gay / womens rights type tossers who believe that everybody is a rather victim if they scream loud enough 
There is no such thing as "common sence" anymore because people are not allowed to say "NO" anymore 

I'd go for people needing a licence to have kids.
If you are a total retard and don't have a clue how to bring up kids in the "right manor" or can't afford to feed them then you don't breed ............. simples 

There are some fantastic people out there who would love to have the chance to be a parent but for whatever reason, they can't have kids.
Its about time that the tossers in this country relised that haveing kids is a privlidge, not a right 

[jimac]

There are some fantastic people out there who would love to have the chance to be a parent but for whatever reason, they can't have kids.
Its about time that the tossers in this country relised that haveing kids is a privlidge, not a right 

Steady on, old boy! We're not in China, you know! 

[Dishevelled Den]

I understand exactly what you are both saying and, mostly, agree. But the part that made me angry was the sentence I quoted. Do folk expect the government to do everything for them? How about a national strategy on how to wipe one's arse?

How about a national strategy on how to wipe one's arse?

This rather audacious policy has been very successful indeed as the troglodytes, often found (more often than not, sadly) infesting the corridors and back rooms of not only the national government but also in those areas of crazed power bunkered within plush regional assemblies and council chambers across this nation, can proudly – and quite justifiably - refer to themselves as fully qualified ass-wipes.

Eyethangyew

[cleggy]

I understand exactly what you are both saying and, mostly, agree. But the part that made me angry was the sentence I quoted. Do folk expect the government to do everything for them? How about a national strategy on how to wipe one's arse?

Oh I know, I dont know what is wrong with folks these days, its pathetic really. 

Like you say, people would ask for pamphlets on the correct 'elf and safety' way of wiping you own backside if given the opportunity.

There seems to be an alarming lack of common sense these days, makes you wonder what they teach em at school   

Should we not start with what the 'parents teach their children' nothing to do with school......and if more parents did their bit and worked with the schools we would see an improvement....

Tbh, there are 2 or in some cases 3 generations  (they breed them young in some parts) of inbred retards  parents out there who just havent got a rather clue so have never passed down these life skills. 

As said before, parents would rather give the kids a tenner and kick them out on the streets so they can have the sofa to themselfs then spend sometime with them 

I've said it before and i'll say it again ................. this country has been totally breaked up by the liberal social worker / health and saftey / human / gay / womens rights type tossers who believe that everybody is a rather victim if they scream loud enough 
There is no such thing as "common sence" anymore because people are not allowed to say "NO" anymore 

I'd go for people needing a licence to have kids.
If you are a total retard and don't have a clue how to bring up kids in the "right manor" or can't afford to feed them then you don't breed ............. simples 

There are some fantastic people out there who would love to have the chance to be a parent but for whatever reason, they can't have kids.
Its about time that the tossers in this country relised that haveing kids is a privlidge, not a right 

SPOT ON
It is too easy to open the crac   legs for benefits