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[TheBoy]

Doesn't matter how many times I install on VMs or other machines I don't use, the only way I will get to know it is to use it on my day-to-day laptop.

So, yesterday, the deed was done.

[Dr_X]

Is it out yet or is it a beta?

[TheBoy]

Is it out yet or is it a beta?

CP been out for a fair while. Had it installed on various machines for a while, but as they are not my main machines, haven't 'forced' myself to use it. There is a lot to get used to.

[Dr_X]

only just got all the putes in the house running w7 ....

[tunnie]

Going by screenshots looks great for big screens, but can't see it in corporate environment 

[TheBoy]

Going by screenshots looks great for big screens, but can't see it in corporate environment 

Screen size doesn't really matter. Its quite clearly for tablets and touch.

[tunnie]

Going by screenshots looks great for big screens, but can't see it in corporate environment 

Screen size doesn't really matter. Its quite clearly for tablets and touch.

Can't see them making any real success in tablet market tbh, they will make too many devices, for loads of different sizes. It won't be optimised well, to suit just one bit of hardware.

Perhaps with purchase of Nokia, they will see sense, drop Nokia to a phone only brand and use there abilities to make one, good tablet, with the O/S specificity designed to work on it.

But it will go the way its always had done, too many manufactures and devices. 

[Kevin Wood]

Yeah, IT guy at work proudly showed off his machine with about 6 launch icons fitting on a 24" display. Clearly eye candy designed to capture the iTard market.

So, first question, as always, is "is there a "classic" mode?"

[TheBoy]

Going by screenshots looks great for big screens, but can't see it in corporate environment 

Screen size doesn't really matter. Its quite clearly for tablets and touch.

Can't see them making any real success in tablet market tbh, they will make too many devices, for loads of different sizes. It won't be optimised well, to suit just one bit of hardware.

Perhaps with purchase of Nokia, they will see sense, drop Nokia to a phone only brand and use there abilities to make one, good tablet, with the O/S specificity designed to work on it.

But it will go the way its always had done, too many manufactures and devices. 

It will be awful to see MS design it for just one device. They are the only one of the mainstream consumer OS's for any device type that isn't tied to a specific design.

MS have the clout to allow good tablets for those that don't want to be limited by crApple.  However, I still think tablets are a flash in the pan, and will go back to being semi-niche.

But to bet Win8 on the tablet market represents true bravery. Or (IMHO) stupidity.  Hopefully they will beef up the non-touch side of things before the proper betas...

[TheBoy]

So, first question, as always, is "is there a "classic" mode?"

Sort of. There is a traditional desktop mode, but no traditional Start menu (Start menu is the WinMo7 style hub display).

So, if like me, you don't splatter your desktop with as many icons as possible (slowing down the machine in the process), you're screwed.

And the single best usability feature introduced in Vista, the Search on the start menu, is now a gesture and mouse click away.

[TheBoy]

Shutdown is also a gesture and 3 clicks away, again demonstrating the current focus is tablets, and other instant-on devices.

Grrr...

[tunnie]

The other issue for me is applications, I have a Motorola Xoom2 here, a fantastic 10" tablet, its brilliant bit of hardware. The screen is big, bright, clear, excellent to use. The tablet itself is thin, powerful, very quick, with some decent cameras.

But, there are just no decent applications for it. The big applications *inserting shamless plug* like Sky Sports, or SkyGo, are not available it. Having the ability to watch TV on the go, is big reason many go for tablets.

With the Android Xoom2, its only practical use is surfing. You might as well use your phone for that 

[Kevin Wood]

I see tablets as an evolution of the netbook+smart phone. Easily portable device with (unlike a smart phone) a useable screen size for surfing, mail, etc.

.. and, moving on from the netbook, ditching the dire X86 architecture for something that will give both performance and sensible battery life for the type of computing folk need "on the go" i.e. surfing, email, @rsebook, shtwitter, etc..

.. of course, you need to add a keyboard for it to be anything more than an expensive digital photo frame IMHO.

Not sure I get the "TV on the go" thing. I'm increasingly disinclined to switch on the TV when I'm sitting right in front of it with break all to do, let alone when I'm doing something more interesting.

[tunnie]

Guess maybe its more people I tend to know who get one, thats one of the main reasons they want one 

I've seen a couple of these being use:

http://www.pandawill.com/portable-aluminum-bluetooth-keyboard-dock-base-for-apple-ipad-2.html

Turns iPad almost into a Macbook Air, might as well buy the macbook really!

[TheBoy]

I see tablets as an evolution of the netbook+smart phone. Easily portable device with (unlike a smart phone) a useable screen size for surfing, mail, etc.

.. and, moving on from the netbook, ditching the dire X86 architecture for something that will give both performance and sensible battery life for the type of computing folk need "on the go" i.e. surfing, email, @rsebook, shtwitter, etc..

.. of course, you need to add a keyboard for it to be anything more than an expensive digital photo frame IMHO.

Not sure I get the "TV on the go" thing. I'm increasingly disinclined to switch on the TV when I'm sitting right in front of it with break all to do, let alone when I'm doing something more interesting.

Oddly, I've started using my netbook more than I use the tablet now. Both only used for web surfing, and spot of email.

I agree on the whole gay "tv on the go" BS though. I suspect a short lived gimmick, which you can bet your backside the mobile networks will put a stop on anyway.