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Fitting poly bushes
« on: 30 April 2012, 03:23:55 »

From other threads it would seem the bushes can be fitted to the arms 'in situ' or have I misunderstood?
Assuming I'm right ( I know .....   ::) ) can this be done with the car on ramps, or must it be stands? I'm not overly familiar with the geometry setup, so trying to establish if the wheels need to be suspended to allow sufficient access and freedom.
Ramps would give greater clearance to remove existing bushes, which I'm hoping will be the difficult part? And does anything else need adjusted, loosened, etc or can you simply just work on the bush area itself?
Going to get everything together to have a go, and I'll have a good look underneath to try and get my bearings, but information and advice gratefully received  ;)

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Re: Fitting poly bushes
« Reply #1 on: 30 April 2012, 08:49:48 »

I jacked mine high enough to place ramps under the wheels. With wheels on ramps I find the compressed suspension gives an easier angle on the wishbone to pull it down, so it can be wedged with a lump of wood against the roll bar.
 Other than that it makes no odds really. Other than ramps would be safer. Deepends what you have. Ramps foul the bumper so can't be driven onto unless you have extensions, plus they slide if driven up to on hard surfaces. So need a minimum 2.5 ton jack IME.

The main thing is to provide a situation where the front AND rear of the front wishbone bush can be pulled and wedged down far enough to clear the subframe to work on.

Hole cutter and jig saw with long metal blade ,used here, to cut the old bush out. But again, whatever you have will work. I believe Seth burned his out. Which sounds like fun. :)

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Re: Fitting poly bushes
« Reply #2 on: 30 April 2012, 12:25:15 »

I jacked mine high enough to place ramps under the wheels. With wheels on ramps I find the compressed suspension gives an easier angle on the wishbone to pull it down, so it can be wedged with a lump of wood against the roll bar.
 Other than that it makes no odds really. Other than ramps would be safer. Deepends what you have. Ramps foul the bumper so can't be driven onto unless you have extensions, plus they slide if driven up to on hard surfaces. So need a minimum 2.5 ton jack IME.

The main thing is to provide a situation where the front AND rear of the front wishbone bush can be pulled and wedged down far enough to clear the subframe to work on.

Hole cutter and jig saw with long metal blade ,used here, to cut the old bush out. But again, whatever you have will work. I believe Seth burned his out. Which sounds like fun. :)
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Re: Fitting poly bushes
« Reply #3 on: 30 April 2012, 13:46:04 »

 :-\ Hmm quandry here, :o

 not telling you guys how to do things but in all the posts about fitting poly bushes, not once have I seen anyone mention polybush lubricant? this is supposed to be used when you fit them,
just used it on the shogun poly bushes today(only front anti rollbar so far but all joints on that (6) bushed difference is amazing!!) drives so much better, I can feel where its going now! lol
but anyway apparently if you dont use the lubricant the bushes can wear tremendously in the first few weeks till they settle in, by that time could be to late! makes it very easy to fit them too!!

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Re: Fitting poly bushes
« Reply #4 on: 30 April 2012, 14:11:59 »

I jacked mine high enough to place ramps under the wheels. With wheels on ramps I find the compressed suspension gives an easier angle on the wishbone to pull it down, so it can be wedged with a lump of wood against the roll bar.
 Other than that it makes no odds really. Other than ramps would be safer. Deepends what you have. Ramps foul the bumper so can't be driven onto unless you have extensions, plus they slide if driven up to on hard surfaces. So need a minimum 2.5 ton jack IME.

The main thing is to provide a situation where the front AND rear of the front wishbone bush can be pulled and wedged down far enough to clear the subframe to work on.

Hole cutter and jig saw with long metal blade ,used here, to cut the old bush out. But again, whatever you have will work. I believe Seth burned his out. Which sounds like fun. :)

Actually did mine prior to fitting new Lemforder wishbones.
After burning-out the rubber portion, I VERY CAREFULLY hack-sawed through the outer tube, taking care not to cut into the wishbone.



Our Turk however, did his in-situ as per:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D5Nfvr_CHQM&feature=BFa&list=UUYmI4mKSfBzJfuB8Hx-jdqw

Now that really was a barrel of laughs - though totally effective!
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Re: Fitting poly bushes
« Reply #5 on: 30 April 2012, 14:27:55 »

:-\ Hmm quandry here, :o

 not telling you guys how to do things but in all the posts about fitting poly bushes, not once have I seen anyone mention polybush lubricant? this is supposed to be used when you fit them,
just used it on the shogun poly bushes today(only front anti rollbar so far but all joints on that (6) bushed difference is amazing!!) drives so much better, I can feel where its going now! lol
but anyway apparently if you dont use the lubricant the bushes can wear tremendously in the first few weeks till they settle in, by that time could be to late! makes it very easy to fit them too!!

Yep, you're right to point out this omission. :y The powerflex bushes come with a small sachet of lubricant for this purpose. Not sure why all of us have neglected to mention this step but, of course, it needs to be applied to the central spacer and the inside of the bush before they are fitted together.
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Re: Fitting poly bushes
« Reply #6 on: 30 April 2012, 14:29:11 »

OT, powerflex ones come with a sachet of lube. ;)
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Re: Fitting poly bushes
« Reply #7 on: 30 April 2012, 14:45:25 »

For the sake of undoing two more bolts, I'd need a damn good reason to fit the bushes with the wishbones on the car. Removing them allows you to evaluate the rear bush and balljoint too.
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« Reply #8 on: 30 April 2012, 14:48:25 »

For the sake of undoing two more bolts, I'd need a damn good reason to fit the bushes with the wishbones on the car. Removing them allows you to evaluate the rear bush and balljoint too.
Fire away then. But why can't the ball joint and rearward bush be checked on the car?
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Re: Fitting poly bushes
« Reply #9 on: 30 April 2012, 14:50:53 »

OT, powerflex ones come with a sachet of lube. ;)

Mine are Powerflex and they came with a sachet but didn't tell you where to put it so I googled it and used this link. Scroll down to second picture.  :y

http://www.netbug.net/blogmichael/?p=103

I also wondered why the lube was never mentioned but didn't like to ask in case it was obvious. I thought it had something to do with Chris's aversion to copper slip.  ;D  It was more luck than judgement that I got mine right as I put it on any surface likely to come under movement.

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Re: Fitting poly bushes
« Reply #10 on: 30 April 2012, 19:51:59 »

OT, powerflex ones come with a sachet of lube. ;)

Mine are Powerflex and they came with a sachet but didn't tell you where to put it so I googled it and used this link. Scroll down to second picture.  :y

http://www.netbug.net/blogmichael/?p=103

I also wondered why the lube was never mentioned but didn't like to ask in case it was obvious. I thought it had something to do with Chris's aversion to copper slip.  ;D  It was more luck than judgement that I got mine right as I put it on any surface likely to come under movement.

Regards
Alan

good news guys!! was getting a little worried you were all  not using it!! panic over!!
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