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[Marie]

God Jame s your a busy man!!!!

I cant thankyou enough for giving up one of your very few spare weekends.

James is very kind at offering and helpin to work on other peoples cars to the extent he ends up putting off the work that requires doing to his beast.

[Dazzler]

Does anyone know if a diesel will start and run on LPG ONLY???

[Elite Pete]

Does anyone know if a diesel will start and run on LPG ONLY???

No

But they have systems that run together and increase BHP

[Kevin Wood]

I am certainly up for it now, and I know of another V6 Omega that is waiting for a conversion.

Not sure about a meet to do complete conversions. As it stands I think one car from start to finish in a weekend is do-able but not sure how that would "scale up" :-/. It could be a week to do a handful of cars, a weekend to partially convert 5 or 6 cars or a weekend to fully convert 5 or 6 given enough hands on deck who have been through the process before.

One thing that could help is to fit injector nozzles to as many manifolds as possible up front. This is a job that takes a little time and patience so not as easy to do "on the day". A quick manifold swap, however, is not too bad.

Other jobs, such as fitting the tank, are not too difficult and hopefully people could do that sort of thing in advance. Wiring is tricky because it all has to be assembled on the vehicle. This could be made more "plug and play" alternatively given enough vehicles in a state ready for it to be done it wouldn't take long per car once we're up to speed.

Mapping is another topic and would need to be considered, especially for those who are not competent to go away and do the fine tuning themselves.

Kevin

[caolan_p]

phoned a few places there now 1 was £1200 with 2 years warrenty the other £1500 with a 90l tank and no warrenty.DIY DIY DIY DIY any DVDs on it plus someone with it to fit it 

[Kevin Wood]

Well, one way round the issue of how to tackle a large number of installs might be to document one install very well, with pictures and / or video.

Kevin

[JamesV6CDX]

Well, one way round the issue of how to tackle a large number of installs might be to document one install very well, with pictures and / or video.

Kevin

Hmm... what are we doing tomorrow

Got a good camera?

[Lazydocker]

Thought long and hard over the last couple of days... I really didn't want to lose the through load facility but have decided that fitting a tank between the rear arches is the only way forwards!!! It'll still leave a cavernous boot.

Is there anyone with a spare V6 inlet manifold who is prepared to drill and fit injectors on an exchange basis? Just thinking that this would make the install much easier and I'd probably be prepared to go it alone. The rest of it isn't a major concern, although if we could get the wiring looms in plug and play that'd be fantastic!

Any chance on some more info on the kit you guys recommend?

One last question... Does the on board computer work on LPG or is that expecting too much??

[Kevin Wood]

I don't have a manifold but would be more than happy to fit some nozzles if one can be found.

Fuel consumption on the MID will be on the basis of the petrol that the car would have consumed, so probably useful as a guide but not accurate.

Kevin

[Bacon Butty Man]

Last year i bought the kit for the Omega, SGI and a 70l tank = £705

Just had a quote for another one from the same company but this time 80l......£630!!!!!

Madness, that's half the price i can get it fitted for....sod it i am going to do another one DIY

Its a shame we cant get a bulk buy together and then one bank holiday weekend do a few of them, we must have half a dozen members here that want/need them done

i am interested, but are they a barstool to fit. who quoted the 650 for the kit alone.#?

[Marie]

I am certainly up for it now, and I know of another V6 Omega that is waiting for a conversion.

Not sure about a meet to do complete conversions. As it stands I think one car from start to finish in a weekend is do-able but not sure how that would "scale up" :-/. It could be a week to do a handful of cars, a weekend to partially convert 5 or 6 cars or a weekend to fully convert 5 or 6 given enough hands on deck who have been through the process before.

One thing that could help is to fit injector nozzles to as many manifolds as possible up front. This is a job that takes a little time and patience so not as easy to do "on the day". A quick manifold swap, however, is not too bad.

Other jobs, such as fitting the tank, are not too difficult and hopefully people could do that sort of thing in advance. Wiring is tricky because it all has to be assembled on the vehicle. This could be made more "plug and play" alternatively given enough vehicles in a state ready for it to be done it wouldn't take long per car once we're up to speed.

Mapping is another topic and would need to be considered, especially for those who are not competent to go away and do the fine tuning themselves.

Kevin

i agree with kev i dont think a gas conversion party is a good idea or do able.

from what i have learnt today it has been a constant go to get my motor 80 % of the way done and thats without running into any major snags. and as the fellas said its only half an engine!

you would have to have LPG experanced people doing a lot of the work. its the fiddly jobs that only one person can only get to at a time. (there is only so much space in the engine bay!)

there would have to be a lot of pre work done prior to any sort of lpg meet to realisticly achevie anything.

[Jay w]

im going from memory now so if i miss out anything then please correct me.

Wiring:
The kits that i have bought have been straightforward. The injection loom was plug and play,
then there was a live and earth (Battery)
Switched live and RPM signal (From ECU)
The rest of the connectors then are for the LPG side of things and with the exception of the switch they all have moulded multiplugs.

Engine work

The inlet manifold needs to be taken off the car, drill and tapped with 6mm threads,
The heater hose at the back of the engine by the HBV needs to be cut and a hot water supply and return to the vaporiser created
the injectors require mounting
the ECU requires mounting (by the pollen filter seems to be a favourite)
The vaporiser  needs mounting (under the airbox on V6's)

Back end
The Tank needs mounting (this means measuring, drilling and sometimes tapping the floor)
The filler neck needs fitting (if doing a bumper then this needs to come off, makes the job easier)
The pipework needs fitting from filler to tank and tank to front

Odds and ends.

The switch needs fitting inside
Tidy wiring up
Run configuration and fine tune

That's pretty much it

[Lazydocker]

Thanks Kevin,

TBH that's the only part I'd be really reluctant to do... And that's more due to a lack of good equipment than anything else!

I fitted an extra tank to my Rangey when I had it and virtually re-plumbed the front end anyway, although it was only an open loop induction system, so I'm fairly confident with most of the work.

Does the kit recommended by members here come complete with all the software and leads required to set it up and I assume it has an auto-calibrate system to get you in the right ball park?

Definitely think that DIY is the way to go as I know I can get the system certified, to keep insurers happy, for under £50 anyway!

Does anyone else think that getting a manifold prepared by someone experienced, like Kevin, and then swapping them on an exchange basis could be the way forwards? Failing that, how much would a V6 manifold set me back??

[Martin_1962]

You don't have to do it in one go, I'd suggest doing a lot of it in advance and not take the car off road

[Lazydocker]

I agree Martin,

Could easily start at the back. Fit tank/Filler and pipework, then run LPG lines to engine bay, fit filter solenoid, mount ECU and even Vaporiser, connect feed pipes and do wiring then, finally swap manifold and plumb water flow return.

I reckon on somewhere around 9-10 man days for a DIY installation to the standard I'd be happy with!