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Re: The Pillock Brown - Again....
« Reply #15 on: 10 April 2008, 14:24:21 »

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I would suggest that people have a little read of this article

http://www.economicshelp.org/2008/03/national-debt-statistics-problem-of.html

As some may know, I keep a little eye on the big financial side of things.......and the above hits home just how big a mess we are all in.

This put me into a cold sweat:

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Last year the government spent £31 bn on interest payments alone.

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Government borrowing for 2007/08 is forecast to be £42 billion

So, we're borrowing to pay the interest on our borrowing, plus a little beer money?

 >:(

Kevin


Yes, hence why I suspect they are VERY worried about the lack of cash for lending at the moment....

The graphs make interesting reading to, the net debt as a percentage of GDP at first glance sudgests taht in the 90's we were worse off but.....the GPD was about half what it is now......and what do we think might happen to GDP over the coming years...... :'(
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Re: The Pillock Brown - Again....
« Reply #16 on: 10 April 2008, 14:57:49 »

This is terrifying - could the UK go bankrupt?
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Re: The Pillock Brown - Again....
« Reply #17 on: 10 April 2008, 15:02:21 »

Worrying times ahead i fear  :-/ >:(
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Re: The Pillock Brown - Again....
« Reply #18 on: 10 April 2008, 15:02:54 »

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This is terrifying - could the UK go bankrupt?


Not whilst you have a means to service the debt.......and not given the current GDP and earning potential of the country.

But the availability of the levels of cash (mainly by a special type of bond generally) we are currently borrowing may dry up and hence big public spending cuts would be required..........or tax hikes!

So, who now thinks that this government has been economically strong.?
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Re: The Pillock Brown - Again....
« Reply #19 on: 10 April 2008, 15:10:01 »

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So, who now thinks that this government has been economically strong.?

That piece of spin and all the "prudence" carp was just crafted to land Gordon the top job. Dunno why he wanted it. He's done bu663r all of note since he's had it.

.. and now we find outselves in autumn and the farmer appears to have forgotten to make any hay... :(

Kevin
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Re: The Pillock Brown - Again....
« Reply #20 on: 10 April 2008, 15:34:01 »

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This is terrifying - could the UK go bankrupt?


Not whilst you have a means to service the debt.......and not given the current GDP and earning potential of the country.

But the availability of the levels of cash (mainly by a special type of bond generally) we are currently borrowing may dry up and hence big public spending cuts would be required..........or tax hikes!

So, who now thinks that this government has been economically strong.?


i never have thought so...not in amilion years.

The irony is that governments normally blame the previous rule...Labour cant really do that, and a chancellor may take a swipe at a previous chancellor - Darling cant do that  ;D And the PM may reprimant his chancellor or monetary polices....and Gordy Boy cant do that..
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Re: The Pillock Brown - Again....
« Reply #21 on: 10 April 2008, 15:52:46 »

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So, who now thinks that this government has been economically strong.?

That piece of spin and all the "prudence" carp was just crafted to land Gordon the top job. Dunno why he wanted it. He's done bu663r all of note since he's had it.

.. and now we find outselves in autumn and the farmer appears to have forgotten to make any hay... :(

Kevin

Do we have any of them left? A big part of my family are were farmers, two have sold up and left farming totally and one has sold up and moved to OZ. Very very soon we will have nothing left in this country except imigrants and massive debt  >:( >:( >:(
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Re: The Pillock Brown - Again....
« Reply #22 on: 10 April 2008, 16:29:59 »

I want to know how much the morons are getting from the car tax changes on 2001 to 2006 F bands, Omegas alone.

Just wondering if it was £100,000,000
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Re: The Pillock Brown - Again....
« Reply #23 on: 10 April 2008, 17:21:02 »

When a Town Clerk, now called Chief Executive, can be paid £200,000 a year we are in trouble. The most worrying aspect of Marks economic article is the public sector pensions provision, a simple sum can work that problem out, take a senior nurse, planning officer or fireman, rising through the ranks and gaining promotions, or similar and follow this:
30 years working for their employer,
10 years at £30000 per annum
10 years at £40000 per annum
10 years at £50000 per annum
Total earned during their career £1.2m, 10% of their earnings paid into pension provision with the government, £120,000 in their pension pot, no growth as the money is used to pay current pensions for public servants. Retire at 55, normal life expectancy 72 years ( male ). 17 years at £7000 a year, or £140 a week, Add the index linking or final salary guarantees into this and the amount that we the taxpayer are liable for is likely to be double what the worker has paid in.Hence the massive black hole in the governments pension provision, £42bn and rising. The pensions should not be handled by the state, they should be done on the financial markets like everyone else, leaving the opportunity for growth and no state dependency.The working population is shrinking, good wage earners and companies are deserting the UK every day, leaving a higher burden for those who remain. I don't know what the solution is but public spending is out of control.
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Re: The Pillock Brown - Again....
« Reply #24 on: 10 April 2008, 17:25:41 »

to quote an advert on tv "its not looking good is it"
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Re: The Pillock Brown - Again....
« Reply #25 on: 10 April 2008, 17:28:41 »

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So, who now thinks that this government has been economically strong.?

That piece of spin and all the "prudence" carp was just crafted to land Gordon the top job. Dunno why he wanted it. He's done bu663r all of note since he's had it.

.. and now we find outselves in autumn and the farmer appears to have forgotten to make any hay... :(

Kevin

Do we have any of them left? A big part of my family are were farmers, two have sold up and left farming totally and one has sold up and moved to OZ. Very very soon we will have nothing left in this country except imigrants and massive debt  >:( >:( >:(

Probably had a compulsory purchase order slapped on them so they could build more houses for immigrants! >:(
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Re: The Pillock Brown - Again....
« Reply #26 on: 10 April 2008, 17:46:08 »

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The pensions should not be handled by the state, they should be done on the financial markets like everyone else, leaving the opportunity for growth and no state dependency.

Precisely. What private business would get away with running a pension scheme without putting any "real" money in the pot? (OK, I know it's happened in the past - Maxwell, etc.).

Government are promising the earth to the public sector regarding pension provision without a clue where the money will come from.

When you're only serving in office for a relatively short term you can ignore the elephant in the corner. We'll be living here for substantially longer though (those of us who don't get fed up and emigrate).

Kevin

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Re: The Pillock Brown - Again....
« Reply #27 on: 10 April 2008, 18:53:54 »

On a more down to earth level......i find it worrying that the building societies have stopped lending each other money (probably due to Northern Rock) and mortgages are now harder to obtain!
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Re: The Pillock Brown - Again....
« Reply #28 on: 10 April 2008, 18:58:43 »

its a sad state of affairs when the people in charge are incompetent and self serving but totally oblivious to it. im moving to africa to get my free mosquito net cos ive got bugger all free in this country!!!
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yet another miserable day in rip off britain !!!
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