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[Agemo]

Just as well I used common sense and already downloaded the KYB catalogue and refered to it only to discover that the correct ones had been fitted anyway, RX5414. Finally bit the bullet and got a pair of new heavy duty ones from Germany complete with a 2 full year or 20k unrestricted warranty to see if they make the difference considering that it was the KYB correct ones let me down initially. The heavy duty ones are still barrel shaped but the coils are the same diameter throughout and not tapered at the ends. Also according to KYB it makes no difference which way round they are fitted vertically as long as the tailend at the botton faces the rear.
Time will tell and if I need to change the shockers too then I will..........

See you Sat Daz, probably about 9ish depending on how many idiots get in my way.......

Sounds like you DON'T have self leveling, which is what I thought.

[Darth Loo-knee]

Just as well I used common sense and already downloaded the KYB catalogue and refered to it only to discover that the correct ones had been fitted anyway, RX5414. Finally bit the bullet and got a pair of new heavy duty ones from Germany complete with a 2 full year or 20k unrestricted warranty to see if they make the difference considering that it was the KYB correct ones let me down initially. The heavy duty ones are still barrel shaped but the coils are the same diameter throughout and not tapered at the ends. Also according to KYB it makes no difference which way round they are fitted vertically as long as the tailend at the botton faces the rear.
Time will tell and if I need to change the shockers too then I will..........

See you Sat Daz, probably about 9ish depending on how many idiots get in my way.......

Sounds like you DON'T have self leveling, which is what I thought.

He doesn't someone has removed the fuse for the pump, plus the shocks have no airpipe nipple, infact csmt see any airpipe. People thinking they are saving money I suppose 

[YOUNGZIMMY]

 only buy the bestto hell with the rest

[Entwood]

Just as well I used common sense and already downloaded the KYB catalogue and refered to it only to discover that the correct ones had been fitted anyway, RX5414. Finally bit the bullet and got a pair of new heavy duty ones from Germany complete with a 2 full year or 20k unrestricted warranty to see if they make the difference considering that it was the KYB correct ones let me down initially. The heavy duty ones are still barrel shaped but the coils are the same diameter throughout and not tapered at the ends. Also according to KYB it makes no difference which way round they are fitted vertically as long as the tailend at the botton faces the rear.
Time will tell and if I need to change the shockers too then I will..........

See you Sat Daz, probably about 9ish depending on how many idiots get in my way.......

Sounds like you DON'T have self leveling, which is what I thought.

He doesn't someone has removed the fuse for the pump, plus the shocks have no airpipe nipple, infact csmt see any airpipe. People thinking they are saving money I suppose 

So .. non-self-levelling shocks but still with self-levelling springs fitted

Poor springs have been doing twice the work they were designed for by the sounds of it ....no wonder they break ....   

[YOUNGZIMMY]

only buy the best to hell with the rest

[Agemo]

AHHH Right, that explains things. Thanks for clearing that up Gents. 

[Darth Loo-knee]

Just as well I used common sense and already downloaded the KYB catalogue and refered to it only to discover that the correct ones had been fitted anyway, RX5414. Finally bit the bullet and got a pair of new heavy duty ones from Germany complete with a 2 full year or 20k unrestricted warranty to see if they make the difference considering that it was the KYB correct ones let me down initially. The heavy duty ones are still barrel shaped but the coils are the same diameter throughout and not tapered at the ends. Also according to KYB it makes no difference which way round they are fitted vertically as long as the tailend at the botton faces the rear.
Time will tell and if I need to change the shockers too then I will..........

See you Sat Daz, probably about 9ish depending on how many idiots get in my way.......

Sounds like you DON'T have self leveling, which is what I thought.

He doesn't someone has removed the fuse for the pump, plus the shocks have no airpipe nipple, infact csmt see any airpipe. People thinking they are saving money I suppose 

So .. non-self-levelling shocks but still with self-levelling springs fitted

Poor springs have been doing twice the work they were designed for by the sounds of it ....no wonder they break ....   

No Nige. Someone has before Bionic boight this car removed the rear air shocks plus springs and fitted standard springs and shocks. I can't see any air pipes plus the fuse is missing for the self leveling pump.
What is puzzling is why springs keep breaking.
If air shocks and standard springs had being fitted or standard shocks with leveling springs I could have understood why....

[Bionic]

 
Great, went up to Daz's yesterday and got the new untapered springs (got them for a really brilliant price too) fitted and the shockers and everything else related to the rear suspension looked at. No problems were found and as soon as they were on and test driven the improvement in ride quality was apparent. It is now a joy to drive and does not roll or 'boat' anywhere near as much on corners and bends. Obviously the tapered springs were not strong enough to sustain the weight of the car and further investigation has shown that although the JX5414 KYB springs can be fitted the original OE type are not tapered at all. Perhaps the tapered ones are great on a lighter car but I prefer the stiffer ones now fitted cos at least I wont get seasick again !
Frikkin small cars spoiled the ride back by doing as they always do and hogging the outside lanes while screaming along....
Nice day though Daz.......
Hope Gaz  gets his sorted cos I cannot see it was anything we did other than unplugging that ABS sensor which had to be done anyway. He could have left the bearing and just told that other silly sod that he had just got himself a  'Hummer'  :

[Darth Loo-knee]

Glad your car is now sorted Bionic
As for Gaz's car, I think it must be all that grease he smuthered everywhere that has caused the abs sensor to not get a reading fom the driveshaft. Nothing else that was done would have an effect on it..

[Webby the Bear]

Good to hear of your result. 

Might be worth noting that the broken spring that came off my car today was tapered. I replaced with some ''SACHS'' ones that have equal diameter all the way round to the end.

Sounds like the tapered ones are not appropriate  Lucky for me as I simply gave Eurocarparts my reg. number and they provided the Sachs equal diameter ones.... could have been given tapered and due to not knowing would have instralled and been none the wiser..... until they broke a week later like yours!

[feeutfo]

Seen the linear ones brake too, as well as the progressive ones.

Seems to me it's more to do with stones getting trapped between the coil and lower rubber pad. Not much can be done about that I guess.

[Bionic]

Daz  you are probably right cos the amount of grease he plastered on would have done a dozen more! Pleased I never employed anyone like Gaz even if he is a great bloke and a good laugh when I was in business or I would have soon gone bust...... Perhaps next time his supervision needs to be a little better First time I have ever seen an axe used to change a wheel bearing though so maybe he knew more than we did 
Took it out yesterday and gave it a good test over some very winding and hilly side roads with plenty of humpy bridges across the canal and it handled brilliantly. Checked it when I got up this morning (don't laugh) at 3:30 (ever tried to jack up a beast and remove wheels without making any noise?) and all was in order. Looks like that problem is now well and truly solved. Can't decry the KYB ones though cos maybe they would be ok on a lighter car than mine.
  Thanx Webby, its nice to know that my experience was useful to somone else too.
  chrisgixer's stones getting trapped between the coils? It did not apply to my spring break because when looked at the paint on the springs was undamaged and not chipped at all, plus I do not go anywhere to pick up large stones and even if I had the car would need to almost bottom out to use the stone to break it. That is somthing that I make sure I never do, even by accident.
  Ain't it great when you can drive on bendy roads without the feeling of being at sea.............

[feeutfo]

No, trapped stones between the spring and the rubber pad. Remove the springs and there are always loads of small stones trapped under there, in various sizes. Always.

It only takes one stone just bigger than the depth of the rubber pad to sit under there, with the spring bouncing up and down over it, and instantly there is a pressure point on the under side of the spring. Just is.

[Webby the Bear]

Finally managed to upload some pics 

Here's my broken spring sat next to it's passenger side brother which is not broken.... big bit missing!

[Bionic]

Nice clear pics Webby. There were no signs of any stones or stone imprints either on the top of the rubber cushions or under them on mine though. They were both looked at very, very closely and not just by myself. The daily clean off by high pressure hose, wheel arches and chassis included makes sure that there is no build up of debris anyway and the sheer weight of the car on the spring ensures that it is not possible for a stone to become lodged under the cushions and even at its most expanded size the spring still remains under compression. In my experience a fracture caused by a foreign object would generally occur directly on the stress point anyway and not at some point higher up the coil. No, I have now got the correct ones (untapered) fitted and life is great again.