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[omega3000]

Liking the look of this ....rear wheel drive too 

http://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=toyota%20gt%2086&source=video&cd=10&cad=rja&ved=0CFUQtwIwCQ&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3De_1UP29lGt0&ei=Ujk1UN72BaHX0QXK4IDgBQ&usg=AFQjCNHTRwH1EapgC_QEqU7FtduMIv-BfQ

 

[cem_devecioglu]

really modern car with a good engine.. but as I understand fuel costs force the toyota engineers to be realistic on consumpiton figures and limit the power by avoding turbo.. and no doubt it wont be slow

[ozzycat]

  nice

[omega3000]

Yes its quite nice and different , a few reports of being sluggish and needs to be thrashed to get the best out of it .... supercharger should sort that 

[aaronjb]

A friend of mine and his wife have both driven it - they're both car nuts (he's got a 911 C2S w/ PDK box, she's got a Subaru Impreza WRX w/ some kind of sport pack); her verdict was "It's just too slow to be fun"..

[mantahatch]

Looks ok, but never been a fan of that style of engine, reminds me to much of 30bhp beetle engine  I know the likes of subaru have done more with it, shame they make it sound so bad. No substitute for cylinders I am afraid.

[cem_devecioglu]

A friend of mine and his wife have both driven it - they're both car nuts (he's got a 911 C2S w/ PDK box, she's got a Subaru Impreza WRX w/ some kind of sport pack); her verdict was "It's just too slow to be fun"..

I doubt she can drive even an omega at high speed properly

[Field Marshal Dr. Opti]

Flat four. .......just like my old dad's Alfasud.

If it handles as well it will worth a closer look.

[aaronjb]

I'll just quote this bit of Dan's review, because it made me chuckle:

This is where the fun begins. I expect a rev-happy engine, one which needs to be worked hard, and one that is rewarding if you do so. I'm not immune to the previous reviews of this car, but I do try not to let my instincts cloud my judgement. All is forgotten once I hear the engine pick up past about 3500 rpm though, as I realise it must be broken. Oh crap, how on earth have I managed to break a brand-new car within 300 yards...

Oh. Wait. That noise is coming from the speakers. I had no idea that the GT86 has that awful fake engine note pumped into the cabin a la the new M5. It's utterly ridiculous, and yet you can't help but giggle. And giggle I did.

Cliffe notes on the rest of it: Interior feels like it's made of recycled ice cream tubs, ponderously slow at times, but..

Oh, this thing can drift. And slide. And slide. And drift. The tyres give up their grip at will, and you don't need to be revving the backside off the engine for this to happen either. It's very natural, almost as natural as my little mk1 MX-5, and that's really saying something. There's no snapping or sawing of the wheel as you struggle to control the mass, and even on my very first drive of this car it's obvious that they've nailed the suspension bang-on. It's not a sharp tool, and piecing together apexes isn't as natural as you would hope, but getting the car to move under your input is far more rewarding.

The Boxster and GT86 were driven on exactly the same roads in exactly the same conditions, so ignoring the £10K price differential I think it's a pretty fair comparison. The Boxster didn't wow me as much as I wanted it to, but that's because I already expected it to be brilliant. It was familiar yet unknown, and a car you'd grow to love more and more every time you drove it. The base spec of the car meant that, perhaps for the first time in my driving life, I can appreciate the engineering brilliance at Porsche. Anyone who drives this car and says it's dull or boring or rubbish is a complete idiot and doesn't know what they're talking about. It's a sharp tool when you want it to be, it's a hooligan if provoked, and it's a lovely place to relax if you want to do that too.

The GT86 was as much a disappointment as it was a revelation. For all the poor choice in materials inside, and the underpowered undercharacterised engine, I'm sitting here remembering my drive with a smile upon my face. That sound still irks me, but it's also fun and that's kinda the point of the car. The gearbox isn't great, the brakes too sharp, but when you have the control thrust eagerly into your own hands to allow you push the car at every corner, does it really matter? Toyota said they'd deliver a car that can handle like they used to, and deliver they have. There's a few other promises they've badly let us down on, but this is still a car worth investigating.

Where the Boxster would gracefully stab at a corner, the GT86 would smash through it. Where the 981 would nibble at the tarmac as you engaged the power, the Toyota would whinge a bit whilst making a racket and then eventually get on with it. Perhaps a comparison to a ballerina and an angst-ridden teenager would be apt, but only on the understanding that the teenager still has some growing up to do.

And finally..

Would I buy a GT86? I don't think so. I need to drive it again (I have another drive booked for next week), but so far there's just too much to put me off. It is good, but it's not £27K good.

(All text courtesy of Dan Morgan .. er, not that I asked him. But y'know, he likes me, so... )

[cem_devecioglu]

I'll just quote this bit of Dan's review, because it made me chuckle:

This is where the fun begins. I expect a rev-happy engine, one which needs to be worked hard, and one that is rewarding if you do so. I'm not immune to the previous reviews of this car, but I do try not to let my instincts cloud my judgement. All is forgotten once I hear the engine pick up past about 3500 rpm though, as I realise it must be broken. Oh crap, how on earth have I managed to break a brand-new car within 300 yards...

Oh. Wait. That noise is coming from the speakers. I had no idea that the GT86 has that awful fake engine note pumped into the cabin a la the new M5. It's utterly ridiculous, and yet you can't help but giggle. And giggle I did.

Cliffe notes on the rest of it: Interior feels like it's made of recycled ice cream tubs, ponderously slow at times, but..

Oh, this thing can drift. And slide. And slide. And drift. The tyres give up their grip at will, and you don't need to be revving the backside off the engine for this to happen either. It's very natural, almost as natural as my little mk1 MX-5, and that's really saying something. There's no snapping or sawing of the wheel as you struggle to control the mass, and even on my very first drive of this car it's obvious that they've nailed the suspension bang-on. It's not a sharp tool, and piecing together apexes isn't as natural as you would hope, but getting the car to move under your input is far more rewarding.

The Boxster and GT86 were driven on exactly the same roads in exactly the same conditions, so ignoring the £10K price differential I think it's a pretty fair comparison. The Boxster didn't wow me as much as I wanted it to, but that's because I already expected it to be brilliant. It was familiar yet unknown, and a car you'd grow to love more and more every time you drove it. The base spec of the car meant that, perhaps for the first time in my driving life, I can appreciate the engineering brilliance at Porsche. Anyone who drives this car and says it's dull or boring or rubbish is a complete idiot and doesn't know what they're talking about. It's a sharp tool when you want it to be, it's a hooligan if provoked, and it's a lovely place to relax if you want to do that too.

The GT86 was as much a disappointment as it was a revelation. For all the poor choice in materials inside, and the underpowered undercharacterised engine, I'm sitting here remembering my drive with a smile upon my face. That sound still irks me, but it's also fun and that's kinda the point of the car. The gearbox isn't great, the brakes too sharp, but when you have the control thrust eagerly into your own hands to allow you push the car at every corner, does it really matter? Toyota said they'd deliver a car that can handle like they used to, and deliver they have. There's a few other promises they've badly let us down on, but this is still a car worth investigating.

Where the Boxster would gracefully stab at a corner, the GT86 would smash through it. Where the 981 would nibble at the tarmac as you engaged the power, the Toyota would whinge a bit whilst making a racket and then eventually get on with it. Perhaps a comparison to a ballerina and an angst-ridden teenager would be apt, but only on the understanding that the teenager still has some growing up to do.

And finally..

Would I buy a GT86? I don't think so. I need to drive it again (I have another drive booked for next week), but so far there's just too much to put me off. It is good, but it's not £27K good.

(All text courtesy of Dan Morgan .. er, not that I asked him. But y'know, he likes me, so... )

Aaron the car he doesnt like costs here 53K euro with basic conf.. although if I had that money I would buy a second hand m3, but I wouldnt say no for this toyota at a fair price..

[aaronjb]

I think that's Dan's major problem with it - the price.. it's not a 'bad' car as he says, it's just not worth nearly £30k considering what else you can get for that money; as you say, an E92 M3 just about falls into that territory (I think, certainly a late E46 does), or a 911 (high mileage 997 or a good 996, heck even a 993 or 964 if you're lucky)..

[cem_devecioglu]

the thing that makes this car expensive  is its fans in Japan.. there are many boys with deep pockets who are willing to pay any price for that car.. so exports are limited (may be for now) and price goes up..

[Field Marshal Dr. Opti]

Similar to an RX-8 in many respects.

£25,000-ish when new.

RWD.....LSD

Coupe looks but seats four.......more so in RX-8

Weedy torque deficient engine can't make the most of the chassis.

Suitable for girlies.

Japanese.

Revs it's balls off but nothing much happens.


Not one for me.

[omega3000]

Similar to an RX-8 in many respects.

£25,000-ish when new.

RWD.....LSD

Coupe looks but seats four.......more so in RX-8

Weedy torque deficient engine can't make the most of the chassis.

Suitable for girlies.

Japanese.

Revs it's balls off but nothing much happens.


Not one for me.

Dread and dam ill have to get my deposit back now 

[Field Marshal Dr. Opti]

Similar to an RX-8 in many respects.

£25,000-ish when new.

RWD.....LSD

Coupe looks but seats four.......more so in RX-8

Weedy torque deficient engine can't make the most of the chassis.

Suitable for girlies.

Japanese.

Revs it's balls off but nothing much happens.


Not one for me.

Dread and dam ill have to get my deposit back now 

....or wear a wig and dress.