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Anders Behring Breivik - sane and 21 years sentence
« on: 24 August 2012, 13:54:50 »

Well the chap has been declared sane and sentenced to 21 years in prison. That appears to be the Norwegian maximum and for normal people who perhaps did a murder on the spur of the moment and who repented might be about right.

I find that quite strange. To me anyone who could plan mass murder and the diversion to boot and then carry it out is unlikely to ever be safe back in the community. I don't know what the Norwegian system is for early release or parole but I suspect 21 years in Britain would be about 10 with good behavious etc. Maybe they will keep reviewing his sentence and keep him in.

What do our Norwegian forum members think?
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Re: Anders Behring Breivik - sane and 21 years sentence
« Reply #1 on: 24 August 2012, 14:05:53 »

Norweigen law allows for sentences to be extended if the person is still deemed to be a threat.

I don't think he was 'insane' - from the pictures, his pre crime and post crime comments, he seemed to be totally in control of his views and his actions. Whether or not his views are 'sane' in a modern, civilised world are debatable, but his actions certainly are not.

He had issues with multiculturalism. His fear was that other cultures (Islamic in particular IIRC) would take over the native culture. I think thats a valid viewpoint. Not necessarily right or wrong, just valid. His actions, like that of the Nazis in the mid/late 30s, are totally wrong. IMHO.
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Re: Anders Behring Breivik - sane and 21 years sentence
« Reply #2 on: 24 August 2012, 15:25:07 »

Is it possible to be sane and kill so many people for no rational reason?

Personally, I think he is a tanner short of a shilling. Totally devoid of compassion, empathy and emotion. :(


Same goes for that Austrian fruitcake who kept his daughter locked in a sound-proof cellar for twenty-two years and made her pregnant several times.........his name eludes me. :(

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Re: Anders Behring Breivik - sane and 21 years sentence
« Reply #3 on: 24 August 2012, 15:41:56 »

Is it possible to be sane and kill so many people for no rational reason?

Personally, I think he is a tanner short of a shilling. Totally devoid of compassion, empathy and emotion. :(

That doesn't make him mad just calculating and extemely dangerous :( :(

I've got to agree with TB in his last paragraph :y
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Re: Anders Behring Breivik - sane and 21 years sentence
« Reply #4 on: 24 August 2012, 19:43:14 »

Is it possible to be sane and kill so many people for no rational reason?

Personally, I think he is a tanner short of a shilling. Totally devoid of compassion, empathy and emotion. :(


Same goes for that Austrian fruitcake who kept his daughter locked in a sound-proof cellar for twenty-two years and made her pregnant several times.........his name eludes me. :(

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Re: Anders Behring Breivik - sane and 21 years sentence
« Reply #5 on: 24 August 2012, 20:34:25 »

The question of sanity or insanity is a moot point. Indeed there have been two assessments of Breivik, which have reached diametrically opposed conclusions.

There is little question that the vast majority of people act in a social manner, acknowledging the existence and rights of others. Such people largely accept the need for lawful behaviour, are able to establish personal relationships, accept responsibility, and naturally display empathy and compassion for others.

There are a small minority of humans, however, who have genuine and complex personality disorders. They do not see life and society as you or I would see them.

Are these people insane? I am no psychologist and I am thus unable to define insanity, or sanity for that matter. Nevertheless whatever term you use (and I appreciate there may be legal requirements to pigeon hole an individual for the sake of determining the manner of punishment) I would simply class them as evil. Was Hitler mad (insane) or evil? Certainly, in his own warped way, he achieved a great deal for himself and his cronies during the early part of the Nazi era and there may be some who would say he could not have achieved that if he had been insane. But evil and with compassion, he most certainly was. 

I looked up this online:

Schizotypal Personality Disorder

Characterised by abnormal or bizarre ways of thinking, people with Schizotypal personality disorder will often isolate themselves from others. In some cases they may believe they have extra sensory powers or believe they can influence the world and make things happen. Some researchers believe Schizotypal personality disorder is a mild version of schizophrenia, but without full-blown psychosis.

- Sound familiar in this case?
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Re: Anders Behring Breivik - sane and 21 years sentence
« Reply #6 on: 24 August 2012, 21:09:09 »

I can't believe he only got 21 years!  :o Even if Norwegian law allows that to be extended, what sort of message does that send out??  :-\

Imagine the outcry if he'd murdered 77 people here in Britain and only got 21 years!  ???
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« Reply #7 on: 24 August 2012, 21:23:04 »

There are people in the uk who murdered many people (possibly even as many as 77 in one or two cases) who not only served a lot less than 21 years but who have been made ministers of a UK government. :-X
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Re: Anders Behring Breivik - sane and 21 years sentence
« Reply #8 on: 24 August 2012, 21:49:19 »

Mark Chapman has just had his parole turned down for the 4th time after nearly 24 years for sticking a round in a tree hugging pop star  :(

As for Breivik, I can understand a hell of alot of what he is saying BUT destroying the lifes of 77 people of whom 33 was under the age of 18 is imo totally sick  :(
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« Reply #9 on: 24 August 2012, 21:55:22 »

21 years ..too much torture for both sides.. single bullet will ease everyones pain ;D
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« Reply #10 on: 24 August 2012, 21:57:24 »

russians..  so practical ;D
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Re: Anders Behring Breivik - sane and 21 years sentence
« Reply #11 on: 24 August 2012, 21:58:35 »

There are people in the uk who murdered many people (possibly even as many as 77 in one or two cases) who not only served a lot less than 21 years but who have been made ministers of a UK government. :-X


Aah yes son, it's wonderful the leeway semantics affords in such cases - the term 'freedom fighters' covers a multitude of sins and does wonders to ameliorate the conscience of those who rejoice in its use - should one exist in the first place of course.
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Re: Anders Behring Breivik - sane and 21 years sentence
« Reply #12 on: 24 August 2012, 22:04:59 »

21 years ..too much torture for both sides.. single bullet will ease everyones pain ;D



Nah, just use a rope  ;)
Enviromently friendly and totally reuseable  :)
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Re: Anders Behring Breivik - sane and 21 years sentence
« Reply #13 on: 24 August 2012, 22:07:41 »

21 years ..too much torture for both sides.. single bullet will ease everyones pain ;D



Nah, just use a rope  ;)
Enviromently friendly and totally reuseable  :)

uhh.. thats a bit prehistoric and I can hear the breaking neck bones and too slow.. :( 
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Re: Anders Behring Breivik - sane and 21 years sentence
« Reply #14 on: 24 August 2012, 22:33:35 »

His actions can't be justified but any response against an overbearing, arrogant, "we know better than you", oppressive ideology such as the Labour party's ideology (it was a labour party camp he attacked) isn't really surprising.

There is nothing wrong with being right wing. Right wing has been associated with extremism in the same way the St. George's flag has been associated with football hooliganism (left wing establishment and BBC to thank for that.

It should make western European governments wake up and smell the coffee, but it won't. No they're too busy snuggling up to an un democratic left wing and corrupt superstate idea, which incidentally is right up their street, because they'll then be able to control us much more efficiently and on a bigger scale.

Makes me wonder what's worse, the EU or Islamic domination.
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