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[omega3000]

Turn the sound up simples VULCAN

A graceful bird , will be sadly missed 

[ozzycat]

  bloody awsome

[Seth]

Truly a national treasure!

[omegod]

Had the pleasure of having my fillings rattled by this baby at full throttle, 

[omega3000]

I wondered if Entwood ever flew this , never had a chance to see a flypast in person but the noise from it is amazing 

[Entwood]

I wondered if Entwood ever flew this , never had a chance to see a flypast in person but the noise from it is amazing 

Never flew it or in it unfortunately, but have stood extremely close to 4 of them doing a practice scramble when they patrolled with nukes during the cold war years... by god was that noisy and impressive... 

It is sad that she will fly no more, but it was always going to happen, just a shame that human error has made it happen a couple of years earlier than it might have been.

[omega3000]

Oh what button to press 

[tigers_gonads]

I wondered if Entwood ever flew this , never had a chance to see a flypast in person but the noise from it is amazing 

Never flew it or in it unfortunately, but have stood extremely close to 4 of them doing a practice scramble when they patrolled with nukes during the cold war years... by god was that noisy and impressive... 

It is sad that she will fly no more, but it was always going to happen, just a shame that human error has made it happen a couple of years earlier than it might have been.

Beat me to it 

Remember when I was on a week long camp at Scampton when I was in the space cadets 78 / 79 ish.

We was took across to a pan where 4 of the buggers where.
Tannoy gives the order and all 4 "crash started" at the same time.
Non of us had ear defenders or anything.
It wasn't so much the volume BUT the way the sound hit you in the back and kidneys.
I could swear some of the smaller lads was bounced across the pan by the vibrations 

[omega3000]

Maybe its the angle of that picture but it looks like you cant see much straight ahead  side view looks ok though . Wonder if its as noisy inside as it is out 

[Kevin Wood]

I wonder how many of the crew would have been redundant if that GPS nav system had been in the panel from day one? 

[andyc]

Couple of photos taken by a friend of mine







Andy

[Entwood]

I wonder how many of the crew would have been redundant if that GPS nav system had been in the panel from day one? 

Possibly only one ...  the navigator !!!, however, even when GPS  was in its infancy, and laser gyro's were the "norm" for accurate measurement, the navigator role was still being pushed as a requirement due to the belief that the "enemy" would be able to either turn off/destroy/influence their effectiveness, so a man with a map and stopwatch to do "DR" was essential.

A secondary reason was the requirement for a minimum 3 man cockpit, pilot, copilot and one other .. the idea being that one man might go "rogue", he "might" influence another, but 3 people would be "safe" an all three would have to work together to arm and release the nuke.

The actual crew was 5 ... pilot, copilot up where that picture shows, and "down below" in a seperate compartment, the Nav Plotter, Nav Radar and Electronics Officer - the latter two were responsible for getting through enemy defences.

[omega3000]

Great pictures Andyc 

[Kevin Wood]

I wonder how many of the crew would have been redundant if that GPS nav system had been in the panel from day one? 

Possibly only one ...  the navigator !!!, however, even when GPS  was in its infancy, and laser gyro's were the "norm" for accurate measurement, the navigator role was still being pushed as a requirement due to the belief that the "enemy" would be able to either turn off/destroy/influence their effectiveness, so a man with a map and stopwatch to do "DR" was essential.

A secondary reason was the requirement for a minimum 3 man cockpit, pilot, copilot and one other .. the idea being that one man might go "rogue", he "might" influence another, but 3 people would be "safe" an all three would have to work together to arm and release the nuke.

The actual crew was 5 ... pilot, copilot up where that picture shows, and "down below" in a seperate compartment, the Nav Plotter, Nav Radar and Electronics Officer - the latter two were responsible for getting through enemy defences.

Yes, I guess so. Even a private pilot would be daft to use GPS as more than a convenience in peacetime, let alone a military attack aircraft in a nuclear war.

[Entwood]

Kev .. doesn't even need a nuke .. the GPS satellites can (and used to be) programmed to give a "false" reading by whatever distance the controllers wish ... in order to get the "true" position a decoded signal had to be used via a special unit. This was the norm back in the early days (Kuwait Invasion/Gulf War 1) and was designed to stop the "enemy" using your own satelites against you.

It only ended when commercial aircraft started to use the system to such a large extent, as the fear of two aircraft colliding due to both having an incorrect datum suddenly became too large.

There is still a military mode and a civilian mode, but I'm too long out if it to fully know the details, but my guess is the "civilian" side is not protected against "spoofing" or "jamming"