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[Nickbat]

The veil over the BBC is being truly lifted:

How the BBC decided upon climate change policy:

http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/sebastian-payne/2012/11/revealed-who-decides-the-bbcs-climate-change-policy/

A list of green activists...oh and the Head of Comedy (you couldn't make it up).

How the BBC editor expresses his political neutrality:

http://order-order.com/2012/11/13/bbc-editor-tories-are-lower-than-vermin/

How a member of the BBC Trust decided on Entwistle's pay-off:

http://order-order.com/2012/11/13/chuka-adviser-agreed-entwistle-pay-off-while-watching-strictly/

And we're all paying for this? 

The time is approaching for a radical overhaul, methinks.

[MaxV6]

oh do get a grip,    or better yet  a life.....



take any organisation  the size of the beeb and there are going to be bits that aren't quite as shiny and golden and perfect as ideal...


the head of comedy.

is still a manager,  NOT a oppsIN G COMEDIAN

BBC editor,.....    well,  he's right,  so what?


are managers and directors not allowed to multi task then?

i do a LOT of stuff while "watching telly"   much of it work related,   none of it impacted by what happens to be on the box at the time.


take your BBC bashing soap box and shove it where the sun don;t shine


(PS,  however,  i suspect a crank sensor would be more use)

[Nickbat]

oh do get a grip,    or better yet  a life.....



take any organisation  the size of the beeb and there are going to be bits that aren't quite as shiny and golden and perfect as ideal...


the head of comedy.

is still a manager,  NOT a oppsIN G COMEDIAN

BBC editor,.....    well,  he's right,  so what?


are managers and directors not allowed to multi task then?

i do a LOT of stuff while "watching telly"   much of it work related,   none of it impacted by what happens to be on the box at the time.


take your BBC bashing soap box and shove it where the sun don;t shine


(PS,  however,  i suspect a crank sensor would be more use)

Quite the most obnoxious response to a post I have encountered in my many years on here. Sets a new benchmark for discourtesy.

 

[MaxV6]

(in the interests of bias declaration,  signed   one Ex Beeb engineer......  )


(who has also worked for other broadcasters,  and still does.....  on a contracted out, freelance basis.....  i have seen it from inside, outside, and in-between,    you, your kind, and the accountants ruined a genuinely unique and important beacon of excellence in broadcast and media production......   )

in 20-30 years time, or thereabouts,  the UK will be incapable of mounting events on the scale of the olympics,  or any other global event,  without hiring in expensive foreign services......    because everyone properly capable, qualified, and experienced,  from the UK,  will have retired....     because the BBC was the training centre for virtually the entire industry.     

and is currently having to hire back their previously MUCH cheaper senior tech&training staff as outside contractors, to fulfil it's contractual obligations to foreign national broadcasters for training purposes.... costing it between 5 and 10 times what their salary was....

sadly,  this training of foreign broadcasters (to which the BBC were signed up by diplomatic missions of the government.....  )   is not largely being delivered in the UK.

anyone competent and willing to work for them is being gobbled up by Sky, and it's subcontractors.

who are paying more than the BBC can ..... under the rules set out by successive accountant and "bleeding licence fee" whiners

[MaxV6]

if you set out to vilify ,  prepare to get equally uncivil responses.




(i am admittedly  a grump today, but Beeb bashing has always been a pet hate,   and i do mean hate.....  so the response is going to be brusque no matter what mood i was in before i read it.  )


i also note you have no rebuttal other than to moan about the tone.

[Lizzie_Zoom]

The veil over the BBC is being truly lifted:

How the BBC decided upon climate change policy:

http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/sebastian-payne/2012/11/revealed-who-decides-the-bbcs-climate-change-policy/

A list of green activists...oh and the Head of Comedy (you couldn't make it up).

How the BBC editor expresses his political neutrality:

http://order-order.com/2012/11/13/bbc-editor-tories-are-lower-than-vermin/

How a member of the BBC Trust decided on Entwistle's pay-off:

http://order-order.com/2012/11/13/chuka-adviser-agreed-entwistle-pay-off-while-watching-strictly/

And we're all paying for this? 

The time is approaching for a radical overhaul, methinks.

......and that in fairness is what Chris Patton has stated needs to happen

[TheBoy]

The beeb has gone a bit wrong over the last couple of decades, and that has impacted its (supposedly) neutrality.

The entire news and current affairs departments are over sensationalising things, hence the most recent cock-up.

The light entertainment has headed more towards trash-tv, moving away from quality dramas and documentaries.


In reality, we need to look at society. We have bred a generation of inbreds who get off on the latest sensation, or think Knobenders is reality. The beeb are (wrongly!!) giving the customer what generates viewers.



MaxV6 - calm it done. You are perfectly entitled to your opinion, which is a perfectly valid and probably correct viewpoint, but try to express it in a way that doesn't come over as aggression towards a specific member(s).

[albitz]

Trouble is Patten is completely unfit for the purpose of doing it (and unfit for most other things too)> He has had a long running hatred of Lord McAlpine (which is mutual) and has admitted he knew about the newsnight report before it was broadcast but didnt think it was worth mentioning it to the DG.Maybe he was hoping to stitch McAlpine up ?
His career has been a long list of failings,he has never succeeeded at anything other than inexplicably  maneuvering himself into yet another high profile well paid position.
Simon Heffer wrote a rather telling article on him today.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-2231532/BBC-crisis-The-40-year-grudge-match-Lords-Patten-McAlpine.html

We often hear that the BBC is the greatest broadcasting institution in the world.If this is the case why then dont we  just let it loose in the commercial world where it would surely make an absolute fortune at the expense of the competition thus generating all the revenue it needs to be as creative as it wants to be ?
Imo the reality is that it was once very great indeed,but increasingly it has become infested with people with a left wing agenda  (despite its legal obligation to be be neutral and unbiased) and they have all but destroyed it from the inside out.
It has been a criminal waste of a once great British institution unfortunately.

[TheBoy]

We often hear that the BBC is the greatest broadcasting institution in the world.If this is the case why then dont we  just let it loose in the commercial world where it would surely make an absolute fortune at the expense of the competition thus generating all the revenue it needs to be as creative as it wants to be ?

Because it will become the same dross as the rest of the broadcasters - although its a long way down that road already.

Imo the reality is that it was once very great indeed,but increasingly it has become infested with people with a left wing agenda

Well, you've tripped over your own argument there, as the chairman of the BBC Trust, much hated by yourself (and others) is Tory...

[albitz]

The wettest  most left leaning excuse for a Tory there ever was,who was a major player in the removal of Thatcher, and was rewarded greatly for his efforts by John Major.Theres Tories and theres Tories,as the present lot are amply demonstrating.
When he lost his seat the Tories at central office apparently shouted " a conservative gain" when it was announced on TV.

More intersting reading from Simon Heffer.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-2232062/Was-BBCs-blind-hatred-Thatcher-blame-Lord-McAlpine-smear.html

" In 2006 Andrew Marr said that the BBC is not impartial or neutral.It is a publicly funded urban organisation with an abnormally large number of young people,ethnic minorities and gay people. It has a liberal bias".

[Nickbat]

if you set out to vilify ,  prepare to get equally uncivil responses.




(i am admittedly  a grump today, but Beeb bashing has always been a pet hate,   and i do mean hate.....  so the response is going to be brusque no matter what mood i was in before i read it.  )


i also note you have no rebuttal other than to moan about the tone.

I was so taken aback by your rudeness that I was in no mood to prepare a rebuttal, but since you ask, here goes:

The BBC is unique in the way it is funded. By virtue of the fact that it is a public service broadcaster, it is bound by its Charter. I contend that on top of the recent events concerning Savile and Newsnight, the links I provided show that the BBC has lost its way as a public service broadcaster. To wit: The Corporation claimed that its meeting back in 2006, which established its editorial approach to climate change was a meeting of top climate scientists. However, it refused to answer FOI request for a list of delegates and even spent thousands on lawyers to ensure it was not revealed. Now that the list has reached the public domain, we can see that it was not a meeting of climate scientists, but rather green activists (and the Head of Comedy).

As far as the role of the person who decided on the DG's pay out, it is not a question of multitasking. As a school governor, I can assure you that any similar situation involving a member of staff would entail a full discussion lasting a good deal of time. The size of the payout and the political furore that has followed clearly indicates that any decision to spray out £450k of public money should not have been taken without a full discussion, which I frankly do not think could done whilst having one eye on Strictly.

As far as the Africa editor's views on the Tory Party are concerned, it is important - in my view - that those who are given such responsible positions at the BBC should be politically neutral (or savvy enough to keep their mouth shut when talking to the press).

Finally, we have the Balen Report. Why has the BBC refused to publish its findings?

I was not, and this should have been blindingly obvious, casting criticism towards the many technical staff and others who are able to put out extremely high quality output in many cases. What I AM bashing the BBC about is it's blatant mismanagement, political bias, and all-round cavalier attitude to what is effectively public money. The fact that you point a finger at "bleeding licence fee whiners" shows utter contempt for those who are forced by law to pay for a service, yet treated with disdain should they remark on the service they are receiving.

I still, however, consider your initial response to be extremely rude.              

[geoffr70]

Well said Nickbat! 

[2boxerdogs]

Indeed well said , no need for such a rude response  earlier.

[STMO123]

Left wingers pay their license fee too.

[cem_devecioglu]

statistically , if you take any test group from a British community,
 
although varying, bigger portion is always rightwing even if they vote labor.. I'm serious!
 
   may be I'm too much on the left