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[Nickbat]

Exports from the UK to the rest of the EU are now at 38% of the total and falling fast,so the potential problem is shrinking.
Perhaps us Brits need a bit of reminding/educating,that protectionism needs to be a two way street.
I see your point though.Political awareness in the UK is at an all time low,and many people are completely disinterested in anything but themselves and who is going to win X factor etc.
We should also remember that people such as Heseltine and Mandelson (who has jumpped on the bandwagon today) who are saying that leaving the EU would be ruinous for British business etc. in every possible way,said exactly the same thing when they were insisting that we needed to abolish the pound sterling and replace it with the Euro.
They were wrong in every posssible way then,and are still wrong now.

What you have to remember is that Mandelson CANNOT by contract brief against the project, even if he wanted to (which he doesn't of course) otherwise he would lose his pension. His obvious conflict of interest makes me dismiss anything he says about the EU. 

[Rods2]

Here is a question for yeh, can we actually just leave ?

Wasn't there something in the lisbon treaty about any referendom being invalled unless we apply the brussels for permision first ?

We have to invoke Article 50 of the Lisbon treaty. The EU is then obliged to negotiate a trade agreement with us if we so desire. Which we obviously would, as the single market is the only decent thing to come out of the EEC / EU that really did boost trade and efficiency at the time. Subsequent EU industrial and social policy and directives killed any gains years a go. 

For those that are interested, here is the exact wording:

http://www.lisbon-treaty.org/wcm/the-lisbon-treaty/treaty-on-european-union-and-comments/title-6-final-provisions/137-article-50.html

[Rods2]

The majority of the UK establishment, the EU, the US and most European countries will intensify their attacks on us that, where we want to leave. It is in THEIR interests, not ours for us to remain shackled to the corpse of the EU.

Once we are free and can roll back their strangling socialist regulations, lower industry costs and unemployment, then they will really be looking over their shoulders to see who is going to join us. This will be most of Eastern and Southern Europe and this is what really worries them. This is why they want to keep all 17 countries in the Euro whatever the cost. The problem is that the cost of propping up Southern Europe will be so ruinous on Northern Europe it will drag them down as well.

All the while we can be happily exporting to rapidly growing countries, the BRICS and what we can to the ever declining impoverished nations of the EU. 

[albitz]

Meanwhile,in the lords,the Limpdems have just stabbed Camoron in the back by voting down changes to constituency boundaries,which Labour rejigged heavily in their own favour.This might just have handed Labour the next election on a plate.

[Rods2]

Meanwhile,in the lords,the Limpdems have just stabbed Camoron in the back by voting down changes to constituency boundaries,which Labour rejigged heavily in their own favour.This might just have handed Labour the next election on a plate.

No surprise there as LimpDems natural home is in a Labour coalition. Mind you you need MPs to form a coalition and I will be surprised if they have any after the next election.  I think the Cons will be defeated anyway as the right vote is split between them and UKIP unless UKIP attract enough disaffected Labour voters, who would never vote Tory and UKIP can also reconnect with the 37% who don't normally vote where they say it makes no difference, by putting forward a strong case on why they are different to the ConsLimpsLabs. Now that really would make 2015 interesting and a real fight.

Success breeds success and if UKIP as expected do well in the European elections, so a vote for them is not seen as a wated vote, then it will be squeaky bum time for Cameron and makes 2015, with Barosso's FSE treaty expected at the same time, very interesting.

Remember a week in politics is a long time!