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Should winter tyres be made compulsory?

No
- 34 (82.9%)
Yes, when the roads are covered in snow
- 1 (2.4%)
Yes, from the end of October to the beginning of March
- 6 (14.6%)
Don't know
- 0 (0%)

Total Members Voted: 26

Voting closed: 25 January 2013, 21:19:08


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Re: Winter Tyres
« Reply #135 on: 20 January 2013, 10:45:31 »

I should point out that the only serious issue I've had with getting stuck/completely uncontrolled on SC5s this year, winters wouldn't have helped.

But that does not detract from the fact that winters are designed for better grip at low temperatures.


To sort this, once and for all, once student is back, I'll slap his wheels on the bullet on a cold day, and compare.
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Re: Winter Tyres
« Reply #136 on: 20 January 2013, 10:46:57 »

It's their own figures though. ::)
But not valid.

Clearly it shows summer tyres are better in warm conditions. No shit, sherlock, its what they are designed for.
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Re: Winter Tyres
« Reply #137 on: 20 January 2013, 10:53:04 »

I can see the benefit of winter tyres, I really can. But I don't see the point in legislation ;)

Now I have a spare set of wheels I'll be considering them (in the summer when prices come down ::)) but have been impressed with the performance of the "budget" tyres I have now, although they are new ;)

But, for the main, people don't have the space (or ability for some) to have 2 sets of wheels and change them over.

I've never used winter tyres so all in my opinion but I do agree with Chris that, in general, we don't desperately need them. Unfortunately, there are too many (I'd say at least 65%) cars on the road that just have the cheapest bit of round rubber fitted to them and these are far more dangerous! Having the extra grip yourself is, as we all know, only a small part of the story as its the other vehicles that are going to hit you that cause the problems ;)
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Re: Winter Tyres
« Reply #138 on: 20 January 2013, 10:53:41 »

I still don't think it's worth it, personally.

As said, AGAIN, if I had auto grips or similar as a summer tyres, as a marker or a base line or average of summer tyre performance, then there would be a case.

But on decent summer tyres, your TT being an even better "marker" so to speak, and given our actual weather, sorry I don't see it.

Crap summer tyres are way more dangerous IMO.
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Re: Winter Tyres
« Reply #139 on: 20 January 2013, 11:01:11 »

And I didn't see your edit.

I'll give you a fortnight of winter tyre weather so far. But that's within the realm of a decent summer tyre. If we're talking auto grip then I'd give you about 9months of winter.

You see my point?

Edit typo.

Have you tried a decent winter tyre to compare with though? If you haven't, then there isnt any point discussing it. If you truly have and don't feel that there is a difference, then I totally understand where you are coming from.

I have no doubt someone who tries them will not look back.. :y
I know someone here that did look back! At where he'd come from. :-X

you cant be serious or "this someone" ???
i'm deadly serious, although this is memory dependant so maybe I am mistaken ;D

He's a member here, and I'm fairly sure he's a very competent driver.



Btw, have you seen prices and stopping distances on winter tyres currently? Uk sites so maybe not.

Yes 'twas I.

http://www.omegaowners.com/forum/index.php?topic=98255.0

I would happily try a full set of new Winter Tyres as there really must have been something amiss with the ones I had on the rear. Unfortunately I simply don't have the available funds to do this so this year the DTi has been left on it's normal wheels and tyres and so far has coped absolutely fine. (Which reminds me, the rears are down to 2mm  ::) )

The SC3's on my V6 have been superb though.... mind you it hasn't been off the driveway in four weeks  ;D
 
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Re: Winter Tyres
« Reply #140 on: 20 January 2013, 11:07:12 »

And I didn't see your edit.

I'll give you a fortnight of winter tyre weather so far. But that's within the realm of a decent summer tyre. If we're talking auto grip then I'd give you about 9months of winter.

You see my point?

Edit typo.

Have you tried a decent winter tyre to compare with though? If you haven't, then there isnt any point discussing it. If you truly have and don't feel that there is a difference, then I totally understand where you are coming from.

I have no doubt someone who tries them will not look back.. :y
I know someone here that did look back! At where he'd come from. :-X

you cant be serious or "this someone" ???
i'm deadly serious, although this is memory dependant so maybe I am mistaken ;D

He's a member here, and I'm fairly sure he's a very competent driver.



Btw, have you seen prices and stopping distances on winter tyres currently? Uk sites so maybe not.

Yes 'twas I.

http://www.omegaowners.com/forum/index.php?topic=98255.0

I would happily try a full set of new Winter Tyres as there really must have been something amiss with the ones I had on the rear. Unfortunately I simply don't have the available funds to do this so this year the DTi has been left on it's normal wheels and tyres and so far has coped absolutely fine. (Which reminds me, the rears are down to 2mm  ::) )

The SC3's on my V6 have been superb though.... mind you it hasn't been off the driveway in four weeks  ;D
 
leave it on the drive if its snowing mate, seriously. Did I mention sc3 are crap in snow. Think I may have done, once or twice. ;D
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Re: Winter Tyres
« Reply #141 on: 20 January 2013, 11:18:16 »

some mean temperatures for UK
http://www.kwik-fit.com/why-fit-winter-tyres.asp
 
"In fact, most of the country has ground frost for 40 out of the 90 days of winter - with first frost falling in Aberdeen in Mid October down to Southampton being Mid November."
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Re: Winter Tyres
« Reply #142 on: 20 January 2013, 11:19:57 »

some mean temperatures for UK
http://www.kwik-fit.com/why-fit-winter-tyres.asp
 
"In fact, most of the country has ground frost for 40 out of the 90 days of winter - with first frost falling in Aberdeen in Mid October down to Southampton being Mid November."

Yes but if you let Kwik Fit fit the winter tyres you'd be safer to walk back home afterwards!
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Re: Winter Tyres
« Reply #143 on: 20 January 2013, 11:20:23 »

10 peneth worth I'm with gixer on this +1.
 why spend £200 on somthing that you are only going to use for 8 maybe 9 weeks of the year.
Yes i have experienced traction problems with my avons 234/45/17, if i was going to germany,Scandinavia or somewhere it is law to fit them then yes,the other negitive for them in england is there temperature range,considering we can go from +14 to -5 in two days and winter tyres work best at +3 and below,why bother.
 Its a bit like why does Jemima who lives in Chelsea need a range rover for the school run!
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Re: Winter Tyres
« Reply #144 on: 20 January 2013, 11:22:32 »

some mean temperatures for UK
http://www.kwik-fit.com/why-fit-winter-tyres.asp
 
"In fact, most of the country has ground frost for 40 out of the 90 days of winter - with first frost falling in Aberdeen in Mid October down to Southampton being Mid November."

Yes but if you let Kwik Fit fit the winter tyres you'd be safer to walk back home afterwards!

 ;D  thats another story :y
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Re: Winter Tyres
« Reply #145 on: 20 January 2013, 11:25:19 »

leaving the cost factor aside , would you use them if given free ?
 
I definitely would.. it snows or not.. thats the point..
 
 
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Re: Winter Tyres
« Reply #146 on: 20 January 2013, 11:30:27 »

as I haven't seen a winter tyre with a braking rating higher than a C, most are D/E. sc3 are B in the wet on mine iirc. A on standard sizes.
You are missing the point - or "doing a Cem" ;D. You are comparing warm, wet braking. Not cold braking. So not a valid comparison.

That made me chuckle.
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Re: Winter Tyres
« Reply #147 on: 20 January 2013, 11:32:05 »

10 peneth worth I'm with gixer on this +1.
 why spend £200 on somthing that you are only going to use for 8 maybe 9 weeks of the year.
I agree I'd rather see people spend more on 'normal' tyres.  Although in reality, in the UK, the winter tyres are good for 5yrs (or more, if you are prepared to go beyond the 5yr limit), so its not so much of an outlay when looked at that way - a tenner per year, per corner when spread over 5 years.

But when we can't encourage people to use decent rubber in the summer, I think we're on a loser.


Education is key, as I've said. Take Mr Gixer - I'll pick on him because he has been the most vocal - he has not tried winters, yet happily accepts that (snow aside) SC3s are better...
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Re: Winter Tyres
« Reply #148 on: 20 January 2013, 11:35:58 »

Also winter tyres is a very good way for the tyre companys/manufacturers to make some more money from gullible english southerners, :)
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Re: Winter Tyres
« Reply #149 on: 20 January 2013, 11:41:06 »

Also winter tyres is a very good way for the tyre companys/manufacturers to make some more money from gullible english southerners, :)
They aren't going to miss an opportunity ;D

However, lets say you had a 4x4, that for 2 months of the year you used heavily off-road.

Would you:
1) have road tyres, and use them off road
2) have off road tyres only, all year
3) use offroad tyres just for those 2 months
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