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Re: Welding an alloy wheel
« Reply #45 on: 01 February 2013, 20:01:45 »

I don't think anyone (apart from Entwood with his large IMHOs) disputes that this wheel cannot be successfully repaired by an experienced and competant welder.  As said above a quality weld is likely to be stronger than the original.  The argument appears to hinge around the subsequent use of the repaired wheel, and that is very much a matter of personal opinion.

I personally wouldn't like to trust a repaired alloy, others would - their opinion.

As said the OP has made his choice and as he suggests the matter should be closed.
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Re: Welding an alloy wheel
« Reply #46 on: 01 February 2013, 20:23:56 »

Its clearly been bodged in the past but anybody handy with a TIG could easily do a good reliable and safe repair on that.

It needs V-ing out to get full penetration and a hole drilling and welding to ensure the crack won't progress.

Bottom line is its no more dangerous then a good weld repair on a chassis
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Re: Welding an alloy wheel
« Reply #47 on: 01 February 2013, 22:20:56 »

I should add that many race wheels are welded from new without ndt.

Further to this, you would be surprised how many casting defects are fixed using such methods on new alloys and other similar parts
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Re: Welding an alloy wheel
« Reply #48 on: 01 February 2013, 22:48:49 »

Yet it still failed. ::)

We're not talking about a new wheel though. It's not a question of is it possible to weld. It's a question of is this particular wheel safe...? By nature if a wheel has a bend in it, say its hit a brick, enough to crack the metal there's two other points where the rim had to bend in either side to allow it to happen, for example. Ok, bend it straight fill with weld. Make it round. But it's a bodged weld in this case presumably, with a good chance of two more elsewhere it seems to me.

I'd want to see that wheel stripped completely to the metal. One bodged repair, to two. 3 maybe? Filler under the paint? It might be fine and the pic shows the full extent of it, but who honestly knows what's gone on with that wheel....? Nobody, that's who.

Opinion asked for, opinion given. :) although possibly not fully explained at the start, who'd of thought it would get this much attention? But there we are. :)




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Re: Welding an alloy wheel
« Reply #49 on: 01 February 2013, 22:53:25 »

Although... The op's question is straightforward. To be fair. :)
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Re: Welding an alloy wheel
« Reply #50 on: 01 February 2013, 22:58:08 »

I should add that many race wheels are welded from new without ndt.

Further to this, you would be surprised how many casting defects are fixed using such methods on new alloys and other similar parts
Have to aggree with mark on this,seen race car wheels tig welded many times and when they get tw+ted by the driver and are removed the welds have always been fine,proper welding adds strength, why do you think rally cars n saloons are seam welded.
 Yes a baddley welded part is no good but a properally welded one is just as strong if not stronger as you are adding materail.
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Re: Welding an alloy wheel
« Reply #51 on: 01 February 2013, 23:48:59 »

I don't think anyone (apart from Entwood with his large IMHOs) disputes that this wheel cannot be successfully repaired by an experienced and competant welder.  As said above a quality weld is likely to be stronger than the original.  The argument appears to hinge around the subsequent use of the repaired wheel, and that is very much a matter of personal opinion.
I think I counted 3 different people saying scrap it
I personally wouldn't like to trust a repaired alloy, others would - their opinion.
Make that 4 people - you wouldn't use it so presumably you would scrap it too.

The diffference in opinion I see is can it be properly repaired and made safe or not?  Pardon me but it seems that those who don't know say not and those who have experience and knowledge of welding say yes.
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Re: Welding an alloy wheel
« Reply #52 on: 01 February 2013, 23:55:59 »

I should add that many race wheels are welded from new without ndt.

Further to this, you would be surprised how many casting defects are fixed using such methods on new alloys and other similar parts

Have to say I agree with you there Mark - I've raced on welded steels and alloys without any disasters.  However on a race track a level of risk is accepted, I personally wouldn't risk it on a road car where passengers and other road users may be involved should a wheel let go.  But thats just my opinion - not a pedantic view ;)
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Re: Welding an alloy wheel
« Reply #53 on: 02 February 2013, 01:15:16 »

I should add that many race wheels are welded from new without ndt.

Further to this, you would be surprised how many casting defects are fixed using such methods on new alloys and other similar parts

Have to say I agree with you there Mark - I've raced on welded steels and alloys without any disasters.  However on a race track a level of risk is accepted, I personally wouldn't risk it on a road car where passengers and other road users may be involved should a wheel let go.  But thats just my opinion - not a pedantic view ;)

Pot kettle black, Mr dmug. ;D
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Re: Welding an alloy wheel
« Reply #54 on: 02 February 2013, 01:16:35 »

I should add that many race wheels are welded from new without ndt.

Further to this, you would be surprised how many casting defects are fixed using such methods on new alloys and other similar parts

Have to say I agree with you there Mark - I've raced on welded steels and alloys without any disasters.  However on a race track a level of risk is accepted, I personally wouldn't risk it on a road car where passengers and other road users may be involved should a wheel let go.  But thats just my opinion - not a pedantic view ;)

Pot kettle black, Mr dmug. ;D

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Re: Welding an alloy wheel
« Reply #55 on: 02 February 2013, 01:18:23 »

I should add that many race wheels are welded from new without ndt.

Further to this, you would be surprised how many casting defects are fixed using such methods on new alloys and other similar parts

Have to say I agree with you there Mark - I've raced on welded steels and alloys without any disasters.  However on a race track a level of risk is accepted, I personally wouldn't risk it on a road car where passengers and other road users may be involved should a wheel let go.  But thats just my opinion - not a pedantic view ;)

Pot kettle black, Mr dmug. ;D

Oh grow up Pixie  :y

Oh dear! ;D
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Re: Welding an alloy wheel
« Reply #56 on: 02 February 2013, 10:40:58 »

I should add that many race wheels are welded from new without ndt.

Further to this, you would be surprised how many casting defects are fixed using such methods on new alloys and other similar parts

Have to say I agree with you there Mark - I've raced on welded steels and alloys without any disasters.  However on a race track a level of risk is accepted, I personally wouldn't risk it on a road car where passengers and other road users may be involved should a wheel let go.  But thats just my opinion - not a pedantic view ;)

Pot kettle black, Mr dmug. ;D

Oh grow up Pixie  :y

Oh dear! ;D

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Re: Welding an alloy wheel
« Reply #57 on: 02 February 2013, 10:43:44 »

I should add that many race wheels are welded from new without ndt.

Further to this, you would be surprised how many casting defects are fixed using such methods on new alloys and other similar parts

Have to say I agree with you there Mark - I've raced on welded steels and alloys without any disasters.  However on a race track a level of risk is accepted, I personally wouldn't risk it on a road car where passengers and other road users may be involved should a wheel let go.  But thats just my opinion - not a pedantic view ;)

Pot kettle black, Mr dmug. ;D

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Oh dear! ;D

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Re: Welding an alloy wheel
« Reply #58 on: 03 February 2013, 10:14:51 »

On topic, I'm with Sassanach/MDTM on this one - repaired properly, a hole drilled at end of crack to prevent it cracking further, all damaged parts cut out if required, the repair should be as good, or possibly exceed, the original integrity of the wheel.


Off topic, can we please try to stop the childish bickering and arguing that is going on everywhere here  >:(
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