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[Entwood]

Was with friends last night, most of whom have 4x4 or "pseudo" 4x4 as they also tow, and the subject of replacement tow cars came up. I was an obvious "target" due to my abhorrence of 4x4, and my requirement for RWD ... so they were asking what I would replace the Omega with if I had to (not that I intend to for some while). They all came up with the obvious BMW & Merc options but were extremely surprised at my mention of the VW Phaeton, a car I admire quite highly and if I had the money one would be seriously considered, as some of them had not even heard of the beast !!

Now, the level of "toys", and the price for mid 2000 year cars looks quite good, but on autotrader they are 90% diesel, and I've only found 1 LPG version anywhere.

Any one driven one/owned one/know anything about one ??    or is my admiration totally misplaced ?? 

[feeutfo]

Pscocoa has one. If that helps?

But I'm not sure LPG could keep a vag engine management system happy tbh. Like BMW they seem a bit fussy around that era.

I like that nobody's heard of it though.

[OmegaAnglesey]

Very nice cars the VW Phaeton visualy no idea how they drive, Like you say Petrol versions are rare 


these where the only x2 cheapish ones i could find on eBay.


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/2004-Volkswagen-Phaeton-4-2-V8-4MOTION-4DR-5-SEAT-AUTO-FULL-HISTORY-/321053454028?pt=Automobiles_UK&hash=item4ac046eecc[/size][/font]

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Volkswagen-Phaeton-3-2-V6-2005-/271085509069?pt=Automobiles_UK&hash=item3f1df499cd[/font]

Maybe the diesels are pretty fast ?

[cem_devecioglu]

some info here..
http://www.honestjohn.co.uk/carbycar/volkswagen/phaeton-2002/?section=good
 
http://www.honestjohn.co.uk/carbycar/volkswagen/phaeton-2002/?section=bad

[OmegaAnglesey]

Hmm I wouldn't mind this diesel tractor

http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201211304459032/sort/locasc/usedcars/engine-size-cars/4l_to_4-9l/model/phaeton/make/volkswagen/onesearchad/used/onesearchad/nearlynew/onesearchad/new/postcode/ll669aa/page/1/radius/1500?logcode=p

[feeutfo]

http://youtu.be/T0hsFwWiCOA

[OmegaAnglesey]

http://youtu.be/T0hsFwWiCOA

a very impressive car with a huge spec, I'd definitely be confused for some time working out all the gadgets 

A worthy Omega replacement for sure

[OmegaAnglesey]

The only 2 things that concerns me (this could be nothing as I've never driven one) that the VW may be too heavy (2.8 ton gross avarage model and 3.0ton gross for V10 Tdi) and too large that it won't handle well or wont be much fun to drive (around here at least with the small country lanes) ideal motorway cruiser though, no doubt it would make a wonderful luxury car.

looking at it more deeply it's one nicely shaped car pleasing to the eye not brash at all like BMWs, Mercs etc.

Looking at the performance to fuel ratio a Diesel would be much better overall.

"54" 3.2 Petrol 9.2sec to 0-62  Top Speed 150mph (urban) 16.4mpg

"05" 3.0 Diesel 8.8sex to 0-62  Top Speed 145mph (urban) 21.9mpg

According to Auto Trader that is.

[tunnie]

Yeah Pscocoa has one, quite new-ish one too.

I recall issues with the early ones and shocks, they changed the design. So if one shock failed, all 4 had to be replaced 

Bentley running costs with VW badge I think, although like the Omega a depreciation disaster which is good for us!

I like looks of them too, problem is DIY on them would be very, very hard I think. Most who have them will just take them to that nice man in the dealer, then just open the wallet 

My worry would be as they get older and things fail, you won't have a technical community like you do here.

[feeutfo]

I'm sure pscocoa will advise, but, iirc, the issue with the shocks was with the supplier. So Vw changed the supplier from 04 on. Which means waiting a little longer, looking at prices.

[TheBoy]

My worry would be as they get older and things fail, you won't have a technical community like you do here.

There must be a decent VAG forum out there, surely?

Actually, who am I kidding, I've already looked 

[feeutfo]

Indeed, utterly hopeless on the forum front. Polo, golf and one of the Audi sections, complete waist of time.

[tunnie]

My worry would be as they get older and things fail, you won't have a technical community like you do here.

There must be a decent VAG forum out there, surely?

Actually, who am I kidding, I've already looked 

Think most forums will struggle to match what we have here, if a coil pack, crank/cam sensor, HBV, door lock fails we know exactly what has to be done.

Can't see that on a Phaeton forum 

Guess maybe Jaguar have some of the better forums than most? 

[05omegav6]

Almost tempted but for a couple of concerns

1. It's built by VAG, and given they cost well over £40k new and should therefore be reasonably well screwed together, I don't entirely trust them. After all they are built from the shinier end of the Passat parts bin

2. Some retard in the design department put the timing chains on the back of the block So by the time they become affordable with a few miles on the clock, we as second or third owners could potentially be faced with removing the engines to replace rattling chains resulting from long life servicec intervals. And that's before you get to replacing all the suspension joints and all four tyres

Probably a safe enough bet at one year old or preregistered with less than 10k, but probably a real liability if bought later on...

[Del Boy]

They're nice cars, I recently had a 12 plate Diesel, very now cars, drive well, and I think look the part too . Expensive servicing and repairs if anything should go wrong though. I wouldn't get a petrol one.