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Strange financial world
« on: 12 February 2013, 15:57:10 »

Barclays  new(ish) CEO has made couple of announcements today and quarterly results released. Profits have plummeted to about one quarter of a billion from about five billion, due to PPI and insurance swaps compensation. They are culling 3,700 jobs. They are closing a small unit in Canary Wharf, with a staff of about one hundred, which advised clients on tax avoidance. This one unit was generating about a billion pounds a year.
The only good news for shareholders is the job losses, which will save about £1.6 billion a year.

Result? The stock is up around 9% today. Weird?  Rods will explain. :)
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« Reply #1 on: 12 February 2013, 16:01:01 »

For those that are interested, Panorama, BBC1, tonight.

Cancel that, it's gone from the listings  :o
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Re: Strange financial world
« Reply #2 on: 12 February 2013, 17:04:57 »

Losses may be less than predicted.
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« Reply #3 on: 12 February 2013, 17:07:42 »

My views on banks and bankers are well known........I love them all. :-* :-* :-*


Lord Lawson, former Conservative chancellor and father to the fragrant Nigella, was on Newsnight a week or so ago.

He is hardly a socialist, so I was quite surprised to hear him describe overpaid bankers as...."reasonably intelligent, but not special. He went on to say they were easily replaceable and therefore not worth the scandalous amount they were paid.

I now have a soft spot for old Nige. :y

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« Reply #4 on: 12 February 2013, 17:27:50 »

Get down to the square mile and earn a fortune Opti.Its a piece of p1ss. :y  ::)
There is a bit of history between Nige and the city.Hes never going to be objective. ;)
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« Reply #5 on: 12 February 2013, 17:33:09 »

Get down to the square mile and earn a fortune Opti.Its a piece of p1ss. :y  ::)
There is a bit of history between Nige and the city.Hes never going to be objective. ;)


I'd probably make a crap banker, Albs. But that shouldn't be a problem as reward for failure is rife in the financial world. :y

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« Reply #6 on: 12 February 2013, 17:38:31 »

Behind the sensationalist headlines,the climate in the city has changed,and still is changing dramatically. ;)
If those who were fiddling the libor rate etc. dont end up behind bars,blame the authorities and no-one else.
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« Reply #7 on: 12 February 2013, 17:58:20 »

The average bonus for barclays bankers announced today was $84,000. I don't know whether that's good or bad because I don't know how many there are and at what level they come in.
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« Reply #8 on: 12 February 2013, 18:25:50 »

The average bonus for barclays bankers announced today was $84,000. I don't know whether that's good or bad because I don't know how many there are and at what level they come in.

.......bad, especially for the shareholders. :-\
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« Reply #9 on: 12 February 2013, 18:39:45 »

Why is it bad for the shareholders.If the people being paid an average bonus of $84,000 have brought in millions of $ in business then its good for the share holders.
Ive just been speaking to one 5 minutes ago (doesnt work for Barclays) who has brought in almost £20 million from new clients in the last three days.Im sure the banks shareholders wont complain if they get a good bonus. ::)

Bte.Average bonuses at Barclays in 2006 were £250,000,so thats one hell of a drop. ;)
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« Reply #10 on: 12 February 2013, 21:44:02 »

I all for punishing those bankers that have broken the rules, law and have been unethical and I personally think the authorities have been far too soft in routing out and prosecuting those that have broken the law. With the Libor scandal this would also involve Labour ministers and senior FSA and BOE officials, might give a clue to why certain people in power would rather see it swept under the carpet or hammer the odd scrape goat or two, like has happened with HBOS.  >:( >:( >:( >:(

But why should all hard working banker workers suffer who have done none of these and if they have done good work for a bank and earn't them good money, why shouldn't they get their bonuses. I'm sure if you did this where you worked, you wouldn't be happy that some MP or minister drags himself / herself away from the important things in their lives, fiddling their expenses or flipping their houses to create such a fuss that your boss decided to keep public opinion happy by telling you, sorry no bonus. Too many people in the UK just love to talk down and destroy UK industries and they will then be the first to complain when the country goes from broke to destitute?  :( :( :(

I'm sure with enough pushing and shoving, we can get most of the city to off-shore to New York, Frankfurt, Berne and even at a push Paris, but what is going to replace the £62bn they pay in taxes every year, not to mention the extra Government spending where they are all on the dole and the now non-existent money they earn't here and abroad, with much of it spent here, to support whats left of our manufacturing and services industries.

We can then use, say all those nice foreign banks that don't make nasty, evil profits, but nice social friendly losses like the Icelandic, Irish, Greek and Spanish banks in their place, don't you just know your's and UK industry's money will be safe.  :o :o :o

But why stop there, why not get rid of Lloyds underwriting and all trade and retail insurance brokers, pension funds and stock markets to totally destroy all of the financial infrastructure that has evolved since the middle ages which was the funding engine for our 18th and 19th century Industrial Revolution, when we led the world. I'm sure we could all manage without by planting beans and keeping chickens in our back gardens. This is surely far better than a banker getting a bonus.

Personally, I think it is bad for Barclay's business that they have closed their tax avoidance division and made 120 people redundant, when all they are doing is strengthening the big accountants like KMPG etc. If taxes are low and reasonable, people will pay them, when their not then they will legally avoid them in every way possible and personally I don't blame them as who wants to pay more tax than they have to?

The basic problem we have is there are too many people in this country that are not paying their way, until this is tackled and resolved, then this big government, high tax, socialist country is only going to continue in one direction, downwards.

The section of society I most worry about for the future are pensioners as they will have paid into the Ponzi scheme to pay the last generations pensions and once the country is destitute, they will be too old and frail to work, but will not have a livable pension. This will also apply to anybody with a public sector pension, savings or an annuity, they will all be reduced to near zero purchasing power, once the Government has no choice but to let rip with inflation to inflate away our 500% of GDP private, public and industry debts.  >:( >:( >:( >:(
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« Reply #11 on: 12 February 2013, 21:57:58 »

I all for punishing those bankers that have broken the rules, law and have been unethical and I personally think the authorities have been far too soft in routing out and prosecuting those that have broken the law. With the Libor scandal this would also involve Labour ministers and senior FSA and BOE officials, might give a clue to why certain people in power would rather see it swept under the carpet or hammer the odd scrape goat or two, like has happened with HBOS.  >:( >:( >:( >:(

But why should all hard working banker workers suffer who have done none of these and if they have done good work for a bank and earn't them good money, why shouldn't they get their bonuses. I'm sure if you did this where you worked, you wouldn't be happy that some MP or minister drags himself / herself away from the important things in their lives, fiddling their expenses or flipping their houses to create such a fuss that your boss decided to keep public opinion happy by telling you, sorry no bonus. Too many people in the UK just love to talk down and destroy UK industries and they will then be the first to complain when the country goes from broke to destitute?  :( :( :(

I'm sure with enough pushing and shoving, we can get most of the city to off-shore to New York, Frankfurt, Berne and even at a push Paris, but what is going to replace the £62bn they pay in taxes every year, not to mention the extra Government spending where they are all on the dole and the now non-existent money they earn't here and abroad, with much of it spent here, to support whats left of our manufacturing and services industries.

We can then use, say all those nice foreign banks that don't make nasty, evil profits, but nice social friendly losses like the Icelandic, Irish, Greek and Spanish banks in their place, don't you just know your's and UK industry's money will be safe.  :o :o :o

But why stop there, why not get rid of Lloyds underwriting and all trade and retail insurance brokers, pension funds and stock markets to totally destroy all of the financial infrastructure that has evolved since the middle ages which was the funding engine for our 18th and 19th century Industrial Revolution, when we led the world. I'm sure we could all manage without by planting beans and keeping chickens in our back gardens. This is surely far better than a banker getting a bonus.

Personally, I think it is bad for Barclay's business that they have closed their tax avoidance division and made 120 people redundant, when all they are doing is strengthening the big accountants like KMPG etc. If taxes are low and reasonable, people will pay them, when their not then they will legally avoid them in every way possible and personally I don't blame them as who wants to pay more tax than they have to?

The basic problem we have is there are too many people in this country that are not paying their way, until this is tackled and resolved, then this big government, high tax, socialist country is only going to continue in one direction, downwards.

The section of society I most worry about for the future are pensioners as they will have paid into the Ponzi scheme to pay the last generations pensions and once the country is destitute, they will be too old and frail to work, but will not have a livable pension. This will also apply to anybody with a public sector pension, savings or an annuity, they will all be reduced to near zero purchasing power, once the Government has no choice but to let rip with inflation to inflate away our 500% of GDP private, public and industry debts.  >:( >:( >:( >:(

 ::)  financial infrastructure is funding engine for industrial revolution.. ;D ;D ;D ;D
 
its the workers and engineers labour that powered industrial revolution .. please watch the videos I shared Rods.. and I'll happily accept your comments :) :y
 
ps: your financial infrastructure is nothing more than a couple of bankers with paper money out of nothing..
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« Reply #12 on: 12 February 2013, 22:01:38 »

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H56FUHgqRNE

probably this is less political for you ::)
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« Reply #13 on: 12 February 2013, 22:18:09 »

So how did the inventors and engineers raise the money to fund their patents, inventions and factories. It was through Investment Banks and public offering of shares.  :y :y :y

Money is like oil to an engine, without it, it seizes up.  :o :o :o This is a major problem at the moment where banks aren't lending, due to losses, increasing capital requirements and worries over getting their money back.

The alternative, which is called Communism, Marxism or Maoism is where you become a slave of the state, who dictate: Where you will work, how you will work, what you will do, how much they will pay you (if your lucky), what you will think and say and if you don't like their terms the alternative is a forced labour camp and correction centre where the only escape is normally death.

Personally, of the two, I much prefer banks and capitalism and so does most of the planet as Communism, Marxism and Maoism are dying systems.Why are they dying because democracy and capitalism give much greater individual freedom and it allocates capital and resources much more efficiently than a central command based system.
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« Reply #14 on: 12 February 2013, 22:26:36 »

So how did the inventors and engineers raise the money to fund their patents, inventions and factories. It was through Investment Banks and public offering of shares.  :y :y :y

Money is like oil to an engine, without it, it seizes up:o :o :o This is a major problem at the moment where banks aren't lending, due to losses, increasing capital requirements and worries over getting their money back.

The alternative, which is called Communism, Marxism or Maoism is where you become a slave of the state, who dictate: Where you will work, how you will work, what you will do, how much they will pay you (if your lucky), what you will think and say and if you don't like their terms the alternative is a forced labour camp and correction centre where the only escape is normally death.

Personally, of the two, I much prefer banks and capitalism and so does most of the planet as Communism, Marxism and Maoism are dying systems.Why are they dying because democracy and capitalism give much greater individual freedom and it allocates capital and resources much more efficiently than a central command based system.

Rods  :)  I strongly recommend you watch the videos.. your answers will not be same after :) :y
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