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[albitz]

I couldnt watch top gear on TV on Sunday.It was available on Iplayer approx. 15-30 minutes after it had finished on BBC2.

obviosly the prat i spoke to didnt know his arse from his elbow sorry albitz

No need to apologise Ozzy.I might be wrong.Im only speaking from my own experience,not from knowledge of rules,regs etc.

[omega3000]

TV licence is a total rip off and should be banned  Should be an option to opt out of watching BBC then they can shove the licence fee up their a$$ .

[geoffr70]

Then again, if your are connected to the internet, you are capable of watching BBC news live.

AAARRRRGGGGHHHHH. I don't fickin know.........

Yes, but the issue isn't whether or not you have equipment capable of receiving and/or recording a television signal, the issue is whether or not you do

I have a tv that is capable of receiving a tv signal. But I don't use it for that purpose and it isnt even connected to an aeriel or digibox etc,  therefore I don't need a license.

[feeutfo]

...and (iplayer) is not available outside the uk, as everyone in the uk pays the fee.

And damn right too. same with the nhs, we all pay, everyone benefits.


...ok, bad example. But the idea is sound.


IMO it's a general state of economics the entire country is in. It's painfull for everyone currently.

[Lizzie_Zoom]

Do we need a tv licence to watch iplayer ? 

Yes

According to the "regulations" as far as we can interpret.   That is because you are using a diggy box to watch the I-Player that is classed as a recorded programme and comes under the TV Licence mandate.

Completely wrong!!!!  you only need a TV licence if you watch TV as it is broadcast - Latency delay notwithstanding, if the programme being watched has already been broadcast, you do not need a licence to "catch up" with it. 

Better to read the rules, rather than scan them for words that prove your point.

Well said Albs. Too many people just quote what's been drummed into them over the years without knowing the full facts or bothering to find out themselves. In the end they themselves end up as agents perpetuating mis information for the benefit of the originator (in this case the BBC and TV licensing), without even realising! Of course this would benefit the BBC as they get more tax revenue

I notice Lizzie has gone quiet, perhaps she's realised her mistake and is plucking up the courage to apologise for assuming the worst, attempting to deceive me (poorly), and publicly calling me a criminal when I've done nothing wrong.

No!  Actually I have been off line as BT have just been upgrading my line  to BT Affinity.

I stated what I did based on what you were stating.  The facts remain that at some stage you are watching or recording TV output and unless you are over 75 years of age, which you have not stated, you are committing a criminal offence if you do not possess a current TV licence.  I quoted the regulations from the TV Licencing site, so unless you are holding back additional information my conclusion still stands.

Tell me how I have misunderstood YOUR statements of fact please.

[Lizzie_Zoom]

............and before you answer Geof this is exactly what you posted:

Surprise surprise I thought you might disagree. I'm beginning to think you're some sort of left wing puppet tbh, going by your posts in other threads. The world is full of people, organisations and so on who want to control others. The BBC should be impartial, otherwise it's unfair to those who have a different viewpoint but still pay tv tax.

Of course I watch television, how could I comment on it without knowing about it? That's a silly thing to say isn't it. I just don't pay the tv tax! 

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[geoffr70]

Do we need a tv licence to watch iplayer ? 

Yes

According to the "regulations" as far as we can interpret.   That is because you are using a diggy box to watch the I-Player that is classed as a recorded programme and comes under the TV Licence mandate.

Completely wrong!!!!  you only need a TV licence if you watch TV as it is broadcast - Latency delay notwithstanding, if the programme being watched has already been broadcast, you do not need a licence to "catch up" with it. 

Better to read the rules, rather than scan them for words that prove your point.

Well said Albs. Too many people just quote what's been drummed into them over the years without knowing the full facts or bothering to find out themselves. In the end they themselves end up as agents perpetuating mis information for the benefit of the originator (in this case the BBC and TV licensing), without even realising! Of course this would benefit the BBC as they get more tax revenue

I notice Lizzie has gone quiet, perhaps she's realised her mistake and is plucking up the courage to apologise for assuming the worst, attempting to deceive me (poorly), and publicly calling me a criminal when I've done nothing wrong.

No!  Actually I have been off line as BT have just been upgrading my line  to BT Affinity.

I stated what I did based on what you were stating.  The facts remain that at some stage you are watching or recording TV output and unless you are over 75 years of age, which you have not stated, you are committing a criminal offence if you do not possess a current TV licence.  I quoted the regulations from the TV Licencing site, so unless you are holding back additional information my conclusion still stands.

Tell me how I have misunderstood YOUR statements of fact please.

You came to a conclusion (the wrong one) without having the full facts, and assumed the rest (wrongly). Then you publicly called me a criminal. Be very careful.

It's perfectly possible to watch tv without a tv license (which I don't have) and be within the law. I'm waiting for my apology.

[Lizzie_Zoom]

Then you added after I challenged you with...............

quote author=geoffr70 link=topic=112244.msg1414030#msg1414030 date=1361279293]
I watch tv, of course I do. I even have to suffer the BBC occasionally. I don't pay tv tax though. And no I'm not a criminal. I don't watch or record television as it's being broadcast in any place I would be liable for tv tax, if I was doing so.

I'll accept your apology. 
[/quote]

So, am I to think you were trying to be clever, stating one set of facts, whilst with holding others to score points?

[geoffr70]

............and before you answer Geof this is exactly what you posted:

Surprise surprise I thought you might disagree. I'm beginning to think you're some sort of left wing puppet tbh, going by your posts in other threads. The world is full of people, organisations and so on who want to control others. The BBC should be impartial, otherwise it's unfair to those who have a different viewpoint but still pay tv tax.

Of course I watch television, how could I comment on it without knowing about it? That's a silly thing to say isn't it. I just don't pay the tv tax! 

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And? I watch tv now and again. I don't pay tv tax. I'm still well within the law though and not doing anything wrong, whatever your legal or political outlook.

[geoffr70]

No you silly woman, you assumed. YOU ASSUMED WRONGLY, then publicly called me a criminal. Your actions, your fault. I'm waiting for my apology.

[Lizzie_Zoom]

Do we need a tv licence to watch iplayer ? 

Yes

According to the "regulations" as far as we can interpret.   That is because you are using a diggy box to watch the I-Player that is classed as a recorded programme and comes under the TV Licence mandate.

Completely wrong!!!!  you only need a TV licence if you watch TV as it is broadcast - Latency delay notwithstanding, if the programme being watched has already been broadcast, you do not need a licence to "catch up" with it. 

Better to read the rules, rather than scan them for words that prove your point.

Well said Albs. Too many people just quote what's been drummed into them over the years without knowing the full facts or bothering to find out themselves. In the end they themselves end up as agents perpetuating mis information for the benefit of the originator (in this case the BBC and TV licensing), without even realising! Of course this would benefit the BBC as they get more tax revenue

I notice Lizzie has gone quiet, perhaps she's realised her mistake and is plucking up the courage to apologise for assuming the worst, attempting to deceive me (poorly), and publicly calling me a criminal when I've done nothing wrong.

No!  Actually I have been off line as BT have just been upgrading my line  to BT Affinity.

I stated what I did based on what you were stating.  The facts remain that at some stage you are watching or recording TV output and unless you are over 75 years of age, which you have not stated, you are committing a criminal offence if you do not possess a current TV licence.  I quoted the regulations from the TV Licencing site, so unless you are holding back additional information my conclusion still stands.

Tell me how I have misunderstood YOUR statements of fact please.

You came to a conclusion (the wrong one) without having the full facts, and assumed the rest (wrongly). Then you publicly called me a criminal. Be very careful.

It's perfectly possible to watch tv without a tv license (which I don't have) and be within the law. I'm waiting for my apology.

No!!!  You should be apologising for deliberately setting out to be clever and stating limited facts.  If you do not watch live TV how do you see it?


PS I will ignore your childish out pouring!

[geoffr70]

I haven't stated limited facts, you wrongly filled in your own picture to justify your own wrong belief.

I do watch tv legally, but I don't pay tv tax. 

[Lizzie_Zoom]

I haven't stated limited facts, you wrongly filled in your own picture to justify your own wrong belief.

I do watch tv legally, but I don't pay tv tax. 

OK play your own games!

[geoffr70]

I haven't stated limited facts, you wrongly filled in your own picture to justify your own wrong belief.

I do watch tv legally, but I don't pay tv tax. 

OK play your own games!

I'm surprised you've got this far in life with that pompous attitude. You assumed wrongly, now somehow it's my fault!! You couldn't make that up. Oh then you call me a criminal. You're the wrongdoer.

[Lizzie_Zoom]

I haven't stated limited facts, you wrongly filled in your own picture to justify your own wrong belief.

I do watch tv legally, but I don't pay tv tax. 

OK play your own games!

I'm surprised you've got this far in life with that pompous attitude. You assumed wrongly, now somehow it's my fault!! You couldn't make that up. Oh then you call me a criminal. You're the wrongdoer.

You cannot even answer my questions. So.........

Whatever.