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Re: Rust treatment and protector..
« Reply #15 on: 24 March 2013, 17:31:15 »

as said an ebay search for star silver paint will come up with the exact ones because "star silver' is quite a rare term.  obviously 'sunrise red' or 'sea blue' would not worK and not be a good idea.  Try it. 

If you type in the exact code to ebay of course you will get only the right ones but to be honest 'star silver' will not return many irrelevant ones and they will be obvious.

Surely thats the objective of the exercise - to get the correct match and not to have to outsort incorrect ones ??? :-\
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Re: Rust treatment and protector..
« Reply #16 on: 24 March 2013, 17:32:29 »

as Tunnie said, there will be numerous variations.. plus your car could be faded to a degree that you cant see without comparing to the original paint mixture..
 
so visit a professional paint shop (which have the color mixture from famous brands like standox, sikkens,glassurite )
 
when they see the car under sunlight a professional will  quickly find the correct mixture (they work with many painters and sure they prepared the mixture before).. and plus he will need some color arrangements..
(its a trial error method even if you find the correct paint to match the exact color)
 
and imo dont loose time with other primers, best solution is always epoxy mixture made for cars .. and remember you will need to paint over it.. so must be compatible with the paints you will use..  personally I always use glassurite epoxy..
 
 
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Re: Rust treatment and protector..
« Reply #17 on: 24 March 2013, 17:35:25 »

as said an ebay search for star silver paint will come up with the exact ones because "star silver' is quite a rare term.  obviously 'sunrise red' or 'sea blue' would not worK and not be a good idea.  Try it. 

If you type in the exact code to ebay of course you will get only the right ones but to be honest 'star silver' will not return many irrelevant ones and they will be obvious.

Quite rare?  ??? Many "Star Silver" combination's out there, two Omega ones least 4 Corsa ones (quick Google), also go Astra and so on, all different variants.

To ensure a match, use paint code.  ;)
Agreed with tunnie on this, I do buy most things from eBay but not sure about paint. If its so easy to find one on eBay dbdb share a link.  ???

Is there any recommended brands of paint that are available in star silver Z157 in a rattle can I haven't got the proper spray machinery equipment to do a proper job.
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Re: Rust treatment and protector..
« Reply #18 on: 24 March 2013, 17:56:42 »

as said an ebay search for star silver paint will come up with the exact ones because "star silver' is quite a rare term.  obviously 'sunrise red' or 'sea blue' would not worK and not be a good idea.  Try it. 

If you type in the exact code to ebay of course you will get only the right ones but to be honest 'star silver' will not return many irrelevant ones and they will be obvious.

Quite rare?  ??? Many "Star Silver" combination's out there, two Omega ones least 4 Corsa ones (quick Google), also go Astra and so on, all different variants.

To ensure a match, use paint code.  ;)
Agreed with tunnie on this, I do buy most things from eBay but not sure about paint. If its so easy to find one on eBay dbdb share a link.  ???

Is there any recommended brands of paint that are available in star silver Z157 in a rattle can I haven't got the proper spray machinery equipment to do a proper job.

Omegaman , if you dont have spray equipment like hvlp and air compressor , you cant.. car paints are more sensitive than wheels and will show every mistake :-\   besides you must have some practice on them..
 
lastly even for the same color paint code - for example my omega (282) there are more than 20 variations..
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Re: Rust treatment and protector..
« Reply #19 on: 24 March 2013, 18:12:16 »

as said an ebay search for star silver paint will come up with the exact ones because "star silver' is quite a rare term.  obviously 'sunrise red' or 'sea blue' would not worK and not be a good idea.  Try it. 

If you type in the exact code to ebay of course you will get only the right ones but to be honest 'star silver' will not return many irrelevant ones and they will be obvious.

Surely thats the objective of the exercise - to get the correct match and not to have to outsort incorrect ones ??? :-\
depends how anal one is.   searching for star silver paint is perfectly adequate in this case, try it. :y
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« Reply #20 on: 24 March 2013, 18:24:12 »

as said an ebay search for star silver paint will come up with the exact ones because "star silver' is quite a rare term.  obviously 'sunrise red' or 'sea blue' would not worK and not be a good idea.  Try it. 

If you type in the exact code to ebay of course you will get only the right ones but to be honest 'star silver' will not return many irrelevant ones and they will be obvious.

Surely thats the objective of the exercise - to get the correct match and not to have to outsort incorrect ones ??? :-\
depends how anal one is.   searching for star silver paint is perfectly adequate in this case, try it. :y

Dbdb , to give you an opinion some time ago, for a friend we bought a corect code repair paint (which they use) for a silver color honda from the service..  and the color was 5-6 shades darker than the original..  we applied on a test card and result was unacceptable by all standards.. never trust a paint code alone.. metallic colors are so sensitive that even it changes with spraying technique and number of layers easily..
 
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Re: Rust treatment and protector..
« Reply #21 on: 24 March 2013, 18:32:52 »

as said an ebay search for star silver paint will come up with the exact ones because "star silver' is quite a rare term.  obviously 'sunrise red' or 'sea blue' would not worK and not be a good idea.  Try it. 

If you type in the exact code to ebay of course you will get only the right ones but to be honest 'star silver' will not return many irrelevant ones and they will be obvious.

Surely thats the objective of the exercise - to get the correct match and not to have to outsort incorrect ones ??? :-\
depends how anal one is.   searching for star silver paint is perfectly adequate in this case, try it. :y

Dbdb , to give you an opinion some time ago, for a friend we bought a corect code repair paint (which they use) for a silver color honda from the service..  and the color was 5-6 shades darker than the original..  we applied on a test card and result was unacceptable by all standards.. never trust a paint code alone.. metallic colors are so sensitive that even it changes with spraying technique and number of layers easily..

I've had two lots of star silver from 2 different ebay suppliers, both very good.  Some colours don't fade much star silver seems to be one.  Black is almost never a problem.  Any red colour will fade and any white can be a pain to match.  The two suppliers I used on ebay are fiona_mcgowan123 and wilson lendrum & weir ltd.  Note these are touch up supplies only, I haven't been spraying.  Any spray needs to be complete panel IMHO. Sounds like you may have had the wrong paint or maybe the honda silver does fade. Incidentaly I bought ruby red honda from wilson lendrum & weir ltd and I thought it was a pretty good match considering it was red and the car 12 years old.
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« Reply #22 on: 24 March 2013, 18:33:41 »

as said an ebay search for star silver paint will come up with the exact ones because "star silver' is quite a rare term.  obviously 'sunrise red' or 'sea blue' would not worK and not be a good idea.  Try it. 

If you type in the exact code to ebay of course you will get only the right ones but to be honest 'star silver' will not return many irrelevant ones and they will be obvious.

Quite rare?  ??? Many "Star Silver" combination's out there, two Omega ones least 4 Corsa ones (quick Google), also go Astra and so on, all different variants.

To ensure a match, use paint code.  ;)
Agreed with tunnie on this, I do buy most things from eBay but not sure about paint. If its so easy to find one on eBay dbdb share a link.  ???

Is there any recommended brands of paint that are available in star silver Z157 in a rattle can I haven't got the proper spray machinery equipment to do a proper job.

Omegaman , if you dont have spray equipment like hvlp and air compressor , you cant.. car paints are more sensitive than wheels and will show every mistake :-\   besides you must have some practice on them..
 
lastly even for the same color paint code - for example my omega (282) there are more than 20 variations..
True, I do know someone who sprays cars for a living but he doesn't touch cars that have rust. But I did the bumper 3 or so years ago with a rattle can and its hardly noticeable. As said its a trail and error process  :-\
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Re: Rust treatment and protector..
« Reply #23 on: 24 March 2013, 18:44:02 »

as said an ebay search for star silver paint will come up with the exact ones because "star silver' is quite a rare term.  obviously 'sunrise red' or 'sea blue' would not worK and not be a good idea.  Try it. 

If you type in the exact code to ebay of course you will get only the right ones but to be honest 'star silver' will not return many irrelevant ones and they will be obvious.

Surely thats the objective of the exercise - to get the correct match and not to have to outsort incorrect ones ??? :-\
depends how anal one is.   searching for star silver paint is perfectly adequate in this case, try it. :y

Dbdb , to give you an opinion some time ago, for a friend we bought a corect code repair paint (which they use) for a silver color honda from the service..  and the color was 5-6 shades darker than the original..  we applied on a test card and result was unacceptable by all standards.. never trust a paint code alone.. metallic colors are so sensitive that even it changes with spraying technique and number of layers easily..

I've had two lots of star silver from 2 different ebay suppliers, both very good.  Some colours don't fade much star silver seems to be one.  Black is almost never a problem.  Any red colour will fade and any white can be a pain to match.  The two suppliers I used on ebay are fiona_mcgowan123 and wilson lendrum & weir ltd.  Note these are touch up supplies only, I haven't been spraying.  Any spray needs to be complete panel IMHO. Sounds like you may have had the wrong paint or maybe the honds silver does fade. Incidentaly I bought ruby red honda from wilson lendrum & weir ltd and I thought it was a pretty good match considering it was red and the car 12 years old.

all colors fade, its only a matter of time.. in UK you may need say 10 years (or more) but here 4-5 years more than enough..
 
star silver is the most hard color to give exact match..  number of paint layers, quality of gun, experience of painter, laquer quality (and number of layers) will make a different shade easily..
 
as for complete panel spray, if you want perfect job you need to blend also to adjacent panels .. but if area you paint is small you can blend also in the same  panel..
 
the touch up paint was from honda , same color code and as I said it was awful.. :-\
 
and imo red color is worst of all colors that fades horribly..
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Re: Rust treatment and protector..
« Reply #27 on: 24 March 2013, 19:39:54 »

You obviously know little about car restorations/repairs mate - black is one of the most difficult colours to match.
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Re: Rust treatment and protector..
« Reply #28 on: 24 March 2013, 19:45:31 »

You obviously know little about car restorations/repairs mate - black is one of the most difficult colours to match.
Sorry mate that is total crap.  I find it difficult to believe you even said it.  Black is black ask any sprayer. 8)
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« Reply #29 on: 24 March 2013, 19:48:56 »

You obviously know little about car restorations/repairs mate - black is one of the most difficult colours to match.
Sorry mate that is total crap.  I find it difficult to believe you even said it.  Black is black ask any sprayer. 8)

Yep go and ask a decent paint sprayer ;)

Any decent sprayer knows that the most difficult colours to match are black, red and white
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