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cem_devecioglu

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Re: Boston Marathon explosions
« Reply #45 on: 20 April 2013, 11:07:14 »

and if people ignore obvious evidence, I'll start to think that their mindset decides by political view rather than pure logic >:(
 
ps: as today I'll spend most of my time driving back I'll not be online.. but I'll back  ;)
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« Reply #46 on: 20 April 2013, 11:16:33 »

and if people ignore obvious evidence, I'll start to think that their mindset decides by political view rather than pure logic >:(
 
ps: as today I'll spend most of my time driving back I'll not be online.. but I'll back  ;)

Pity , I thought you may be gonig to a  conspiracy theorists convention for a few days ;) ;D ;D ;D
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« Reply #47 on: 20 April 2013, 11:28:53 »

I blame the CIA  :-X :-X :-X :D

 ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

Nope. Aliens. Has all the hallmarks. Escaped from Area 51, they did. ;)

Brilliant, Kevin.  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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« Reply #48 on: 20 April 2013, 12:14:49 »

Here we go another conspiracy, it was the North koreans ::) ;D ;D

Cleggy everyone is free in their opinion.. and I think I dont need your criticism ;)

Well my friend you're going to get it, let's face it you probably don't believe in the moon landings, conspiracy my arse ::) ::) ;D ;D

without doubt you missed those 9/11 threads on OOF .. well , not worth to share them again for someone who  read and  accept everything as is .. go on jump the train..

No I didn't, that is the point, your theories then were  dubious to say the least and boring  :(
First and most important these are not my theories.. ::) ;)
as I'm neither an ex-military  nor an architect.. :D
The proofs I have shared before were all signed by architects and engineers  :)
the evidence about 9/11 is a widely accepted fact. hence why Bush govt brought down..
and by saying this you shoot your self from the head (not feet)  ;D
and plus when we are talking about a country who has assasinated several presidents
and a nation even not having its own money control conspiracies become the truth rather than being theories
yeah Lee Harvey Oswald shot Kennedy.. my arse ;D

Oh no Cem, not that one again! ::) ::) ::) ::) :D :D :D

To start with the thread is about the Boston bombing, and that was by two Americans -  they are all mostly from "foreign" descent - , with a twisted warped mind that appears to be linked to their Chechen families past, but acting alone on some kind of mission as most nutters have done throughout history. Hopefully the last of the two brothers will die in hospital! :D :D :D

On the old chestnut of 9/11 it was NO conspiracy. The design of the towers has been proved to be the reason for their collapse after being subjected to extreme stresses.  :y :y

........and no the Boston bombing, 9/11, Lockerbie, Moon landings, the shooting of JFK, America's involvement in WW2, etc, etc, are not linked, apart from the fact the USA is THE super-power and is going to be a target for hotheads of one shade or another, along with extreme accusations. ;) ;) 
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Re: Boston Marathon explosions
« Reply #50 on: 20 April 2013, 21:06:52 »

why is it that some people always see things in a situation that is not there is it to try and wind people up or are they trying to discredit the country that the act has taken place conspiracy theorists cause more problems than that are already there this has nothing to do with cia ira or anybody else than two idiots trying to make a name for themselves and to kill as many inocent men.women & babies as they can how the hell can you see anything else ib that just bloody scaremongerin then shout foul when people on this forum shout them down ...just rediculas >:( >:( >:(

sorry if ive upset people but i had to say my piece
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Re: Boston Marathon explosions
« Reply #51 on: 21 April 2013, 22:01:27 »

You won't convince CEM of the facts relating to any terrorism against the USA, so save your typing finger.
I recently had the privelege of joining a 911 Memorial Tour in New York. I commend it to any who can get there. The tours are guided by survivors, first responders etc., very very impressive. :y :y :y
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« Reply #52 on: 21 April 2013, 22:30:31 »

You won't convince CEM of the facts relating to any terrorism against the USA, so save your typing finger.
I recently had the privelege of joining a 911 Memorial Tour in New York. I commend it to any who can get there. The tours are guided by survivors, first responders etc., very very impressive. :y :y :y

Shackeng, thanks you gave me this opportunity to explain.. :y
 
human life is very very precious in my eyes..  be it a USA citizen or  UK citizen or an Egyptian or a Russian or a Iraq citizen..  I repeat, anyone in my eyes from whatever country have the same value of life.. believe me or not..
 
Unfortunately USA's past records are full of bad stories including 9/11.. So in events occured in USA I step back and look events and think who may use this event politically and wait for further events to raise their head and later I make my final judgement.. because history tought me that not every event is actually what it is told to be..
thanks to media >:(
 
 When 9/11 happened , I really feel sad for those people..my first words were "later too much blood will be shed and too many innocent people will die for this"...still people loosing their lifes because of this event..  :(
 
and must state  also my first impressions was that this event was beyond capability of those naked feet tribals..  of course I dont have those informations shared on the video at the time.. so many years passed and thanks to those people (and these are also USA citizens) they told us what happened.. you may choose to believe them or not.. But I do..
 
so for that bombing event , may be an ordinary terrorism or may be different but I prefer to wait and see what happens later .. so I wont quickly accept what the media tell us..
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Re: Boston Marathon explosions
« Reply #53 on: 21 April 2013, 22:47:03 »

For me what blows these conspiracy theories out of the water, is the ease at which something can be leaked.

Lets hypothetically say yes, 9/11 was government planned & yes this latest Boston incident was the mad hat plan of a US Government department, Russian, or who ever.

There would have been previous discussions on it, planning, material sourcing, it only takes one screenshot, one mobile phone photo, one voice mail, one secret recording that's then fed to the media.

Someone, somewhere would have thought "I can make some money selling this to CNN"

So for me, none of these conspiracy fiction based stories stack up. Including idea of this Boston attack being planned by a government, for one, if a government body would go to all the hassle they would have done a much better job, or a much more hi-profile event and clearly put the rag heads at the centre of it to justify on-going wars.

Sorry Cem, this very much looks like a couple of nutters who planted a bomb. Surely you can understand that does and will happen?
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« Reply #54 on: 21 April 2013, 22:51:36 »

For me what blows these conspiracy theories out of the water, is the ease at which something can be leaked.

Lets hypothetically say yes, 9/11 was government planned & yes this latest Boston incident was the mad hat plan of a US Government department, Russian, or who ever.

There would have been previous discussions on it, planning, material sourcing, it only takes one screenshot, one mobile phone photo, one voice mail, one secret recording that's then fed to the media.

Someone, somewhere would have thought "I can make some money selling this to CNN"

So for me, none of these conspiracy fiction based stories stack up. Including idea of this Boston attack being planned by a government, for one, if a government body would go to all the hassle they would have done a much better job, or a much more hi-profile event and clearly put the rag heads at the centre of it to justify on-going wars.

Sorry Cem, this very much looks like a couple of nutters who planted a bomb. Surely you can understand that does and will happen?

Tunnie, regardless of this bombing related to govt or independant , do you think CNN or any other media is out of govt control in any event.. none of these private organizations can fight with govt..
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Re: Boston Marathon explosions
« Reply #55 on: 21 April 2013, 22:53:44 »

Funny, it seems that these two (and the mother) were 911 deniers/conspiracy theorists......just saying ::)
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Re: Boston Marathon explosions
« Reply #56 on: 21 April 2013, 22:58:27 »

For me what blows these conspiracy theories out of the water, is the ease at which something can be leaked.

Lets hypothetically say yes, 9/11 was government planned & yes this latest Boston incident was the mad hat plan of a US Government department, Russian, or who ever.

There would have been previous discussions on it, planning, material sourcing, it only takes one screenshot, one mobile phone photo, one voice mail, one secret recording that's then fed to the media.

Someone, somewhere would have thought "I can make some money selling this to CNN"

So for me, none of these conspiracy fiction based stories stack up. Including idea of this Boston attack being planned by a government, for one, if a government body would go to all the hassle they would have done a much better job, or a much more hi-profile event and clearly put the rag heads at the centre of it to justify on-going wars.

Sorry Cem, this very much looks like a couple of nutters who planted a bomb. Surely you can understand that does and will happen?

Tunnie, regardless of this bombing related to govt or independant , do you think CNN or any other media is out of govt control in any event.. none of these private organizations can fight with govt..

Oh for frak sake  ::)

They could post it on facebook or twitter, my point was its easy to get evidence out there in public domain instantly.

Take a photo, pop it on you own facebook account. Bam its out there.
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Re: Boston Marathon explosions
« Reply #57 on: 21 April 2013, 23:21:30 »

Life being precious is generally a western country ideal, where we have few children and expect them to normally have a long healthy life. In many other countries of the world, the opposite is true, where mortality rates are high, life expectancy is low with large 10 to 15 children families being normal. In these countries relative to ours, life is considered as a somewhat cheaper commodity and more expendable.

This is not to downplay the grief from the loss of a child or family member but it is expected as part of the normal cycle of life.

Before the Industrial revolution the same was true in the UK, with large families, high mortality and a largely stable (or slow growing) UK population. The loss or illness of the breadwinner (usually the man) in a working class / farm labouring family would often lead to a dire and often fatal outcome for the family of starvation, especially winter starvation. :o The Industrial Revolution in the UK changed this with increasing relative wealth and regular work for one or more members of a family, which meant that although conditions were still very poor by today's standards, starvation was much rarer and with the same large families and lower mortality rates, the population grew rapidly.

I'm sure Lizzie can add to this.

Cem, most democratic governments have a lot less power in an open society, than you give them credit for. Iran, Cuba, North Korea and their ilk with their non-existent personal freedoms and 'corrective' gulag system are much more able to suppress news and events, Chernobyl is a good example. If it had not been for radiation spreading around the world, the Russians would not of admitted it!  :o Likewise, it has only been since the end of the USSR and the cold war, that we have learnt how unreliable Russian nuclear submarines were and how many they lost or were destroyed through equipment failure and fires. So why everytime something happens in these countries, don't we get a conspiracy theory from you? What is your conspiracy theory for the Chinese earthquake or the Chechen attacks in the past on a Moscow airport and metro stations? In China has it been staged to consolidate the new leaders power and were the Moscow attacks likewise for Putin and his governments benefit?

With the Mars rover, what is your take on the suppression of the news on the anonymous alien terrorist group (assumed to be little the green men) that have capture it and are holding the US government to ransom, where the lunar landings, disrupted their supply of cheese from the moon?  ::) :o ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Re: Boston Marathon explosions
« Reply #58 on: 22 April 2013, 00:14:53 »

Life being precious is generally a western country ideal

here we go again.. ::)
 
Rods, this statement is completely wrong generalisation from all prespectives..   :(
 

Cem, most democratic governments have a lot less power in an open society
 

now explain me how they cover up Kennedy assasination and 9/11 ?  ::)
 
 

Iran, Cuba, North Korea and their ilk with their non-existent personal freedoms
 

again you compare apples and pears :-\
 
 

and 'corrective' gulag system are much more able to suppress news and events, Chernobyl is a good example. If it had not been for radiation spreading around the world, the Russians would not of admitted it!  :o Likewise, it has only been since the end of the USSR and the cold war, that we have learnt how unreliable Russian nuclear submarines were and how many they lost or were destroyed through equipment failure and fires.

as I said , you talk like a capitalist propoganda film.. sorry ;D
 

So why everytime something happens in these countries, don't we get a conspiracy theory from you?

your expectations are very high Rods :)
 

 What is your conspiracy theory for the Chinese earthquake or the Chechen attacks in the past on a Moscow airport and metro stations? In China has it been staged to consolidate the new leaders power and were the Moscow attacks likewise for Putin and his governments benefit?

you cant be serious..these are obvious events and I think no further explanation required ;)
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« Reply #59 on: 22 April 2013, 00:23:25 »

so Rods please explain me why western world starts most wars, invades many countries even too far and still tells we are making people free by bombing them :D
 
you see .. if I make generalisation that makes wrong conclusions.. its not the western civilisation,
its started by,people who dominates western civilisation..
 
because they need more more money continously.. >:(
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