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[Lizzie_Zoom]

So GCHQ could be spying on British citizens, and others, using an american computer programme to "watch" Google and all other search engines in addition to social web sights.

Why the surprise?  Spying on everyone, and not just Russians, has been so for ages, since at least WW2, in Defence of the Realm, and to protect us all from attack from our enemies, who we know only too well now can be from within.

So there are many MP's now coming out to say it is wrong and acting as they knew nothing about it! What nonsense, only the very highest in our intelligence agencies who can be trusted, with so much being discussed with the Prime Minister and probably a limited circle of the Cabinet, would be kept informed of what is being acted out.  How many MP's can be trusted with such sensitive intelligence if they were kept in the loop? Once more, for decades only a very few "elite" politicians have been kept informed as few can be trusted with the highest level of state secrets.

It all makes me laugh, and cringe at the same time.  Are people that gullible to belive in our democracy everyone should know it all?  That would be a recipe for disaster!!

     

[AndyRoid]

Are people that gullible to belive in our democracy everyone should know it all?  That would be a recipe for disaster!!

You'll be surprised at what people have been programmed to accept, and those that don't get fined £80 every time they speak up 

[dbug]

So GCHQ could be spying on British citizens, and others, using an american computer programme to "watch" Google and all other search engines in addition to social web sights.

Why the surprise?  Spying on everyone, and not just Russians, has been so for ages, since at least WW2, in Defence of the Realm, and to protect us all from attack from our enemies, who we know only too well now can be from within.

So there are many MP's now coming out to say it is wrong and acting as they knew nothing about it! What nonsense, only the very highest in our intelligence agencies who can be trusted, with so much being discussed with the Prime Minister and probably a limited circle of the Cabinet, would be kept informed of what is being acted out.  How many MP's can be trusted with such sensitive intelligence if they were kept in the loop? Once more, for decades only a very few "elite" politicians have been kept informed as few can be trusted with the highest level of state secrets.

It all makes me laugh, and cringe at the same time.  Are people that gullible to belive in our democracy everyone should know it all?  That would be a recipe for disaster!!

     

A budding "spy" eh Lizzie, with friends in high places

[Varche]

Why should we be surprised? No one has ever satisfactorily explained Guantanamo Bay to me.

[cem_devecioglu]

any govt applying dictatorship measures (less or more) should watch some of our channels ..

[Rods2]

Knowledge is power

As Churchill said during WW2 when it came to deceiving our enemies with our intentions: The truth is far too precious for us not to use every method at our disposal to deceive them of our intentions.

Likewise, knowing what the enemy is going to do is one big advantage, hence Bletchley Park. This save countless lives and shortened the war.

Lizzie 007 I'm shocked. You mean the GCHQ spy centre is used to spy on people, whatever next. 

If it helps to make us safer from our enemies abroad and within then it is a necessary part of keeping our democracy. As a terrorist said: We only have to be lucky once. Hence 9/11 and 7/7, not to mention the IRA bomb outrages. 

[Sir Tigger KC]

I recently got a new smartphone and when I tried to download an 'app' I was told I had to register with Google and they reserved the right collect information as to my usage and location, which would be collected anonymously! 

"Yeah right!" I thought and I still havn't registered or downloaded the 'app' as I feel a little uneasy about it!    I know I'm being daft, because at the end of the day I don't really care if some geek in Cheltenham knows I'm looking at porn in Dorset!! 

[tigers_gonads]

Knowledge is power

As Churchill said during WW2 when it came to deceiving our enemies with our intentions: The truth is far too precious for us not to use every method at our disposal to deceive them of our intentions.

Likewise, knowing what the enemy is going to do is one big advantage, hence Bletchley Park. This save countless lives and shortened the war.

Lizzie 007 I'm shocked. You mean the GCHQ spy centre is used to spy on people, whatever next. 

If it helps to make us safer from our enemies abroad and within then it is a necessary part of keeping our democracy. As a terrorist said: We only have to be lucky once. Hence 9/11 and 7/7, not to mention the IRA bomb outrages. 

As Rods says 

The powers that be have been monitoring everyday communications since day one from places like Cheltenham and Menworth Hill.
No matter what you use, if it is electronic then it can be intercepted simples.

[MR MISTER]

I recently got a new smartphone and when I tried to download an 'app' I was told I had to register with Google and they reserved the right collect information as to my usage and location, which would be collected anonymously! 

"Yeah right!" I thought and I still havn't registered or downloaded the 'app' as I feel a little uneasy about it!    I know I'm being daft, because at the end of the day I don't really care if some geek in Cheltenham knows I'm looking at porn in Dorset!! 

You won't be able to use the play store until you open a Google account. Almost every app on your phone can read your contacts, switch your phone off/on, mess with your setting etc.
Your credit/debit card tells us where you shop and what you buy. CCTV is watching you in town.

Live with it or become a paranoid hermit.

[AndyRoid]

I recently got a new smartphone and when I tried to download an 'app' I was told I had to register with Google and they reserved the right collect information as to my usage and location, which would be collected anonymously! 

"Yeah right!" I thought and I still havn't registered or downloaded the 'app' as I feel a little uneasy about it!    I know I'm being daft, because at the end of the day I don't really care if some geek in Cheltenham knows I'm looking at porn in Dorset!! 

ALL permissions are enabled by default at the development stage of an app, and most programmers are too lazy to deselect the permissions the app won't actually use.

However if you want total control over what permissions are granted to a particular app, root your handset and install LBE Privacy Guard

[cem_devecioglu]

Knowledge is power

As Churchill said during WW2 when it came to deceiving our enemies with our intentions: The truth is far too precious for us not to use every method at our disposal to deceive them of our intentions.

Likewise, knowing what the enemy is going to do is one big advantage, hence Bletchley Park. This save countless lives and shortened the war.

Lizzie 007 I'm shocked. You mean the GCHQ spy centre is used to spy on people, whatever next. 

If it helps to make us safer from our enemies abroad and within then it is a necessary part of keeping our democracy. As a terrorist said: We only have to be lucky once. Hence 9/11 and 7/7, not to mention the IRA bomb outrages. 

Rods you are not in war ..  at least not a big one

[YZ250]

I recently got a new smartphone and when I tried to download an 'app' I was told I had to register with Google and they reserved the right collect information as to my usage and location, which would be collected anonymously! 

On my way to Newent last year, my phone beeped and a message said "Welcome to Gloucester, come and visit our shopping centre".  As I had previously told SWMBO that there were no shops for miles around, I was not pleased about that message. 

[Lizzie_Zoom]

Knowledge is power

As Churchill said during WW2 when it came to deceiving our enemies with our intentions: The truth is far too precious for us not to use every method at our disposal to deceive them of our intentions.

Likewise, knowing what the enemy is going to do is one big advantage, hence Bletchley Park. This save countless lives and shortened the war.

Lizzie 007 I'm shocked. You mean the GCHQ spy centre is used to spy on people, whatever next. 

If it helps to make us safer from our enemies abroad and within then it is a necessary part of keeping our democracy. As a terrorist said: We only have to be lucky once. Hence 9/11 and 7/7, not to mention the IRA bomb outrages. 

Absolutely right Rods2, and exactly why no one of any intelligence should be shocked about GCHQ gaining information in any form they can, by any means, in Defence of the Realm.

The process actually started at the time of the French Revolution in 1789, when the British Government under William Pitt the younger paid agents of the Realm to inform on any revolutionary elements in this country.  Historians are aware, with some evidence to support it, that those agents also mounted a campaign to discredit certain elements of The French Revolution in France, and "influence" events. Thereafter, "revolutionary" movements, such as the Chartists, were monitored by agents of the Realm.

Therefore GCHQ is doing what Bletchley Park did before, as you rightly say Rods2, and also during the previous 200 years with great success It is just the technology has changed.

May their receipe never change and every power to their elbow to ensure we can all sleep safely at night

[Sir Tigger KC]

Live with it or become a paranoid hermit.

I think I'm half way there already...   

[Lizzie_Zoom]

So GCHQ could be spying on British citizens, and others, using an american computer programme to "watch" Google and all other search engines in addition to social web sights.

Why the surprise?  Spying on everyone, and not just Russians, has been so for ages, since at least WW2, in Defence of the Realm, and to protect us all from attack from our enemies, who we know only too well now can be from within.

So there are many MP's now coming out to say it is wrong and acting as they knew nothing about it! What nonsense, only the very highest in our intelligence agencies who can be trusted, with so much being discussed with the Prime Minister and probably a limited circle of the Cabinet, would be kept informed of what is being acted out.  How many MP's can be trusted with such sensitive intelligence if they were kept in the loop? Once more, for decades only a very few "elite" politicians have been kept informed as few can be trusted with the highest level of state secrets.

It all makes me laugh, and cringe at the same time.  Are people that gullible to belive in our democracy everyone should know it all?  That would be a recipe for disaster!!

     

A budding "spy" eh Lizzie, with friends in high places

I cannot comment on that dbug, as I have signed the Official Secrets Act!

Seriously, nor could William Hague, the Foreign Secretary, comment much on the Marr show this morning for exactly the same reasons. As said before, what our elite politicians know is much greater than they can ever comment on, nor in fact do they actually know all that MI5 and MI6 get up to as politicians can never be trusted, and are a very fluid element in the organisation overall, lasting maybe only 5 years in power.