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[Vamps]

I'm working on the principal of fuel - LPGed it

Road tax - they will U turn like they did on th 10% tax rate

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I think you may have a point, I do not think that Jo public realise about road tax yet, certainly not in relation to older family cars.

[Martin_1962]

I'm working on the principal of fuel - LPGed it

Road tax - they will U turn like they did on th 10% tax rate

Never, its 'socially acceptable' in same way '4x4 taxes' are acceptable, and this government needs money raised fast.

Not on the back dating - now the press have realised they are starting to apply pressure.

[Nickbat]

I'm working on the principal of fuel - LPGed it

Road tax - they will U turn like they did on th 10% tax rate

Never, its 'socially acceptable' in same way '4x4 taxes' are acceptable, and this government needs money raised fast.

Not on the back dating - now the press have realised they are starting to apply pressure.

Indeed, Martin, I think they are going to be in trouble over this.

This is from the ABD page (http://www.abd.org.uk/

Has Angela Eagle Misled Parliament On Vehicle Excise Duty?

ABD Analyzes Treasury Claims about VED

In a recent debate between Angela Eagle and Shadow Treasury Minister Justine Greening, Angela Eagle responded to an accusation by Greening that the new VED (car tax) regime was hitting families with the following:

"Drivers of 24 of the 30 most popular cars in the UK will pay less, or no more VED, as a result of these changes. Popular versions of cars that will pay less include the Ford Focus, the Renault clit, the Vauxhall Astra and the Citroen Xsara Picasso. This is not an attack on the family car."

According to figures from the SMMT (Society of Motor Manufacturers & Traders) 2:
 
All models of Citroen Xsara Picasso except the 1.6 diesel face huge hikes in VED:
• All petrol manual models rise from a current £170 to £260.
• All automatic models (a popular model for some disabled drivers) rise from £210 to a whopping £300.
• The 2.0 diesel remains unchanged at £120.
• The ONLY model to go down is the 1.6 diesel from £120 to £110, a negligible drop.
 
All petrol Ford Focuses face higher VED. All Diesel Focuses stay the same. (Note: Where two figures are given it is due to model variations):
• The 1.4 petrol goes from £145 to £150/£175.
• The 1.6 petrol goes from £145/£170 to £150/£175.
• The 1.8 from £170 to £175/£260 and 2.0 from £170/£210 to £175/£300.
• Petrol automatics rise from £210 to £260 or £300
(ST performance model not included in calculations)

ABD spokesman Nigel Humphries said:

“This looks to be a clear case of misleading parliament and the public. The question now has to be whether HM Treasury knew that older family cars would be affected and hoped nobody would notice, or they have made a 'mistake' even more incredible that the 10p tax debacle and hadn't even realised that older car emissions data is different to new car data. Certainly Ms Eagle's statement appears to reflect either deviousness or gross incompetence. The public deserves an explanation.”

ABD Chairman Brian Gregory said:

“These are not even large family cars. The rises for real family cars such as Mondeos, Lagunas, Galaxies, Zafiras and Vectras are even worse. We haven't even touched upon the 4x4s that many drivers own, and for many road users 4x4 models are essential, to navigate either rural roadways or pot-holed urban roads. Government ministers must inhabit a different world where everybody chooses a brand new car every few years and doesn't have to consider the resale value. They either haven't thought about the implications for the older car owner or they simply don't care.”


..err, don't care I reckon.

Nick

[Iainv6]

I'm working on the principal of fuel - LPGed it

Road tax - they will U turn like they did on th 10% tax rate

Never, its 'socially acceptable' in same way '4x4 taxes' are acceptable, and this government needs money raised fast.

Not on the back dating - now the press have realised they are starting to apply pressure.

Indeed, Martin, I think they are going to be in trouble over this.

This is from the ABD page (http://www.abd.org.uk/

Has Angela Eagle Misled Parliament On Vehicle Excise Duty?

ABD Analyzes Treasury Claims about VED

In a recent debate between Angela Eagle and Shadow Treasury Minister Justine Greening, Angela Eagle responded to an accusation by Greening that the new VED (car tax) regime was hitting families with the following:

"Drivers of 24 of the 30 most popular cars in the UK will pay less, or no more VED, as a result of these changes. Popular versions of cars that will pay less include the Ford Focus, the Renault clit, the Vauxhall Astra and the Citroen Xsara Picasso. This is not an attack on the family car."

According to figures from the SMMT (Society of Motor Manufacturers & Traders) 2:
 
All models of Citroen Xsara Picasso except the 1.6 diesel face huge hikes in VED:
• All petrol manual models rise from a current £170 to £260.
• All automatic models (a popular model for some disabled drivers) rise from £210 to a whopping £300.
• The 2.0 diesel remains unchanged at £120.
• The ONLY model to go down is the 1.6 diesel from £120 to £110, a negligible drop.
 
All petrol Ford Focuses face higher VED. All Diesel Focuses stay the same. (Note: Where two figures are given it is due to model variations):
• The 1.4 petrol goes from £145 to £150/£175.
• The 1.6 petrol goes from £145/£170 to £150/£175.
• The 1.8 from £170 to £175/£260 and 2.0 from £170/£210 to £175/£300.
• Petrol automatics rise from £210 to £260 or £300
(ST performance model not included in calculations)

ABD spokesman Nigel Humphries said:

“This looks to be a clear case of misleading parliament and the public. The question now has to be whether HM Treasury knew that older family cars would be affected and hoped nobody would notice, or they have made a 'mistake' even more incredible that the 10p tax debacle and hadn't even realised that older car emissions data is different to new car data. Certainly Ms Eagle's statement appears to reflect either deviousness or gross incompetence. The public deserves an explanation.”

ABD Chairman Brian Gregory said:

“These are not even large family cars. The rises for real family cars such as Mondeos, Lagunas, Galaxies, Zafiras and Vectras are even worse. We haven't even touched upon the 4x4s that many drivers own, and for many road users 4x4 models are essential, to navigate either rural roadways or pot-holed urban roads. Government ministers must inhabit a different world where everybody chooses a brand new car every few years and doesn't have to consider the resale value. They either haven't thought about the implications for the older car owner or they simply don't care.”


..err, don't care I reckon.

Nick

They are Alan B'stards to a man (or a woman in this case), my 2000 JUST gets by them but what about next year? Will the goalposts move again?

I didn't vote them in 10 years ago, and would never vote for them now.

[TheBoy]

I'm working on the principal of fuel - LPGed it

Road tax - they will U turn like they did on th 10% tax rate

Never, its 'socially acceptable' in same way '4x4 taxes' are acceptable, and this government needs money raised fast.

Not on the back dating - now the press have realised they are starting to apply pressure.

So the fairest way would be to scrap VED entirely, and make up for loss of revenue by hiking petrol/diesel/lpg/biofuels duty to higher levels?

[Omegavirgin]

It's a pain for everyone.Bought a 95 elite for £300 knowing it will cost at the pump but how much would i have to pay for a new car with the same spec just to keep the elected idiots happy?  Also bet my wedding veg it wouldnt be as much fun or as comfortable to drive.

[Andy B]

....Bought a 95 elite for £300  ......

The new rates won't affect you then.

[Omegavirgin]

Just pump prices hurt at the moment. But it's still worth it.

[Andy B]

Just pump prices hurt at the moment. But it's still worth it.

You've just got to think that there's always someone, somewhere, worse off than you ...... mpg wise! I thought that yesterday afternoon as an Aston Martin DB6 DHC followed me through Grassington village.

[TheBoy]

Just pump prices hurt at the moment. But it's still worth it.

You've just got to think that there's always someone, somewhere, worse off than you ...... mpg wise! I thought that yesterday afternoon as an Aston Martin DB6 DHC followed me through Grassington village.

Yeah, my brother's gay X5 (4.8 v8). Reckon he did a gallon just turning round

[Danny]

Just sold my beloved 3.2.

Buyer got a steal at 3k!!

I'll be punishing Gurdop Brown at the next election - it's all his thieving fault!!!

Now own a diseasel Mondeo!  Sooooo not the same!!!!

Keith    

         


blimey, at this rate the forum will have to be called " used to have an omega but had to sell it forum"  

looks that way, mine will be on the market soon, and should also be a bargain for someone, the desperately quick sale i require will mean losing money