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[Paulus62]

Hi All,

Things were going well yesterday, got cam covers on and air intake/fuel injection in place & drained the oil 

Problem came to getting oil filter off, the 3/8" square had been slightly mangled by a previous person & I didn't have a 24mm socket or spanner! Luckily my mate across the road did and I went to undo the cap, couldn't move it with the normal ½" drive ratchet so moved up to the long ½" torque ratchet bar. set it at 40 Nm and it clicked so cranked it up to 100 Nm and movement, this continued for some while, (having to click ratchet by hand one click to get socket back on the nut) and all the time needing max effort to move the oil filter. To cut a long story short, the whole filter housing was moving so thought would have to do the convertion in maintenance guides, I borrowed a ¾" drive 24mm and a oil filter chain wrench and after half an our of unwinding (1 click at a time) the housing was still in the same position  I then put the chain wrench on the housing and braced it against the steering link bar and undid the cap (initial turn was very very tight, then turned by hand, could have save myself 2 hours of frustration and growing annoyance 

Query; as the housing was just spinning and only with a 450mm bar am I okay to put in new filter and torque up to 15 Nm as it says on the cap, or will I have a leak around the base of the filter housing?

Secondly:


Is the arrowed bolt the Camshaft sprocket bolt and if so the Torque guide gives this as the values:

Camshaft sprocket to camshaft   50 + 60° + 15°   1

There are no notes at the bottom to indicate what the 1 at the end advises can anyone help please?

Cheers - Paul

[JamesV6CDX]

Just ensure the housing retaining (hollow) bolt is torqued properly while the cap is off. Its usually a 12mm alan key type fitting

[Paulus62]

Thanks James 

Didn't think to check inside, Doh! 

[Paulus62]

Have taken sump off to clean any rubbish sitting there, below are 2 pics of the inside 



Should I try to remove as much of this as possible before refitting the sump?

Starting to get ear ache from SWMBO 

[dbug]

Have taken sump off to clean any rubbish sitting there, below are 2 pics of the inside 

Should I try to remove as much of this as possible before refitting the sump?

Starting to get ear ache from SWMBO

Get her to "polish" it up mate 

[Paulus62]

Have taken sump off to clean any rubbish sitting there, below are 2 pics of the inside 

Should I try to remove as much of this as possible before refitting the sump?

Starting to get ear ache from SWMBO

Get her to "polish" it up mate

Just as well she doesn't look at this, she's got her own to do   

[Webby the Bear]

I think what you were experiencing is the whole housing spinning. once removed you can retighten the assembly the filter 'cover' screws on to if that makes sense. then do up to 15nm if that's the specified torque.

I have personally never torqued a filter or filter housing. snug is good is my opinion.

one last thing...... are you using a torque wrench set at a certain torque to break stuff loose? my understanding (and of course correct me if im wrong) but stuff isn't meant to be broken loose with a torque wrench?

 

[dbug]

I think what you were experiencing is the whole housing spinning. once removed you can retighten the assembly the filter 'cover' screws on to if that makes sense. then do up to 15nm if that's the specified torque.

I have personally never torqued a filter or filter housing. snug is good is my opinion.

one last thing...... are you using a torque wrench set at a certain torque to break stuff loose? my understanding (and of course correct me if im wrong) but stuff isn't meant to be broken loose with a torque wrench?

 

Agreed, but it does give an idea of how tight it was, plus the op may not have a long breaker bar or a length of lead pipe (or a large sammy ) 

[Webby the Bear]

I think what you were experiencing is the whole housing spinning. once removed you can retighten the assembly the filter 'cover' screws on to if that makes sense. then do up to 15nm if that's the specified torque.

I have personally never torqued a filter or filter housing. snug is good is my opinion.

one last thing...... are you using a torque wrench set at a certain torque to break stuff loose? my understanding (and of course correct me if im wrong) but stuff isn't meant to be broken loose with a torque wrench?

 

Agreed, but it does give an idea of how tight it was, plus the op may not have a long breaker bar or a length of lead pipe (or a large sammy ) 

totally....100nm torque on the filter housing 

[dbug]

I think what you were experiencing is the whole housing spinning. once removed you can retighten the assembly the filter 'cover' screws on to if that makes sense. then do up to 15nm if that's the specified torque.

I have personally never torqued a filter or filter housing. snug is good is my opinion.

one last thing...... are you using a torque wrench set at a certain torque to break stuff loose? my understanding (and of course correct me if im wrong) but stuff isn't meant to be broken loose with a torque wrench?

 

Agreed, but it does give an idea of how tight it was, plus the op may not have a long breaker bar or a length of lead pipe (or a large sammy ) 

totally....100nm torque on the filter housing 

Yep just a tad high 

[Paulus62]

I think what you were experiencing is the whole housing spinning. once removed you can retighten the assembly the filter 'cover' screws on to if that makes sense. then do up to 15nm if that's the specified torque.

I have personally never torqued a filter or filter housing. snug is good is my opinion.

one last thing...... are you using a torque wrench set at a certain torque to break stuff loose? my understanding (and of course correct me if im wrong) but stuff isn't meant to be broken loose with a torque wrench?

 

Agreed, but it does give an idea of how tight it was, plus the op may not have a long breaker bar or a length of lead pipe (or a large sammy ) 

totally....100nm torque on the filter housing 

Yep just a tad high 

Thanks all 

The torque wrench it is one that torque up both right & left handed thread, that's how I was able to use it.  It's a friend of mine's (who is a retired engineer, in his younger days did quite a bit of rallying & one of the car's he had, had opposite handed threads in some parts) he lent it to me as my torque wrench has only a short handle & only works tightening clockwise & states not for use anticlockwise 

Any takers on the query on torque values for cam cogs & what the postscript should have been? please 

[symes]

Hi All,

Things were going well yesterday, got cam covers on and air intake/fuel injection in place & drained the oil 

Problem came to getting oil filter off, the 3/8" square had been slightly mangled by a previous person & I didn't have a 24mm socket or spanner! Luckily my mate across the road did and I went to undo the cap, couldn't move it with the normal ½" drive ratchet so moved up to the long ½" torque ratchet bar. set it at 40 Nm and it clicked so cranked it up to 100 Nm and movement, this continued for some while, (having to click ratchet by hand one click to get socket back on the nut) and all the time needing max effort to move the oil filter. To cut a long story short, the whole filter housing was moving so thought would have to do the convertion in maintenance guides, I borrowed a ¾" drive 24mm and a oil filter chain wrench and after half an our of unwinding (1 click at a time) the housing was still in the same position  I then put the chain wrench on the housing and braced it against the steering link bar and undid the cap (initial turn was very very tight, then turned by hand, could have save myself 2 hours of frustration and growing annoyance 

Query; as the housing was just spinning and only with a 450mm bar am I okay to put in new filter and torque up to 15 Nm as it says on the cap, or will I have a leak around the base of the filter housing?

Secondly:


Is the arrowed bolt the Camshaft sprocket bolt and if so the Torque guide gives this as the values:

Camshaft sprocket to camshaft   50 + 60° + 15°   1

There are no notes at the bottom to indicate what the 1 at the end advises can anyone help please?

Cheers - Paul

That is correct-just ignore the 1 everything else is correct

[albitz]

As for all that crud you can see when you took the sump off.I would use paraffin soaked rags and an old tooth brush to remove all that you can get at,and do the same to the sump pan itself.Then chuck some cheapo oil in there and run the engine for a while,then drain it and refill with the good stuff.
For what its worth,imo your going he right way about this.Systematically and methodically.Not cutting any corners.Your engine should run as sweet a nut when your finished.

[symes]

As for all that crud you can see when you took the sump off.I would use paraffin soaked rags and an old tooth brush to remove all that you can get at,and do the same to the sump pan itself.Then chuck some cheapo oil in there and run the engine for a while,then drain it and refill with the good stuff.
For what its worth,imo your going he right way about this.Systematically and methodically.Not cutting any corners.Your engine should run as sweet a nut when your finished.

+1

[omega3000]

Have taken sump off to clean any rubbish sitting there, below are 2 pics of the inside 



Should I try to remove as much of this as possible before refitting the sump?

Starting to get ear ache from SWMBO 

That looks like someones oven after a good turkey roast