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[dbug]

Agreed. You seem to have started talking sense lately? (Very tongue in cheek remark)

Always spoke sense Gixer - guess you didn't understand sense until recently   (Very tongue in cheek remark) 

Don't be upset though Gixer - your new best friend "Jedi master" will be along later to disagree with all of us

Should make you feel wanted 

[cem_devecioglu]

By the way Al you didnt tell us the test order for your Enduro!

[chrisgixer]

So you read the tests. Then based on the results, supply tyres to your friends. And assuming they don't openly complain in the face of this generosity,  you then consider a tyre to be worthy of recommendation.

Unless of course, I have missed something

my friends pay money for those tyres.. if they face a problem that will reflect to me sooner or later.. remember I didnt start helping people yesterday

Until you've had problems you've learned nothing, Cem.


Time and time again, still no acceptance of the problem. Although... Your not the first, it is difficult to believe.

[Kevin Wood]

In the case of Gixer's Falkens (can't remember if they were 452 or 912), I have a theory that they were overdriven, which caused something to happen to them.

We might be getting somewhere there.. Might also apply to SC5s? .. although they were sh1te from day 1 with no hard driving?  None at all? 

You overheat them once or twice, either the surface rubber hardens permanently, or something in the tyre structure weakens, leading to a tyre that will never perform well. Other tyres handle the heat better, don't get as hot under the same conditions, or dissipate the heat better. SC5 are a fuel economy tyre, IIRC, which probably means less surface area on the road, so the rubber is stressed further, and has less surface to transfer heat to the road.

Smaller car simply can't get enough heat into the tyres?

I can't believe that there's something inherent in the Omega's chassis that makes the tyres perform quite as badly as you describe. Maybe they'd be better in a car with double wishbones, with less weight? My money is on them being sh1te full stop, engineered to get good EU ratings, or damaged by to6 much car.

It's irrelevant, because who, having read your accounts, would risk fitting SC5s to any car, given their cost?

[chrisgixer]

By the way Al you didnt tell us the test order for your Enduro!

Of the budget and mid range tyres on the list at the beginning of this thread, the Runway Enduro is one of the best by all accounts. Those accounts being, dbug, Taxi Al, and later Kevin Wood, and briefly early on myself.

I probably shouldn't mention "myself" in that list as it will be red rag to a bull and opposed to score points, no doubt with no experience again.

[cem_devecioglu]

So you read the tests. Then based on the results, supply tyres to your friends. And assuming they don't openly complain in the face of this generosity,  you then consider a tyre to be worthy of recommendation.

Unless of course, I have missed something

my friends pay money for those tyres.. if they face a problem that will reflect to me sooner or later.. remember I didnt start helping people yesterday

Until you've had problems you've learned nothing, Cem.


Time and time again, still no acceptance of the problem. Although... Your not the first, it is difficult to believe.

I had problems ..  and mostly with the geometry centers.. rarely the car .. and never with the tyres..  but I must confess I never accept something cheaper than  kumho..

[cem_devecioglu]

By the way Al you didnt tell us the test order for your Enduro!

Of the budget and mid range tyres on the list at the beginning of this thread, the Runway Enduro is one of the best by all accounts. Those accounts being, dbug, Taxi Al, and later Kevin Wood, and briefly early on myself.

I probably shouldn't mention "myself" in that list as it will be red rag to a bull and opposed to score points, no doubt with no experience again.

ok then .. let me tell .. 40 th

[chrisgixer]

So you read the tests. Then based on the results, supply tyres to your friends. And assuming they don't openly complain in the face of this generosity,  you then consider a tyre to be worthy of recommendation.

Unless of course, I have missed something

my friends pay money for those tyres.. if they face a problem that will reflect to me sooner or later.. remember I didnt start helping people yesterday

Until you've had problems you've learned nothing, Cem.


Time and time again, still no acceptance of the problem. Although... Your not the first, it is difficult to believe.

I had problems ..  and mostly with the geometry centers.. rarely the car .. and never with the tyres..  but I must confess I never accept something cheaper than  kumho..

Could you list the ones you have tried?

[chrisgixer]

By the way Al you didnt tell us the test order for your Enduro!

Of the budget and mid range tyres on the list at the beginning of this thread, the Runway Enduro is one of the best by all accounts. Those accounts being, dbug, Taxi Al, and later Kevin Wood, and briefly early on myself.

I probably shouldn't mention "myself" in that list as it will be red rag to a bull and opposed to score points, no doubt with no experience again.

ok then .. let me tell .. 40 th

On a golf, I believe they may well be 40th, but I have no experience of that.

[cem_devecioglu]

So you read the tests. Then based on the results, supply tyres to your friends. And assuming they don't openly complain in the face of this generosity,  you then consider a tyre to be worthy of recommendation.

Unless of course, I have missed something

my friends pay money for those tyres.. if they face a problem that will reflect to me sooner or later.. remember I didnt start helping people yesterday

Until you've had problems you've learned nothing, Cem.


Time and time again, still no acceptance of the problem. Although... Your not the first, it is difficult to believe.

I had problems ..  and mostly with the geometry centers.. rarely the car .. and never with the tyres..  but I must confess I never accept something cheaper than  kumho..

Could you list the ones you have tried?

what ? 

you expect me to list the all tyres that I have purchased till midnight.. for what ?

[Andy B]

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[Shackeng]

Its a well known fact that certain brands of tyre do not work on certain cars yet perform well on other marques - there are historical instances of this going back to the days of G800s.  For any body to call a brand of tyre shit based only on their experience on Omegas is just stupid - for example Falkens are not a shit tyre, just unsuited to the Omega chassis based on the practical experience of some members, but are well suited to other makes of car (again from practical experiences).
Unfortunately there is a degree of tunnel vision exhibited by some members - I know its an Omega forum, and I agree that Omegas were great cars in their day, but times change, and the rather pedantic posts that all one manufacturers tyres are shit are wrong, and should perhaps be edited out by admins, or clarified as Omega specific, rather than a generalisation.

I may have misread this thread, but I have had the impression throughout that the discussion has been about the best tyres on OMEGAS, I have never read into any post in the thread that a named tyre will be rubbish on all cars. Most contributors are posting their PERSONAL experiences on their Omegas, exactly the sort of opinion that I value and welcome, and why I am now running Enduros, and am very satisfied. Dbug, I see that you are now driving a Jaguar, so your contribution of an opinion on suitable tyres for Omegas is, to say the least, somewhat dubious:y

Wrong, I have owned or driven (company cars) a number of Omegas over the years, and still run an '03 Omega Estate.  I have also been involved in the formulation and testing of both racing and road tyres for a well known tyre manufacturer, and a well known racing car manufacturer.  By the way I run Enduros on the Estate - perhaps you should have read all the posts before posting your inappropriate comments

My apologies, I had obviously missed that, and I bow to your obviously wider experience, however I still welcome individual comments on their own experiences of tyres on Omegas, which is what I am interested in.

[cem_devecioglu]

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yep.. 

[dbug]

By the way Al you didnt tell us the test order for your Enduro!

Of the budget and mid range tyres on the list at the beginning of this thread, the Runway Enduro is one of the best by all accounts. Those accounts being, dbug, Taxi Al, and later Kevin Wood, and briefly early on myself.

I probably shouldn't mention "myself" in that list as it will be red rag to a bull and opposed to score points, no doubt with no experience again.

Confirm running Enduros on 3 Omegas - old Elite saloon, old Elite Estate and current '03 Estate.  On old Elites ran them from new till barely legal - no adverse issues.  Also ran Accelera Alphas on both the Elites, new 'til had it - no adverse issues.
On company Omegas (as cost not mine), never really looked at the tyres - they were always replaced with same tyre as supplied new.  Company omegas covered around 60K per annum (about 12K of that in mainland Europe), and were replaced around 100K-120K.  Never had tyre issues on company Omegas. (or big Rovers, or E series Mercs etc)

[henryd]

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Far canal  ,I'm sure we've been here before