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[Varche]

I was reading about this today. Impressive stuff.

The Chinese have spotted an opportunity. The Panama canal is not wide enough anymore for super sized ships. They are proposing building a new, fit for purpose , 130 mile canal in Nicaragua. Starting next year and open in 2019. Five years?!   

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/jul/15/chinese-tycoon-plans-to-rival-panama-canal-with-40/?page=all

Here is hoping they don't let the water out of the Pacific into the Atlantic.

Buy shares in Nicaragua.

[chrisgixer]

Just as we're coming out of recession, apparently, I do hope China don't fall on thier arse after thier boom, and drag us all back under again.

Hell of a project though.

[Rods2]

One thing about Chinese is the speed of planning and construction. This is why they have developed such strong air, rail and a road network in such a short time in their country.

In this country there is 20 to 50 years of can kicking, judicial reviews forced by a load of eco protest groups for the planning stage and about 50% of the cost of the project before you get to lift a shovel of earth. Look how the London airport expansion has been a game of pass the buck to the next Government. Our industrial revolution in the 19th century was also based upon the fast effective development of groundbreaking infrastructure, but this era along with strong growth is now at an end.

Whereas the 19th and 20th centuries largely belonged to Western countries, so the 21st century will belong to the BRICS. 

[dbdb]

One thing about Chinese is the speed of planning and construction. This is why they have developed such strong air, rail and a road network in such a short time in their country.

In this country there is 20 to 50 years of can kicking, judicial reviews forced by a load of eco protest groups

Beijing Jan 2013

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-21198265
"Visibility was down to 100m in some places due to the severe pollution"

[Rods2]

One thing about Chinese is the speed of planning and construction. This is why they have developed such strong air, rail and a road network in such a short time in their country.

In this country there is 20 to 50 years of can kicking, judicial reviews forced by a load of eco protest groups

Beijing Jan 2013

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-21198265
"Visibility was down to 100m in some places due to the severe pollution"

Just like London used to be.

The Chinese Government have recently allocated significant funds to control pollution.

History suggests that all countries as they industrialise go through a polluting phase and as they mature more resources are used to improve the environment. Without the wealth being created then the Government would have no money to start improving things. Poor countries like many ex-Soviet have continued to be heavy polluters where they need the money from their heavy industries but the Governments lack the will and the means to tackle the undesirable side effects.

There are many left-wing anarchists groups in this country that hide under the Eco banner as part of their war on society. Fracking is the latest rent a mob target. Animal rights is another area where they are active.

People that disrupt in this way should IMHO be place on a remote Scottish Island and told to get on with it, without all of civilizations benefits. They would soon be running back to mummy and daddy once they realised how hard a life it is without the modern energy consuming machines we rely on to make our lives much easier and more productive.

[Sir Tigger KC]

People that disrupt in this way should IMHO be place on a remote Scottish Island and told to get on with it, without all of civilizations benefits.

A little harsh on the Scots perhaps!    I think we should establish penal colonies on the South Sandwich Islands!! 

Or they could be sent to Nicaragua with all the other criminals and scumbags with a spade, as a gift from us to the Nicaraguan government!! 

[05omegav6]

place on a remote Scottish Island and told to get on with it

They tried that as a Millennium project iirc, the only decent thing to come from it was Ben Fogle

[Lizzie_Zoom]

One thing about Chinese is the speed of planning and construction. This is why they have developed such strong air, rail and a road network in such a short time in their country.

In this country there is 20 to 50 years of can kicking, judicial reviews forced by a load of eco protest groups

Beijing Jan 2013

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-21198265
"Visibility was down to 100m in some places due to the severe pollution"

Just like London used to be.

The Chinese Government have recently allocated significant funds to control pollution.

History suggests that all countries as they industrialise go through a polluting phase and as they mature more resources are used to improve the environment. Without the wealth being created then the Government would have no money to start improving things. Poor countries like many ex-Soviet have continued to be heavy polluters where they need the money from their heavy industries but the Governments lack the will and the means to tackle the undesirable side effects.

There are many left-wing anarchists groups in this country that hide under the Eco banner as part of their war on society. Fracking is the latest rent a mob target. Animal rights is another area where they are active.

People that disrupt in this way should IMHO be place on a remote Scottish Island and told to get on with it, without all of civilizations benefits. They would soon be running back to mummy and daddy once they realised how hard a life it is without the modern energy consuming machines we rely on to make our lives much easier and more productive.

Personally I couldn't agree more Rods2, but we are in a democracy so they have the 'right' to protest and put over their point of view, which now includes that from some "establishment" individuals.  This is where I say that democracy always will have the ability to destroy itself.

In my other words I say the greatest threat to democracy is democracy itself.

[Varche]

One thing about Chinese is the speed of planning and construction. This is why they have developed such strong air, rail and a road network in such a short time in their country.

In this country there is 20 to 50 years of can kicking, judicial reviews forced by a load of eco protest groups

Beijing Jan 2013

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-21198265
"Visibility was down to 100m in some places due to the severe pollution"

Just like London used to be.

The Chinese Government have recently allocated significant funds to control pollution.

History suggests that all countries as they industrialise go through a polluting phase and as they mature more resources are used to improve the environment. Without the wealth being created then the Government would have no money to start improving things. Poor countries like many ex-Soviet have continued to be heavy polluters where they need the money from their heavy industries but the Governments lack the will and the means to tackle the undesirable side effects.

There are many left-wing anarchists groups in this country that hide under the Eco banner as part of their war on society. Fracking is the latest rent a mob target. Animal rights is another area where they are active.

People that disrupt in this way should IMHO be place on a remote Scottish Island and told to get on with it, without all of civilizations benefits. They would soon be running back to mummy and daddy once they realised how hard a life it is without the modern energy consuming machines we rely on to make our lives much easier and more productive.

Personally I couldn't agree more Rods2, but we are in a democracy so they have the 'right' to protest and put over their point of view, which now includes that from some "establishment" individuals.  This is where I say that democracy always will have the ability to destroy itself.

In my other words I say the greatest threat to democracy is democracy itself.[/b]

Unless you live in Egypt of course!!

[Lizzie_Zoom]

One thing about Chinese is the speed of planning and construction. This is why they have developed such strong air, rail and a road network in such a short time in their country.

In this country there is 20 to 50 years of can kicking, judicial reviews forced by a load of eco protest groups

Beijing Jan 2013

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-21198265
"Visibility was down to 100m in some places due to the severe pollution"

Just like London used to be.

The Chinese Government have recently allocated significant funds to control pollution.

History suggests that all countries as they industrialise go through a polluting phase and as they mature more resources are used to improve the environment. Without the wealth being created then the Government would have no money to start improving things. Poor countries like many ex-Soviet have continued to be heavy polluters where they need the money from their heavy industries but the Governments lack the will and the means to tackle the undesirable side effects.

There are many left-wing anarchists groups in this country that hide under the Eco banner as part of their war on society. Fracking is the latest rent a mob target. Animal rights is another area where they are active.

People that disrupt in this way should IMHO be place on a remote Scottish Island and told to get on with it, without all of civilizations benefits. They would soon be running back to mummy and daddy once they realised how hard a life it is without the modern energy consuming machines we rely on to make our lives much easier and more productive.

Personally I couldn't agree more Rods2, but we are in a democracy so they have the 'right' to protest and put over their point of view, which now includes that from some "establishment" individuals.  This is where I say that democracy always will have the ability to destroy itself.

In my other words I say the greatest threat to democracy is democracy itself.[/b]

Unless you live in Egypt of course!!

Ah, but Democracy is in its infancy and will follow the pattern of all other current democratic countries that, like a child, will have to learn how to use it, whilst taking one step forward and two steps back. Democracy is like a fruit that has to ripen to full potential before it can be fully enjoyed and appreciated, but then the people have to decide if they want to grow that fruit again and continue to nurture it.  It takes time to learn!